Honestly, if he just gets a high end i5 the integrated can handle those games on mediumish settings. I've played GW 2 on midrange i5 ivy bridges on campus. Haswell integrated is several times more powerful.
It won't be gorgeous, but you can start gaming for 500 dollars very easily doing that these days. Then just throw in a 250-350 dollar card when you can/want and you can enjoy everything on nearly maximized settings.
Picking your parts:
[url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/7541/best-desktop-cpus-holiday-2013[/url]
[url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/8225/best-video-cards-june-2014[/url]
[url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/8260/best-ssds-july-2014[/url]
Going off that, you should get an i3-4330, an R7 265 or 750 Ti, and if you want an SSD (and you do, trust me) an 840 EVO or MX100. To finish it off, grab whatever motherboard has the right socket, ports and size you want, get a good case and PSU, a two-stick pack of RAM and a hard drive for whatever doesn't fit on the SSD.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;45555596]Honestly, if he just gets a high end i5 the integrated can handle those games on mediumish settings. I've played GW 2 on midrange i5 ivy bridges on campus. Haswell integrated is several times more powerful.
It won't be gorgeous, but you can start gaming for 500 dollars very easily doing that these days. Then just throw in a 250-350 dollar card when you can/want and you can enjoy everything on nearly maximized settings.[/QUOTE]
he mentioned skyrim, and the 4600 doesn't really do that well. I suppose it depends on what you can live with, but personally I wouldn't be able to play a game on all low with under 40fps on 1080p
[IMG]http://media.bestofmicro.com/S/5/376853/original/skyrim.png[/IMG]
Problem with Intel HD Graphics is that they're only designed to handle games on the current generation on medium-ish. They're not future proof at all and games released in the soon future will be barely playable.
My Nvidia gpu was thrown in a bin where I rescued it from being turned into scrap back in 2012. Still chugging along. Maybe I'll invest in a water block before upgrading...eventually.
However, I was seriously impressed by the gaming ability of my 3770k before I got my 760. With it BF4 was actually playable until the GPU came in.
[t]http://www.netswim.net/sharex/Steam_-_Update_News_2014-07-31_12-31-22.png[/t]
This is the most informative thing I've ever seen
Update of the year, all years
[QUOTE=lavacano;45555674][t]http://www.netswim.net/sharex/Steam_-_Update_News_2014-07-31_12-31-22.png[/t]
This is the most informative thing I've ever seen[/QUOTE]
Did you get that when registering gun monkeys? i did.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;45555702]Did you get that when registering gun monkeys? i did.[/QUOTE]
It was during one of the key redemptions I know that much
[editline]31st July 2014[/editline]
wonder if it's an old DLC sale announcement Valve never cleared or something
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45555773][IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/VyJDQE.jpg[/IMG]
Soon[/QUOTE]
i developed a weird twitch looking at this image and frankly i think i want to report you to the authorities
Brother bought a samsung DLP tv from a coworker a few months ago. The guy said it needed a new bulb, so my brother replaced it. Like a week later it started developing black and white spots on the screen. I looked up the issue and its like a $300 chip in the tv that has to be replaced. Turns out there was a class action lawsuit against samsung for this issue, and this tv is covered. Hopefully he doesnt have to provide proof of purchase, because samsung should fix it for free.
[T]http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m598/Awike1991/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140731_125050_zpsaiwhywqn.jpg[/t]
[editline]31st July 2014[/editline]
On hold, they'll pay for the part, but not the install. Whatever.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;45555702]Did you get that when registering gun monkeys? i did.[/QUOTE]
It's the Guest Pass/Gift window, it's because of the extra copy you receive when you redeem the key.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;45555538]AMD cards are a better idea if you're on a tight budget. Their drivers are just utterly useless though.[/QUOTE]
Drivers are good on both sides its more likley something to do with someones PC then the driver of the gpu.
Also there is the tought of for example a 290x having almost the same performance as an 780 ti.
But you pay for one less money than for the other one.
Look at Titan Z vs r9 295x2. Also Nvidia has always been the company that wants a little premium for their products. I have used 2 titans, HD 7950, R9 280x, R9 290, 2 780 ti's.
Even in the past where i had an ATI all in wonder card or a 6700 LE GTX 7900 i have never had driver issues with the gpus on, windows xp, vista ,windows 7 etc.
I for myself choose what is best for my money and don't care for Choosing only 1 Company, but from what i have experienced AMD seems to be more of an transparent Company.
I don't like the practices that Nvidia has done like : PhysX, Cuda, Titan, Titan Black, Titan Z.
After all it depends what you are going to do with your PC.
What features you are going to use Cuda, OpenCL. Shadowplay, DVR.
AMD's biggest problem at the moment is their CPU segment, as a Fx 8xxx is not any more competitive with the offerings of Intel. Their GPU segment has always done pretty good.
Who else is still rocking 1st gen i7/i5's?
I built my desktop in 2009 with an i7 920 (@ 4.0GHz w/ Noctua NH-D14) and 6 gig of ram
All I've done since is swap the AMD 4870 1GB for a GeForce GTX560Ti (in late 2012) and add a Samsung 830 250gb SSD. Well and add a few HDD's.
I can run most things at pretty high settings still and don't really have the funds to upgrade to a more recent socket and CPU with SATA3 and USB3 so I'm gonna hold off as long as I can. AFAIK the main thing seems to be the more recent Intel CPU's are much more power efficient and have smaller die sizes unless I'm missing something.
Thanks last console generation for lasting so long and sparing my shrunken wallet.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;45556117]Son?
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Frogpad_keyboard.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I found another distinct cousin:
[img]http://images.gizmag.com/hero/kee4.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45555773][IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/VyJDQE.jpg[/IMG]
Soon[/QUOTE]
Something like this should be outlawed by state and federal regulations ASAP.
[QUOTE=papkee;45555434]Here's a quick little lesson. Very brief and people will chime in with their own opinions.
nVidia = Quality at a cost [B] There is no difference in quallity, same goes for when you buy for example an Iphone 5S yeah there are going to be a lot that are fine but some people are gonna get an 5S that doesn't work.[/B]
AMD = cheap but run hotter and slightly less well built than nVidia[B] Run hot is such BS you probably don't remember the GTX 480 or the GTX 580? Of course is a GPU with a reference cooler hotter than one with a non reference one, also Nvidia has for the most part always had better reference coolers. Build quallity is the same [/B]
With nVidia, the last two numbers denote how good a GPU it is. For example a 760 is better than a 720. The first number is the series of GPU, and the higher the newer, and for the most part better. Eg, an 870 would be better than a 770.
[B]It's the same for AMD/ATI cards if you haven't noticed and i am able to see that on both NVDIA and AMD. R9 290 is better than a R9 280. Older cards before Hawaii were HD 7970 is better than a HD 7850 for example.[/B]
Other things to look for are the base clock and memory. Generally higher is better in these areas. You can always look up reviews and comparisons if you're unsure.
[B]You can't compare the clocks since they are a different Architecture.[/B]
All other questions can be answered in the PC Building Section.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;45556193]Who else is still rocking 1st gen i7/i5's?
I built my desktop in 2009 with an i7 920 (@ 4.0GHz w/ Noctua NH-D14) and 6 gig of ram
All I've done since is swap the AMD 4870 1GB for a GeForce GTX560Ti (in late 2012) and add a Samsung 830 250gb SSD. Well and add a few HDD's.
I can run most things at pretty high settings still and don't really have the funds to upgrade to a more recent socket and CPU with SATA3 and USB3 so I'm gonna hold off as long as I can. AFAIK the main thing seems to be the more recent Intel CPU's are much more power efficient and have smaller die sizes unless I'm missing something.
Thanks last console generation for lasting so long and sparing my shrunken wallet.[/QUOTE]
i7-965 Intel confidential ftw
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;45556193]Who else is still rocking 1st gen i7/i5's?
I built my desktop in 2009 with an i7 920 (@ 4.0GHz w/ Noctua NH-D14) and 6 gig of ram
All I've done since is swap the AMD 4870 1GB for a GeForce GTX560Ti (in late 2012) and add a Samsung 830 250gb SSD. Well and add a few HDD's.
I can run most things at pretty high settings still and don't really have the funds to upgrade to a more recent socket and CPU with SATA3 and USB3 so I'm gonna hold off as long as I can. AFAIK the main thing seems to be the more recent Intel CPU's are much more power efficient and have smaller die sizes unless I'm missing something.
Thanks last console generation for lasting so long and sparing my shrunken wallet.[/QUOTE]
Nearly half of the people I hung out with in the dorms are still rocking first generation i7s. They are absolute tanks. The only people who've upgraded have had to because of things like not having enough sata 3 ports, and it was effectively the same price to just get a new processor and modern motherboard then get a 400 dollar motherboard to support the stuff they wanted. Well that and the one guy who had a lightning strike.
Almost all of them have been running significant overclocks at voltages that would make ivy/haswell chips cry rivers of blood.
If you ask me, it has much less to do with consoles than the fact that that was the first real generation of processors where you could say "This is good enough." Outside of actual enthusiast use, I don't see those chips being too slow for general use in the next decade. System requirements for CPUs have plateaued, and there's very little reason to go significantly above that.
Intel realized that (along with realizing the mobile market was becoming a thing), and started working overtime to crush the power consumption of their chips . Personally? I'd prefer to blow the extra 60 watts under load and have something screaming at mach 7 than my 4.4GHz 4770k, but I'm still limited by my graphics card on nearly everything, so it ends up being a moot point.
I'd also personally prefer too have the overbuilt as fuck solder chips that I can abuse the living shit out of without fear, but that's a side issue.
Haha I don't have any SATA3 ports and I'm sure my Samsung 830 would perform better if I did but I'm not bothered by it enough to replace my motherboard and CPU. I could get one of those PCIe cards but meh...
I do have like 6 SATA2 ports all of which I'm currently using :) and a PATA DVD-RW
That's a good point, the chips were amazing for what they were when they first came out. I remember grappling over whether to spend out on an i7 or go for C2Q (this was before i5's even came out) or an equivalent AMD offering (these existed back then, oh shit things have changed). The i7 seemed like way overkill but I was at uni at the time and had full time summer work in a supermarket so the money was flowing. So glad I plumped the extra for the i7 rig now :)
Spent all day tearing down ancient systems, then had to clean all the procs off with alcohol. Sweet mother of god why are old cases so sharp? My hands still burn.
I have scars on both forearms from tearing apart old imacs. I also ruined one of my work shirts by covering it in blood.
[editline]31st July 2014[/editline]
I won that fight
[QUOTE=Del91;45555931]Brother bought a samsung DLP tv from a coworker a few months ago. The guy said it needed a new bulb, so my brother replaced it. Like a week later it started developing black and white spots on the screen. I looked up the issue and its like a $300 chip in the tv that has to be replaced. Turns out there was a class action lawsuit against samsung for this issue, and this tv is covered. Hopefully he doesnt have to provide proof of purchase, because samsung should fix it for free.
[T]http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m598/Awike1991/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140731_125050_zpsaiwhywqn.jpg[/t]
[editline]31st July 2014[/editline]
On hold, they'll pay for the part, but not the install. Whatever.[/QUOTE]
My Hitachi rear projection TV has a defective light engine. Something with a bad blue polarizer.
I remember trying to redeem in on the replacement program but the bitch on the other end of the Hitachi support line told me to get a new TV and hung up after I gave the model and serial number.
Still looks like there's a giant coffee ring on the screen.
From what I read, even if the light engine went out on your Samsung TV, if it wasn't specifically included in the class action you were boned/told to fuck off/etc.
[QUOTE=Del91;45557534]I have scars on both forearms from tearing apart old imacs. I also ruined one of my work shirts by covering it in blood.
[editline]31st July 2014[/editline]
I won that fight[/QUOTE]
Older all in one's are the worst. They were in no way designed to be taken apart.
guys holy fuck my computer now magically runs gta iv at 60fps very high settings with this new processor. I'm just like four years late but shit this is sweet
[QUOTE=papkee;45555517]That's more from just personal experience I suppose. A few of my friends have owned AMD GPUs and they didn't last too long. I've also known AMDs to just stop working, and I've had far fewer problems with nVidia.[/QUOTE]
My HD5770 from PowerColor that was purchased in summer 2010 still works fine.
My R9 270X that was purchased this summer still works fine.
When I upgraded, I gave the 5770 to my brother, so it's still under use, working fine.
way to go uplay for not having cloud saves for ass creed 4, lost 20 hours of gameplay. What year is it?
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