For fullscreen apps, the menu bar frequently does not appear when you go to the top of the screen. Safari's performance has been disgraceful, something which despite numerous performance updates, is still going on. The inertial scrolling seems a lot more haphazard than it was under SL. The general performance of everything I felt was a lot slower, which is one of the biggest factors in me moving to an SSD for my macbook. It really seems like thanks to the MBA being SSD only, Lion is really being aimed at SSDs
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;33759453]For fullscreen apps, the menu bar frequently does not appear when you go to the top of the screen. Safari's performance has been disgraceful, something which despite numerous performance updates, is still going on. The inertial scrolling seems a lot more haphazard than it was under SL. The general performance of everything I felt was a lot slower, which is one of the biggest factors in me moving to an SSD for my macbook. It really seems like thanks to the MBA being SSD only, Lion is really being aimed at SSDs[/QUOTE]
Since I'm assuming I'm getting a Mac Mini for Christmas, should I be worried about this since it will come with Lion?
[QUOTE=Dr. Deeps;33761436]Since I'm assuming I'm getting a Mac Mini for Christmas, should I be worried about this since it will come with Lion?[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.redmondpie.com/os-x-lion-vs-os-x-snow-leopard-head-to-head-performance-showdown/]Performance compared between the two isn't that much different[/url], and this is from July.
Edit:
The new mac mini design is pretty cool.
[QUOTE=Dr. Deeps;33761436]Since I'm assuming I'm getting a Mac Mini for Christmas, should I be worried about this since it will come with Lion?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely not. Lion runs fantastic and I personally prefer it over Snow Leopard.
Awesome!
And yeah, that new Mac Mini is fucking sleek as hell.
[QUOTE=Ragy;33762782]Absolutely not. Lion runs fantastic and I personally prefer it over Snow Leopard.[/QUOTE]
Why do you prefer it over Snow Leopard? I want to be convinced since it's newer, but it feels less like a desktop OS.
I couldn't live without mission control and launchpad after using Lion, i just love how much control you have over the OS buy just using the touchpad!
I should say I do like some of the features in Lion. Full screen mode is a lot more useful than I was expecting (though it does ruin drag and drop), the new Mail is nice. Document autosaving is great (not so sold on the auto restore and automatic quitting, which only seems to work on Preview anyway). it's just a few features aren't quite good enough. Some things are unavoidable, like the session resuming after you have rebooted. With a (slow laptop) HDD, once Lion itself has loaded, you can be waiting a long time for all your apps to be ready and open (just due to the nature of a HDD)
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;33765252]I should say I do like some of the features in Lion. Full screen mode is a lot more useful than I was expecting (though it does ruin drag and drop), [B]the new Mail[/B] is nice. Document autosaving is great (not so sold on the auto restore and automatic quitting, which only seems to work on Preview anyway). it's just a few features aren't quite good enough. Some things are unavoidable, like the session resuming after you have rebooted. With a (slow laptop) HDD, once Lion itself has loaded, you can be waiting a long time for all your apps to be ready and open (just due to the nature of a HDD)[/QUOTE]
God I want this so bad for Windows.
I got my first Mac today and it's a 13,3" Macbook Pro. I mainly got it becuase it was cheaper than usual, and I've wanted a laptop for a long time. Not the fastest model really, but it suits me for what I intended to do with it. I still have my stationary PC for the heavier stuff.
[QUOTE=ShinyChrome;33773609]I got my first Mac today and it's a 13,3" Macbook Pro. I mainly got it becuase it was cheaper than usual, and I've wanted a laptop for a long time. Not the fastest model really, but it suits me for what I intended to do with it. I still have my stationary PC for the heavier stuff.[/QUOTE]
I wish I would've gone with your mindset, I went all "hurp durp must get 17" ", and now I have this gargantuan thing that doesn't fit in my backpack without some force. The upside is that there's more screen space, but it's a laptop so it's not really necessary.
And it weighs a million pounds, so when I try to rest it on my knees it slides down to my waist.
[QUOTE=ShinyChrome;33773609]I got my first Mac today and it's a 13,3" Macbook Pro. I mainly got it becuase it was cheaper than usual, and I've wanted a laptop for a long time. Not the fastest model really, but it suits me for what I intended to do with it. I still have my stationary PC for the heavier stuff.[/QUOTE]
What are your first impressions of the thing? I'm looking at that model for my college laptop since I can't take my gaming rig with me to college.
[QUOTE=Dr. Deeps;33775284]What are your first impressions of the thing? I'm looking at that model for my college laptop since I can't take my gaming rig with me to college.[/QUOTE]
I'm really used to Windows since I've had it for years, but this Macbook is kinda neat for the basic stuff so far. The building quality is nice (No cheap plastic feel at all) but the downside with this model is that the screen resolution is kinda low (1280x800 or so) and it only have integrated graphics. So it's not really suitable for gaming. It's okay for me, since my intentions with the Macbook was to learn the OS (I work as a Support Tech, so it's good to know more about OSX), do simple stuff with it (Movies, music, browsing, webdesign stuff, the usual).
TL;DR: The quality is nice. It's a toy for me, but pretty basic. No hardcore performance.
Why did you get a 13 inch MacBook Pro instead of the 13 inch MacBook Air? The Air even has a higher screen resolution
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;33779310]Why did you get a 13 inch MacBook Pro instead of the 13 inch MacBook Air? The Air even has a higher screen resolution[/QUOTE]
Becuase the Air one was out of stock, more expensive and I find it generally ugly.
Found a nice solution to my Macbook Pro sleeping problem. It would take about 15 seconds to sleep, so I couldn't move my laptop till then. This was because the RAM contents are written to disk for safety in case the battery completely depleted. To fix this, you can use:
[code]sudo pmset -a hibernatemode 0[/code]
#0 is to only save workspace to RAM and not write to hard-disk, making it far quicker. #3 is Smartsleep, default, so it writes to hard-disk.
After doing this, my Macbook Pro sleeps within two seconds. It also puts less abuse on the hard-drive, since many times I accidently move it before sleeping. Just make sure not to let your battery drain down in mode 0.
I have an Apple desktop now that was given to me to go along with my Windows PC for gaming but I only use the Mac for my Adobe software.
Personally I wouldn't do the whole "I got a Macbook just for email, facebook, browsing, and etc." because from my experience it's not any different and it doesn't make much sense to buy a more expensive laptop to do something that a cheapo POS laptop could do just as well.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;33789339]I have an Apple desktop now that was given to me to go along with my Windows PC for gaming but I only use the Mac for my Adobe software.
Personally I wouldn't do the whole "I got a Macbook just for email, facebook, browsing, and etc." because from my experience it's not any different and it doesn't make much sense to buy a more expensive laptop to do something that a cheapo POS laptop could do just as well.[/QUOTE]
There was a quote from Stephen Fry from the documentary The Billion Dollar Hippy who was asked this same question. He explained it simply and better than I ever could, and I agree with him.
Interviewer
“There are a lot of people that actually when you compare the Apple product which the functional equivalent…”
Fry interrupts passionately
“But the functionality is not the point…
Interviewer continuing
“…you see that it’s more style over substance”
Stephen Fry interrupts even more passionately.
"No, no no you could not be more wrong. I wouldn’t wish to be rude to you but it is. It is astonishing to think that in the 21st century people still think there is a distinction between style and substance. The two are not the same. The better it looks the more you want to use it the more function you get out of it anyway."
It makes much more sense if you watch the whole documentary. Thinking about it, he's obviously right, as Apple got to be one of the largest companies by designing products people want to and enjoy using.
[QUOTE=Ragy;33791700]There was a quote from Stephen Fry from the documentary The Billion Dollar Hippy who was asked this same question. He explained it simply and better than I ever could, and I agree with him.
Interviewer
“There are a lot of people that actually when you compare the Apple product which the functional equivalent…”
Fry interrupts passionately
“But the functionality is not the point…
Interviewer continuing
“…you see that it’s more style over substance”
Stephen Fry interrupts even more passionately.
"No, no no you could not be more wrong. I wouldn’t wish to be rude to you but it is. It is astonishing to think that in the 21st century people still think there is a distinction between style and substance. The two are not the same. The better it looks the more you want to use it the more function you get out of it anyway."
It makes much more sense if you watch the whole documentary. Thinking about it, he's obviously right, as Apple got to be one of the largest companies by designing products people want to and enjoy using.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that really applies though since your email, Facebook, whatever still looks the same regardless of the laptop you're using. Or maybe it's just me that it doesn't have that effect on.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;33791911]I don't think that really applies though since your email, Facebook, whatever still looks the same regardless of the laptop you're using. Or maybe it's just me that it doesn't have that effect on.[/QUOTE]
The whole experience of the device you're using it on makes a difference. This idea applies on almost everything, like watches, phones, TVs, houses, vehicles, etc... They all do the 'same thing,' as in each category, but each product has its own design and experience that comes along with it. It's the reason we as consumers choose to pick one product over another, even when they do the exact same thing. There is a reason we do this and Apple has mastered that by creating products that fulfill the, for the lack of a better word, human experience and not just the functionality.
[QUOTE=Ragy;33792506]The whole experience of the device you're using it on makes a difference. This idea applies on almost everything, like watches, phones, TVs, houses, vehicles, etc... They all do the 'same thing,' as in each category, but each product has its own design and experience that comes along with it. It's the reason we as consumers choose to pick one product over another, even when they do the exact same thing. There is a reason we do this and Apple has mastered that by creating products that fulfill the, for the lack of a better word, human experience and not just the functionality.[/QUOTE]
More expensive watches, phones, TVs, houses, vehicles and etc. all cost more because they do something extra that people want.
Apple's products only difference is that it has an Apple logo and costs more and many people have this mindset of "this costs more so it must be much better. The same reason people use programs like Norton when there are cheaper, better options. It's like people get some sort of glorification out of it because of the price.
That's not entirely true. I got one for free, and I still enjoy using it. It's just the substance of the thing.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;33793554]More expensive watches, phones, TVs, houses, vehicles and etc. all cost more because they do something extra that people want.
Apple's products only difference is that it has an Apple logo and costs more and many people have this mindset of "this costs more so it must be much better. The same reason people use programs like Norton when there are cheaper, better options. It's like people get some sort of glorification out of it because of the price.[/QUOTE]
Or that they see the difference between the products that justifies the price. I saw the TV show in question (for those in the UK/can access iPlayer it's here [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b018ct00/Steve_Jobs_Billion_Dollar_Hippy/[/url]) and I also really loved Fry's remark. You say that when it comes to using websites, any laptop will work the exact same and it doesn't matter. But it DOES matter. You interact with the website through the same laptop you are marginalising. Without the laptop, you wouldn't have the website in the first place. You want the laptop to work as well as possible, to allow you to get on with doing other things (even if it is just looking at Facebook). A computer is a tool, and the better the tool, the more productive you can be. Apple chooses to sell better tools, at the expense of price. You might not appreciate that Apple choose to target the higher end of the market (with a price to match) and think that the quality difference is not enough to justify the price, but to say there is no difference is just silly.
I would rather a Mac over my PC but I cant afford one :(
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;33797470]Or that they see the difference between the products that justifies the price. I saw the TV show in question (for those in the UK/can access iPlayer it's here [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b018ct00/Steve_Jobs_Billion_Dollar_Hippy/[/url]) and I also really loved Fry's remark. You say that when it comes to using websites, any laptop will work the exact same and it doesn't matter. But it DOES matter. You interact with the website through the same laptop you are marginalising. Without the laptop, you wouldn't have the website in the first place. You want the laptop to work as well as possible, to allow you to get on with doing other things (even if it is just looking at Facebook). A computer is a tool, and the better the tool, the more productive you can be. Apple chooses to sell better tools, at the expense of price. You might not appreciate that Apple choose to target the higher end of the market (with a price to match) and think that the quality difference is not enough to justify the price, but to say there is no difference is just silly.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what kind of Mac you use, but mine doesn't function any better for stuff like that than anybody's Windows laptop.
Only difference is again, the logo on the back and the price.
I bought a Macbook air for school and holy fuck it is smooth. I always have tons of applications running and tabs open and it still runs smoothly. Windows on the same spec'd laptop would be very laggy.
Also, the touchpad on mac is amazing and smooth. I can't even use a Windows laptop touchpad now.
I still use my Windows powerhouse at home, but for school, I think there is no comparison between a Windows laptop and a Mac laptop.
I really don't care about the differences between. In my eyes, a laptop is a laptop. If it works, and it works well, I'm happy. My Macbook just happens to work well. So does my Windows laptop, although it's currently a RAID controller for my fileserver.
The difference, or at least the main difference, is the build quality, the OS, and, of course, the brand. Despite what others may say, those are actually very important. My 2006 Macbook Pro is running Lion faster than a Windows laptop of the same spec would run Windows 7, so there is something to be said about compatibility. I think, in my humble opinion, Apple products seem to last longer than their windows counterparts.
Personally, I don't have a preference. Apple's still a little too expensive for my tastes, so I was very lucky indeed to get a macbook for free. That said, if I'm ever in a position where I can buy another Macbook, I certainly will consider the idea.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;33797860]I don't know what kind of Mac you use, but mine doesn't function any better for stuff like that than anybody's Windows laptop.
Only difference is again, the logo on the back and the price.[/QUOTE]
I've got a old (ish) bottom of the range MBP, and even though my PC is at least twice as fast CPU wise (2.26GHz C2D vs 2.4GHz C2Q), web browsing alone is so much nicer on OS X, mostly due to the inertial scrolling and the two finger swipes back and forth between pages. On top of that, the built in PDF reader is nice, as my keyboard shortcut to launch webpages that contain Flash in Chrome. I can't do anything like that on my PC.
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;33804083]I've got a old (ish) bottom of the range MBP, and even though my PC is at least twice as fast CPU wise (2.26GHz C2D vs 2.4GHz C2Q), web browsing alone is so much nicer on OS X, mostly due to the inertial scrolling and the two finger swipes back and forth between pages. On top of that, the built in PDF reader is nice, as my keyboard shortcut to launch webpages that contain Flash in Chrome. I can't do anything like that on my PC.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty darn sure you can find some smooth scrolling and things like that. Gestures depend on the laptop, though.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;33808419]I'm pretty darn sure you can find some smooth scrolling and things like that. Gestures depend on the laptop, though.[/QUOTE]
Well i had a dell at one point that tried to do gestures on the touchpad, and it did not work at all, sometimes it wouldn't scroll then suddenly i would be at the bottom of the page. and it had an annoying habit of zooming in and out randomly.
So yes they try to have things like that, but they don't work and the MBP and MBA have much larger touchpads than all other laptops so it works perfectly.
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