• Did you switch over from Windows?
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[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;33808419]I'm pretty darn sure you can find some smooth scrolling and things like that. Gestures depend on the laptop, though.[/QUOTE] Smooth scrolling is not the same as inertial scrolling. But yes that seemingly every web browser on OS X supports some sort of smooth scrolling is nice too.
[QUOTE=Cyanogen;33810362][b]Well i had a dell at one point[/b] that tried to do gestures on the touchpad, and it did not work at all, sometimes it wouldn't scroll then suddenly i would be at the bottom of the page. and it had an annoying habit of zooming in and out randomly. So yes they try to have things like that, but they don't work and the MBP and MBA have much larger touchpads than all other laptops so it works perfectly.[/QUOTE] You lost me here, really. I haven't seen gestures implemented as much as on Apple laptops, but I've seen fairly nice gestures on other laptops.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;33814213]You lost me here, really. I haven't seen gestures implemented as much as on Apple laptops, but I've seen fairly nice gestures on other laptops.[/QUOTE] Apples gestures blend very well into the systems work environment, creating a very smooth and satisfying flow. Honestly, unless you've ever used an Apple laptop for an extended work period, relying on it, you can't criticize it. I've been a very long user of Windows and still am, but OSX triumphs over Windows on laptops. I've used and owned countless laptops and netbooks running Windows and none of them ever had that seamless integration between hardware and software as Apple does. Whenever using a friends laptop running Windows, I'm amazed how far different it is from OSX, the clunky window management to the plastic creaking exterior, and how I use to ignorantly argue how horrible and overpriced Apple laptops are.
[QUOTE=Ragy;33815245]Apples gestures blend very well into the systems work environment, creating a very smooth and satisfying flow. Honestly, unless you've ever used an Apple laptop for an extended work period, relying on it, you can't criticize it. I've been a very long user of Windows and still am, but OSX triumphs over Windows on laptops. I've used and owned countless laptops and netbooks running Windows and none of them ever had that seamless integration between hardware and software as Apple does. Whenever using a friends laptop running Windows, I'm amazed how far different it is from OSX, the clunky window management to the plastic creaking exterior, and how I use to ignorantly argue how horrible and overpriced Apple laptops are.[/QUOTE] Cool, I don't really care. Neither did I in any way criticize Apple in the post before this one, and I really wasn't trying to spark anything, if it seemed as such.
Apple's only really ramped up their hardware/software integration just recently, though. Lest we not forget, before 2007, "gestures" and such were relatively unheard of in OS X. Wasn't until iOS that they considered them.
[QUOTE=woolio1;33817321]Apple's only really ramped up their hardware/software integration just recently, though. Lest we not forget, before 2007, "gestures" and such were relatively unheard of in OS X. Wasn't until iOS that they considered them.[/QUOTE] The 2006 Macbook's also features two finger scrolling, tapping and *maybe* pinch to zoom. I'm not sure about the latter, but it definitely did the first two, and the third seems like an obvious next step. I agree that gestures are far more prolific now than before, but it's newer than 2007 (and even then, 2007 was almost 5 years ago now). What I find remarkable, with no intended trolling joking etc, is that most laptops that are notable enough to be reviewed on tech blogs (the new ultrabook craze is the most recent example), a hell of a lot of the machines still butcher two finger gestures, or sometimes nail the gestures but ruin the trackpad for normal pointing and clicking. I don't understand a) how it can remain this much of a problem or b) why these laptops are even shipped where one of the core input methods is flaky as hell.
I think we'll have to wait for Windows 8 for Microsoft to step up their multi-touch game. Leaving it up to the manufacturer makes it a lot more sketchy experience.
I found Windows 8 horrible! I would happily transfer over to OSX if W8 takes over, its made for touch screen and nothing else.
What is it with Windows 8 and Lion both copying things from their mobile devices? Windows 8's stat menu just looks like WP7 blown up onto a large screen! You don't have to use launchpad in Lion if you don't want to so that's no big deal, i just hope we get a choice of a classic start menu.
[QUOTE=Cyanogen;33820811]What is it with Windows 8 and Lion both copying things from their mobile devices? Windows 8's stat menu just looks like WP7 blown up onto a large screen! You don't have to use launchpad in Lion if you don't want to so that's no big deal, i just hope we get a choice of a classic start menu.[/QUOTE] Both companies are trying to make their mobile and desktop operation systems more connected.
For school I needed to run Mac specific programs, and being the cheap bastard I am, I built a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSx86]Hackintosh[/url] and am now dual booting Snow Leopard and Widnows 7. I like to use Windows more though, mainly because I just like the interface better and I grew up using it.
[QUOTE=Flem;33820693]I found Windows 8 horrible! I would happily transfer over to OSX if W8 takes over, its made for touch screen and nothing else.[/QUOTE] I personally have a different experience, and I prefer it hugely on my laptop. I don't use it on my desktop, partly because I can't be bothered, and partly because I want to wait for the beta. To each his own, I guess.
Just a quick question, I have a very low 'income' (allowance) and saving it all up, I'd be able to afford a lower-end MacBook Pro by August. I rarely play video games any more, and when I do I stick to older games such as CS:S. My question is, in your opinion do you think spending £1000 is worth the OSX experience?
[QUOTE=Jasun;33827926]Just a quick question, I have a very low 'income' (allowance) and saving it all up, I'd be able to afford a lower-end MacBook Pro by August. I rarely play video games any more, and when I do I stick to older games such as CS:S. My question is, in your opinion do you think spending £1000 is worth the OSX experience?[/QUOTE] I don't know. I'd have a hard time spending that, but I have a hard time spending anything over $300. I'd say if you really want it, then go for it. I'd also advise getting something a bit older, or perhaps used, if you want to save a bit of cash. Does Apple still sell refurbished Macbooks?
[QUOTE=woolio1;33828017]I don't know. I'd have a hard time spending that, but I have a hard time spending anything over $300. I'd say if you really want it, then go for it. I'd also advise getting something a bit older, or perhaps used, if you want to save a bit of cash. Does Apple still sell refurbished Macbooks?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't want used, if I'm going to be spending that much money I'd want it to last as long as possible really. However if they sell refurbished I'd be happy to buy one of those. What appeals to me about MacBooks is that they last for so long, and they look outstanding. I haven't really came across any good looking windows laptops, and they tend to die on me after a year or so.
[QUOTE=Jasun;33827926]Just a quick question, I have a very low 'income' (allowance) and saving it all up, I'd be able to afford a lower-end MacBook Pro by August. I rarely play video games any more, and when I do I stick to older games such as CS:S. My question is, in your opinion do you think spending £1000 is worth the OSX experience?[/QUOTE] Absolutely. I switched to OSX about a year ago and haven't looked back since. If you think you'll want to spend a lot of time tinkering with and upgrading the hardware, or do a lot of gaming, then stick with a Windows based PC. But if you want an amazing personal computing experience that you won't get anywhere else, get a Mac.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;33829409]Absolutely. I switched to OSX about a year ago and haven't looked back since. If you think you'll want to spend a lot of time tinkering with and upgrading the hardware, or do a lot of gaming, then stick with a Windows based PC. But if you want an amazing personal computing experience that you won't get anywhere else, get a Mac.[/QUOTE] Out of curiosity, why else would one do a lot of tinkering or hardware upgrading aside from gaming?
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41117338/expensivebook.png[/img] Is the 2.8GHz really worth the extra £280? Would I see any noticeable performance or is it just a tactic to get people to fork out more money?
[QUOTE=Jasun;33830372][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41117338/expensivebook.png[/img] Is the 2.8GHz really worth the extra £280? Would I see any noticeable performance or is it just a tactic to get people to fork out more money?[/QUOTE] Well the i7 is better and slightly faster than an i5 but at the end of the day its still dual core so you'd be better off getting the standard 2.4 and buying a SSD for it and maybe ram if you are doing media work as you are all ready getting student discount.
Yeah, actually I've been looking online and apparently the 2010 MBP totally outperforms the 2011 in terms of graphics. Would it be possible to swap out a hard drive for an SSD on the 2010 one?
[QUOTE=Jasun;33831166]Yeah, actually I've been looking online and apparently the 2010 MBP totally outperforms the 2011 in terms of graphics. Would it be possible to swap out a hard drive for an SSD on the 2010 one?[/QUOTE] If you are after graphics get a 15 inch, 13 inch MBP are not really for games and you are losing out on newer hardware.
Wouldn't really be playing many games, just casual less demanding ones such as CS:S or Half Life. I don't have much of a budget anyway (pretty much non-existent at moment, I'll probably be getting it in April/May), and £1000 is already pushing it.
[QUOTE=Jasun;33831282]Wouldn't really be playing many games, just casual less demanding ones such as CS:S or Half Life. I don't have much of a budget anyway (pretty much non-existent at moment, I'll probably be getting it in April/May), and £1000 is already pushing it.[/QUOTE] What do you need a mac for anyway? If you just want one for the sake of it then its a waste of money.
Because I doubt my desktop will last much longer, and I'd rather have a laptop than a desktop. I'm fed up of windows fucking up every 2 seconds, and also I'm doing A-level media, and will need to be doing a lot of film editing etc.
I do a media diploma so we are in the same sort of area but If you want to do alot of final cut work I take it, after effects etc get the 15 inch for added screen space, quad core and buy a SSD. It would also run your games without a problem as it has a 512mb card so it would be fairly decent.
Ok, thanks for the help :)
I'm forgetting, does OS X support TRIM or associated "Rubbish clean-up" for SSDs in Lion? Reason I ask is because the Macbook Air is the first Apple laptop to have an SSD, and it would decrease the lifespan by a matter of years if it didn't have some form of cleaning system.
[QUOTE=Jasun;33831453]Because I doubt my desktop will last much longer, and I'd rather have a laptop than a desktop. I'm fed up of windows fucking up every 2 seconds, and also I'm doing A-level media, and will need to be doing a lot of film editing etc.[/QUOTE] Unless you're going into college or some field where computer portability is required, I wouldn't recommend investing so much into a machine. Anyway, if you're going to get one, I would recommend the 15-inch screen with high resolution gloss. Don't upgrade RAM or SSD from Apple, as it's far cheaper to do it yourself. I wouldn't worry about upgrading the components though, as it works fantastic out of the box already.
[QUOTE=woolio1;33834705]I'm forgetting, does OS X support TRIM or associated "Rubbish clean-up" for SSDs in Lion? Reason I ask is because the Macbook Air is the first Apple laptop to have an SSD, and it would decrease the lifespan by a matter of years if it didn't have some form of cleaning system.[/QUOTE] OS X 10.6.something and 10.7+ support TRIM, but only with Apple branded SSDs (so SSDs that ship inside Apple machines. If you want TRIM support for an SSD you install yourself (as I did a week ago since I just upgraded to an SSD), you have to dick about in Terminal (or get an app called TRIM enabler). So it is possible, but annoying. At the very least a MBA will support TRIM out the box (You can check this in System Information -> Serial-ATA -> the drive in question. There will be a "TRIM support" field saying Yes or No).
I used it briefly on a VM, dident care for the buy updates feature.
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