General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Install Arch
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Latest version of fglrx doesn't work properly with my 5770, and the open-source drivers are worthless in 3D performance.
There's no point in defending it, GPUs are a fucking mess in Linux because of how closed they are.
[QUOTE=nikomo;38869131]Latest version of fglrx doesn't work properly with my 5770, and the open-source drivers are worthless in 3D performance.
There's no point in defending it, GPUs are a fucking mess in Linux because of how closed they are.[/QUOTE]
It's really such a shame. I'm glad both AMD and Nvidia are still contributing a little to the open source drivers, though I would LOVE for the drivers to be ONLY open source. I can see the problem being patents and shit, but still.
[QUOTE=nikomo;38869131]Latest version of fglrx doesn't work properly with my 5770, and the open-source drivers are worthless in 3D performance.
There's no point in defending it, GPUs are a fucking mess in Linux because of how closed they are.[/QUOTE]
last I was aware AMD drivers were terrible in Windows too
plus can't you go back a version if the latest fucks up?
Some really propietary stuff doesn't work too well in Linux.
Of course, if it's that proprietary you shouldn't be using it unless you have to anyway.
[QUOTE=lavacano;38869256]last I was aware AMD drivers were terrible in Windows too
plus can't you go back a version if the latest fucks up?[/QUOTE]
They have always worked fine for me in windows, linux is a disaster in comparison.
[QUOTE=nikomo;38869131]Latest version of fglrx doesn't work properly with my 5770, and the open-source drivers are worthless in 3D performance.
There's no point in defending it, GPUs are a fucking mess in Linux because of how closed they are.[/QUOTE]
"Doesn't work properly"?
[QUOTE=danharibo;38869365]"Doesn't work properly"?[/QUOTE]
Shit performance, likes the crash whenever the correct planets, stars and fart-particles align etc., weird untraceable bugs.
fglrx still doesn't work with Mutter, and it's AMD's fault, not the team's fault who's working on Mutter.
The only reason GNOME Shell works with fglrx is because fglrx is applying application-specific workarounds in that case, but anything else that uses the library (like elementaryOS) just lags like hell randomly or crashes.
frglx is a mess, I hope I never have to deal with it again
I'm still going to be stuck with AMD for probably another 2-3 years, unless I suddenly grow brains and save up some money.
I never understood why GPU drivers always had to have workarounds for each game ever released.
In an ideal world everyone would use the same standard for everything, there would be no performance issues and nothing would ever break.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;38870907]In an ideal world everyone would use the same standard for everything, there would be no performance issues and nothing would ever break.[/QUOTE]
I think everyone using open systems would be a REALLY good start towards something much more ideal than the shitstorm that is proprietary software and patents.
Proprietary software can work just as much as open-source software can work, don't kid yourself.
[editline]18th December 2012[/editline]
Patents are totally unrelated.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;38871058]
Patents are totally unrelated.[/QUOTE]
Software patents are utter bullshit, though. They just don't work.
With luck the next release of fglrx should be improved since Valve have been in touch with them at least.
But i'm not holding my breath.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;38870771]I never understood why GPU drivers always had to have workarounds for each game ever released.[/QUOTE]
So they can parcel out a constant flow of FPS increases.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combina...
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;38875653]I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combina...[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=TheTailor25;38875653]I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combina...[/QUOTE]
So you are saying that I can't call my peanut butter on toast "toast"?
Because that would obviously imply that I was eating toasted bread with nothing on it.
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;38875653]I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. [B]Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux[/B], and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combina...[/QUOTE]
"A peculiar turn of event" Sorry RMS, just because nobody gives a shit you guys wrote GNU coreutils and you're butthurt about it doesn't make it peculiar that we don't twist our entire fucking jaw to pronounce our OSes name.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;38875824]So you are saying that I can't call my peanut butter on toast "toast"?
Because that would obviously imply that I was eating toasted bread with nothing on it.[/QUOTE]
I think the point is that if 99% of people eating toast were eating peanut butter'd toast, it'd be more accurate to call it that than to purposely ignore the peanut butter part.
But it's a shitty analogy, and I'm sure you knew when you wrote it.
I happened to be eating peanut butter on toast at the time, hence the shitty analogy.
[QUOTE=TheTailor25;38875653]I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combina...[/QUOTE]
not only is that old (and has been hellishly old even when I made it one of my /etc/motd files a while back), but it isn't even relevant to any discussion topic at hand
So how do you have IE running on Linux lavacano? Just through wine?
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
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I see.
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I've been looking for a distro for a bit now, and I wanted to make a good decision. Here were my demands:
- easy enough to use. I don't mind a terminal, but gentoo is too much effort, I don't have time for that.
- rolling release: I can't be fucked to update every six months.
- not Arch: you stabbed me in the back just once too often.
I downloaded debian at first, but it supported almost none of my drivers. Then I tried Linux mint debian edition (lmde)
I just used it to move a partition which was in the middle of my free space, but I think I prefer it above debian. Besides, it's rolling release and it doesn't have the ubuntu bloat. I have yet to install it, but what do you think of my decision.
Rolling-release debian derivative?
How does that even work, Debian package management isn't exactly designed for rolling-release
[QUOTE=esalaka;38892439]Rolling-release debian derivative?
How does that even work, Debian package management isn't exactly designed for rolling-release[/QUOTE]
Debian sid is technically rolling but packages break constantly
Isn't debian testing rolling release?
What should I use for audio mixing input/output in linux?
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;38892460]Debian sid is technically rolling but packages break constantly[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah Debian proper just uses the same name for the repository constantly, right.
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