General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Install Arch
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[QUOTE=FPtje;38892316]I've been looking for a distro for a bit now, and I wanted to make a good decision. Here were my demands:
- easy enough to use. I don't mind a terminal, but gentoo is too much effort, I don't have time for that.
- rolling release: I can't be fucked to update every six months.
- not Arch: you stabbed me in the back just once too often.
I downloaded debian at first, but it supported almost none of my drivers. Then I tried Linux mint debian edition (lmde)
I just used it to move a partition which was in the middle of my free space, but I think I prefer it above debian. Besides, it's rolling release and it doesn't have the ubuntu bloat. I have yet to install it, but what do you think of my decision.[/QUOTE]
From the perspective of an Arch user ( I've never used anything else ) your demands appear as follows:
I want A.
I want B.
I refuse to use A+B.
I suppose "easy to use" is subjective, but since when is Arch brain surgery?
In fact, because you set most of it up yourself, when you want to make changes you already know what to do.
Try a LFS install w/ jhalfs.
[QUOTE=FPtje;38892316]I've been looking for a distro for a bit now, and I wanted to make a good decision. Here were my demands:
- easy enough to use. I don't mind a terminal, but gentoo is too much effort, I don't have time for that.
- rolling release: I can't be fucked to update every six months.
- not Arch: you stabbed me in the back just once too often.
I downloaded debian at first, but it supported almost none of my drivers. Then I tried Linux mint debian edition (lmde)
I just used it to move a partition which was in the middle of my free space, but I think I prefer it above debian. Besides, it's rolling release and it doesn't have the ubuntu bloat. I have yet to install it, but what do you think of my decision.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to recommend Sabayon, as I've done many times before. I'm so happy with it, it's a rolling release system with "releases" every 4 months or so. It should be really easy to get working, is based on Gentoo (and supports Portage as well as their own Binary package manager), so you'll hopefully have no trouble getting it to work. I'd say give it a shot on an experimental system or something.
[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;38892941]From the perspective of an Arch user ( I've never used anything else ) your demands appear as follows:
I want A.
I want B.
I refuse to use A+B.
I suppose "easy to use" is subjective, but since when is Arch brain surgery?
In fact, because you set most of it up yourself, when you want to make changes you already know what to do.[/QUOTE]
Arch is not too difficult, and it would be good enough if it didn't fucking break every couple of months because they decided that /lib should be a god damn symlink to /usr/lib. Arch broke on me too often up to the point where I was afraid to update it the day before a deadline. It's ridiculous. I've had times where every kernel update broke my init scripts, so after every update mkinitcpio silently failed. I had to run arch from an usb stick, chroot into my system and rebuild the init scripts to get my laptop to fucking boot. Then after a while it magically fixed itself. I had things like this all the fucking time.
Debian testing is rolling release. Lmde is based on debian. I might look into sabayon, thanks for the tip.
I'm pretty sure the Gentoo LiveDVD has a graphical installer nowadays
it seems fairly easy to automate if you use genkernel
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
of course i don't actually use the thing so it's more than likely i'm talking out of my ass again
[QUOTE=FPtje;38896842]Arch is not too difficult, and it would be good enough if it didn't fucking break every couple of months because they decided that /lib should be a god damn symlink to /usr/lib. Arch broke on me too often up to the point where I was afraid to update it the day before a deadline. It's ridiculous. I've had times where every kernel update broke my init scripts, so after every update mkinitcpio silently failed. I had to run arch from an usb stick, chroot into my system and rebuild the init scripts to get my laptop to fucking boot. Then after a while it magically fixed itself. I had things like this all the fucking time.
Debian testing is rolling release. Lmde is based on debian. I might look into sabayon, thanks for the tip.[/QUOTE]
I understand, but why update before a deadline then? And I'm not sure if it is a consolation but initscripts are toast now. As you said, having an arch recovery usb is a good idea, and I've never had an issue which it could not readily fix. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but I enjoy Arch so much I find it difficult to see its flaws :v:
[QUOTE=lavacano;38897910]I'm pretty sure the Gentoo LiveDVD has a graphical installer nowadays
it seems fairly easy to automate if you use genkernel
[editline]19th December 2012[/editline]
of course i don't actually use the thing so it's more than likely i'm talking out of my ass again[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the Gentoo installation: To become familiar 100% with your installed system?
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;38898609]Wouldn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the Gentoo installation: To become familiar 100% with your installed system?[/QUOTE]
I don't know about you but I usually install operating systems to have an operating system
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;38898877]I don't know about you but I usually install operating systems to have an operating system[/QUOTE]
Have you ever used Gentoo? It's all about building stuff from source.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;38898953]Have you ever used Gentoo? It's all about building stuff from source.[/QUOTE]
if you automated the process you'd still be building shit from source
only instead of "oh god fucking config files aahg i have to waaiiit fuck now i have to do more" it's just "alright, need to tick a bunch of boxes, and alright this is gonna take a long time might as well visit Facepunch for a while"
[QUOTE=lavacano;38899286]if you automated the process you'd still be building shit from source
only instead of "oh god fucking config files aahg i have to waaiiit fuck now i have to do more" it's just [b]"alright, need to tick a bunch of boxes, and alright this is gonna take a long time might as well visit Facepunch for a while"[/b][/QUOTE]
But that's pretty much what it already is to compile a kernel. The rest of the setup is just partitioning, downloading the base system, and .. That's it. I'm sure there's some installer scripts around, and someone probably made a custom Anaconda config for it, but it's just about as easy already.
I have yet to successfully compile a kernel without using genkernel :v:
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;38899827]But that's pretty much what it already is to compile a kernel. The rest of the setup is just partitioning, downloading the base system, and .. That's it. I'm sure there's some installer scripts around, and someone probably made a custom Anaconda config for it, but it's just about as easy already.[/QUOTE]
it's easier and faster to use genkernel all though, don't even have to tick anything unless you specify menuconfig
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;38895289]I'm going to recommend Sabayon, as I've done many times before. I'm so happy with it, it's a rolling release system with "releases" every 4 months or so. It should be really easy to get working, is based on Gentoo (and supports Portage as well as their own Binary package manager), so you'll hopefully have no trouble getting it to work. I'd say give it a shot on an experimental system or something.[/QUOTE]
I just tested the live cd. It's looking very interesting. I like the idea of postage mixed with their own package manager. It looks like it's more up to date than debian testing as well. Thanks a lot for the tip.
Edit: Just installed Sabayon. It pissed me off right off the bat, though. The live USB booted fine, but after the installation, booting failed. It would boot up to (almost) GNOME. I'd see my GNOME styled cursor on a black screen, but it just froze.
Booting in recovery worked though, and when I tried to boot again while switching TTY's, it did work.em
Edit:
Oh wow, GNOME locked on me twice already. Reminds me once again of how shitty it is. I'll look for a DE later though.
Just turned my computer on:
[code]CPU Temperature: +14.0°C [/code]
It's a bit chilly in here.
For fuck's sake, what is this shit?
[code]falco@falcolaptop ~ $ bumblebeed
bash: bumblebeed: command not found...
Similar command is: 'bumblebeed'
[/code]
Kind of fixed it, it's a root only command :/
Which drivers should I be running, Nouveau or nvidia proprietary? I'll install Steam on this laptop, and I will want to play GMod once it's on Linux.
This is probably old and not really related but..
[t]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12347804/muhflakes.jpg[/t]
I found this at the supermarket
[QUOTE=FPtje;38910192]For fuck's sake, what is this shit?
[code]falco@falcolaptop ~ $ bumblebeed
bash: bumblebeed: command not found...
Similar command is: 'bumblebeed'
[/code]
Kind of fixed it, it's a root only command :/
Which drivers should I be running, Nouveau or nvidia proprietary? I'll install Steam on this laptop, and I will want to play GMod once it's on Linux.[/QUOTE]
proprietary if you're gonna do anything 3d related
[QUOTE=FPtje;38910192]For fuck's sake, what is this shit?
[code]falco@falcolaptop ~ $ bumblebeed
bash: bumblebeed: command not found...
Similar command is: 'bumblebeed'
[/code]
Kind of fixed it, it's a root only command :/
Which drivers should I be running, Nouveau or nvidia proprietary? I'll install Steam on this laptop, and I will want to play GMod once it's on Linux.[/QUOTE]
Probably because "/sbin" and "/usr/sbin" aren't in your $PATH.
Definitely the Nvidia drivers, Nouveau isn't ready for anything 3D.
[QUOTE=FPtje;38910192]For fuck's sake, what is this shit?
[code]falco@falcolaptop ~ $ bumblebeed
bash: bumblebeed: command not found...
Similar command is: 'bumblebeed'
[/code]
Kind of fixed it, it's a root only command :/
Which drivers should I be running, Nouveau or nvidia proprietary? I'll install Steam on this laptop, and I will want to play GMod once it's on Linux.[/QUOTE]
Nouveau will display X. And that's pretty much it.
if you want to actually do anything go with the proprietary
[QUOTE=IpHa;38910627]Defiantly[/QUOTE]
Definitely
"defiantly" means "in a defiant manner"
[QUOTE=esalaka;38910974]Definitely
"defiantly" means "in a defiant manner"[/QUOTE]
Grr, I had the right spelling in my mind, de - finite - ly, but I always type it wrong.
So I'm probably getting a new computer, which will be used for 80% Linux and 20% Windows 8 gaming. Unlike my last build (ATI card why why why) I'm going to assume that the best setup will involve nVidia cards (two, I figger it's about time I became a man and SLIed).
Any other things to be aware of? I've heard good things about Bulldozer on Linux but I'm still probably going to go Intel.
[QUOTE=IpHa;38911310]Grr, I had the right spelling in my mind, de - finite - ly, but I always type it wrong.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you should consider reading your posts in the future, then
[editline]21st December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38916889]So I'm probably getting a new computer, which will be used for 80% Linux and 20% Windows 8 gaming. Unlike my last build (ATI card why why why) I'm going to assume that the best setup will involve nVidia cards (two, I figger it's about time I became a man and SLIed).
Any other things to be aware of? I've heard good things about Bulldozer on Linux but I'm still probably going to go Intel.[/QUOTE]
No problems with Intel in Linux, no benefits to bulldozer (unless you are doing some very niche things with it).
There isn't really much other than that, just don't forget to ask for help if you need it.
[editline]21st December 2012[/editline]
Oh, and make sure there aren't any compatibility issues with your motherboard beforehand, it will save a lot of effort if there are any.
This is my second build so I won't have any noob problems or any of that.
>Installing MonoDevelop
> Installing Firefox..
Hey wait, I didn't want Firefox? What the fuck?
> Everything finished installing
> Remove Firefox
> This package is also to be removed: MonoDevelop
I was flabbergasted. After some searching I found that MonoDevelop depends on Gecko which in turn depends on Firefox. Oh wow, install an IDE, get a browser for free.
Before you talk shit about MonoDevelop, I want to see how shitty it is myself before I go along with the herd.
[QUOTE=FPtje;38919347]Gecko depends on Firefox[/QUOTE]
Which distro are you using again
Sabayon
The source of my information btw:
[url]http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/104137[/url]
I'm fairly sure you should be able to build gecko independent of Firefox, though, so that sounds kinda weird.
On the other hand, I can't find any instructions on how to build gecko so maybe you can't.
[QUOTE=FPtje;38919795]Sabayon
The source of my information btw:
[url]http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/104137[/url][/QUOTE]
It's true. It's really fucking stupid that this is true.
I have NO idea why they made this the case for that specific package. I'm a firefox user myself, so I had no problem with it, but it's still really bad way to handle things.
[editline]21st December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=esalaka;38919842]I'm fairly sure you should be able to build gecko independent of Firefox, though, so that sounds kinda weird.
On the other hand, I can't find any instructions on how to build gecko so maybe you can't.[/QUOTE]
This should be possible with Portage, to just emerge monodevelop. However, that kind of defeats the purpose of having a binary package manager. It's just for this package, but still.
[editline]21st December 2012[/editline]
Oh wait no, you can just go
[code]
emerge --unmerge -av firefox
[/code]
And firefox is gone.
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