• General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Install Arch
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[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;38969596]Concerning upsteam changes, Arch at least is kind enough to notify you of new config syntax using .pacnew files; if you pay attention while you update you will get notifications of these changes and any new optional dependencies. Rolling release does not mean "wipe my ass for me": back-ported debian derivatives exist for that. If you are of the mindset that you want entirely up-to-date software, but you don't want to deal with up-to-date changes, you may be living in a fantasy world. Arch makes no preconceptions about what kind of software you will or will not be using, so pacman has to be general purpose. For what it does I'm surprised it does so well. When there are major changes, the mailing lists or even the news feed on the front page of their website give simple instructions on how to deal with it. In cases where carelessness fosters system failures, a recovery disk is indispensable. If you are willing to spend non-trivial amounts of time writing a config RC for your WM, you should be willing to spend at least as much time to read the changelogs for it, as well as be conscientious when updating all software: read the output of your package manager, it is there for a reason. Sorry if this sounds like an attack, I don't intend it to be, I'm just a bit taken aback that the knee-jerk reaction to any problems is to blame ( in this order ): OS -> DM -> WM -> Actual Software. [editline]25th December 2012[/editline] Also, Merry Christmas everyone :dance:[/QUOTE] I updated through the Rigo ui, which had no output. I will not go out of my way to find changelogs of the packages that were updated. I might use the cli next time, though, like I did in Arch. My biggest problem with these updates is that you find out it broke your system when you restart. In this case, Rigo didn't say anything about a syntax change, so I found out the next day. Last time in Arch, when the /lib folder was symlinked to /usr/lib, I found out when my laptop didn't boot. It turned out they had a message on their website. That was when I still used pacman, which is a cli. I didn't see anything about the change in there, if I recall correctly. Shit just sometimes breaks when you update, and you find out when you restart your PC. For those people who use revelation with Awesome 3.5, does revelation bug out for you? If it does, make this little change: [url]https://github.com/bioe007/awesome-revelation/issues/8[/url]
[QUOTE=FPtje;38968894]Thanks, now it's listed. Logging in with session Awesome makes GDM restart, though.[/QUOTE] That's probably why it was marked as NoDisplay. [editline]25th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=FPtje;38970328]I updated through the Rigo ui, [b]which had no output.[/b][/QUOTE] There's your problem.
[QUOTE=FPtje;38970328]I updated through the Rigo ui, which had no output. I will not go out of my way to find changelogs of the packages that were updated. I might use the cli next time, though, like I did in Arch. My biggest problem with these updates is that you find out it broke your system when you restart. In this case, Rigo didn't say anything about a syntax change, so I found out the next day. Last time in Arch, when the /lib folder was symlinked to /usr/lib, I found out when my laptop didn't boot. It turned out they had a message on their website. That was when I still used pacman, which is a cli. I didn't see anything about the change in there, if I recall correctly. Shit just sometimes breaks when you update, and you find out when you restart your PC. For those people who use revelation with Awesome 3.5, does revelation bug out for you? If it does, make this little change: [url]https://github.com/bioe007/awesome-revelation/issues/8[/url][/QUOTE] Rigo has output, you just have to click "show me" and BAM. Verbose output.
[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;38970097]I'm getting worried guys. You all say that TF2 runs nicely, but I'm nowhere close to that. I'm going to do a little testing with maxed out graphics. Btw, my system hardware is made up of this: Should it run TF2 the way it is running it in linux? [editline]25th December 2012[/editline] So, did the test, and I get 13 stable fps on turbine in a 30 player server with everything maxed out. I don't think this is right.[/QUOTE] I don't think you'd get more fps in windows, considering tf2 and all source games are very cpu bound, and I'm guessing your cpu is also bottlenecking your gpu
[QUOTE=FPtje;38970328]I updated through the Rigo ui, which had no output. I will not go out of my way to find changelogs of the packages that were updated. I might use the cli next time, though, like I did in Arch. My biggest problem with these updates is that you find out it broke your system when you restart. In this case, Rigo didn't say anything about a syntax change, so I found out the next day. Last time in Arch, when the /lib folder was symlinked to /usr/lib, I found out when my laptop didn't boot. It turned out they had a message on their website. That was when I still used pacman, which is a cli. I didn't see anything about the change in there, if I recall correctly. Shit just sometimes breaks when you update, and you find out when you restart your PC. For those people who use revelation with Awesome 3.5, does revelation bug out for you? If it does, make this little change: [url]https://github.com/bioe007/awesome-revelation/issues/8[/url][/QUOTE] As I said, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Choose between 1) up-to-date software + paying attention to your updates or 2) older software + update-and-forget-it. Or choose somewhere in the middle, break things, and complain about your operating system. Lavacano is exactly right about the GUI, and if T3hGamer is right you NEED to enable verbose output; my question is why you really need a GUI for it anyway... what updates require graphical output?
[QUOTE=lavacano;38970986]That's probably why it was marked as NoDisplay.[/quote] It was my config file which broke things, the syntax changed. [QUOTE=lavacano;38970986] [editline]25th December 2012[/editline] There's your problem.[/QUOTE] Let me see if I can get the update log somewhere to see if it warns for changes in syntax and library names. These are the changes I had to incorporate in my config file: [url]http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Awesome_3.4_to_3.5[/url] My config file being a non-default file in the home folder. I know entropy warns of config file changes in /etc/, but rc.lua is overriden by the one in the home folder. I remember seeing entropy say that the one in /etc/ didn't change, which is true. Also why should an update ever decide to disable a window manager by default? Not because it was broken, because it wasn't. It just couldn't load my config file because the syntax changed.
[QUOTE=hpqoeu;38971648]I don't think you'd get more fps in windows, considering tf2 and all source games are very cpu bound, and I'm guessing your cpu is also bottlenecking your gpu[/QUOTE] If you look a few posts above, I said that in windows I had no problem. It would not be under 75 fps (refresh rate mark). Thanks for caring thou.
Snip. Holy shit I am so pissed off I can't even think straight anymore. What the fuck is going on here.
[QUOTE=FPtje;38972821]Snip. Holy shit I am so pissed off I can't even think straight anymore. What the fuck is going on here.[/QUOTE] You need to take a chill pill. Collect yourself or things are going to keep going wrong...
Just installed Cinnamon for the first time. I could say it's running way better than Ubuntu or Debian, since it's based on Arch. Comes a lot of stuff included when installed, has a working CLI for the installer and it runs super fast. Going to try out Steam on it now.
[QUOTE=atrblizzard;38974557]Just installed Cinnamon for the first time. I could say it's running way better than Ubuntu or Debian, since it's based on Arch. Comes a lot of stuff included when installed, has a working CLI for the installer and it runs super fast. Going to try out Steam on it now.[/QUOTE] Am I missing something there, but isn't Cinnamon a DE ?
[QUOTE=atrblizzard;38974557]Just installed Cinnamon for the first time. I could say it's running way better than Ubuntu or Debian, since it's based on Arch. Comes a lot of stuff included when installed, has a working CLI for the installer and it runs super fast. Going to try out Steam on it now.[/QUOTE] You mean Cinnarch right?
Found the source of my low fps in TF2, I was using Mint. Just did a little partition of ubuntu 32-bit and started TF2, it ran just like in Windows. How is that even possible? Maybe it is because I was using 64 bit, but that is illogical. Anyways, thanks for the help.
that doesn't make sense because I'm on Gentoo and it runs just like in Windows (possibly better)
[QUOTE=lavacano;38981688]that doesn't make sense because I'm on Gentoo and it runs just like in Windows (possibly better)[/QUOTE] Yeah, I know. There must be something I have done to the Mint installation, but I can't seem to find it or to remember it...
What is the best way to transcode my whole music library at once? I want smaller files for my mobile devices, and have the original copies on my PC. Most of the music is in FLAC.
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;38980006]You mean Cinnarch right?[/QUOTE] Ah yes, apologies. That is what I meant.
Not sure if it ACTUALLY belongs in here, but from previous experiences, I'm not getting help in the small questions thread. So whatever. [QUOTE=Killervalon;38982039]Trying to setup a OpenVPN on a VPS this time, struggling a bit with Linux though. I have installed bridge-utils But it's giving me a /sbin/brctl not found error... Any ideas? Running Ubuntu 10.04[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;38982076]Yeah, I know. There must be something I have done to the Mint installation, but I can't seem to find it or to remember it...[/QUOTE] Do other graphically intensive programs run as bad? Are you sure the drivers were installed correctly?
[QUOTE=danharibo;38983511]Do other graphically intensive programs run as bad? Are you sure the drivers were installed correctly?[/QUOTE] The drivers were installed from software sources, and GTA:San Andreas and Counter Strike: Global Offensive in wine ran like normal, so I assume it was related to TF2.
[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;38983626]The drivers were installed from software sources, and GTA:San Andreas and Counter Strike: Global Offensive in wine ran like normal, so I assume it was related to TF2.[/QUOTE] get the Beta drivers, they improve performance drastically.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;38983872]get the Beta drivers, they improve performance drastically.[/QUOTE] That's what I'm using, 310 experimental drivers.
[QUOTE=Killervalon;38983032]Not sure if it ACTUALLY belongs in here, but from previous experiences, I'm not getting help in the small questions thread. So whatever.[/QUOTE] Does this help any? [url]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2058003[/url]
[QUOTE=jetboy;38984960]Does this help any? [URL]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2058003[/URL][/QUOTE] Not really, but realised OpenVZ does NOT support bridging, but figured out I could use the iptables method. I can connect just fine and apparantly ping other servers, but I'm not getting a gateway atm. And I can't browse le interwebz. Hm, works on my MacBook - not on mah Windows though. Which OpenVPN client do you peeps use anyways? (Tunnelblick on my mac) EDIT: Oh god, was just reminded this is the Linux chat. None of you probaly use OpenVPN on Windows... EDIT: Woops, should have used a proper DNS (Google's), accidently wrote the servers ip. It's fixed now.
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I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop, the last version I used was 10.04/10.10. Oh god. Good night sweet prince.......
[QUOTE=PyroCF;39003505]I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop, the last version I used was 10.04/10.10. Oh god. Good night sweet prince.......[/QUOTE] Install another DE. xfce/kde/cinnamon are all pretty good imo (even if I don't use any of them)
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;39003683]Install another DE. xfce/kde/cinnamon are all pretty good imo (even if I don't use any of them)[/QUOTE] I've just gone with Mint, it's pretty much what I need for my Laptop. Was about to download Debian when lyoko warded me off because of outdated stuff.
[QUOTE=PyroCF;39004317]I've just gone with Mint, it's pretty much what I need for my Laptop. Was about to download Debian when lyoko warded me off because of outdated stuff.[/QUOTE] If you use Unstable or Testing it's not that outdated. I think.
[QUOTE=esalaka;39004931]If you use Unstable or Testing it's not [b]that[/b] outdated. I think.[/QUOTE] This keyword is very important. Things are still outdated, but they're more recent than Debian Stable.
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