General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Install Arch
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[QUOTE=Moofy;39402148]I'm about to give KDE a try now along with Fedora, any tips or "heads up" on stuff? I've only used KDE once before and that was only a few weeks, didn't really customize it all. Only moved a bit around and changed the boot screen!
[editline]29th January 2013[/editline]
Oh and the install says my HDD only has 2.36 MB free space? It's a 1.5 TB.. This isn't true. And it doesn't ask if I want to erase it or anything?[/QUOTE]
Any reason as to why you want to use KDE over XFCE? Just to test it out?
[QUOTE=nehkz;39403937]Any reason as to why you want to use KDE over XFCE? Just to test it out?[/QUOTE]
Mainly yea, but I got around Arch and it's perfectly installing. Now just going trough which DE I want
[QUOTE=Moofy;39405417]Mainly yea, but I got around Arch and it's perfectly installing. Now just going trough which DE I want[/QUOTE]
You mean which WM you want. That is DWM.
DWM is much simpler, but I like i3 because its layouts are much more modular and they are unique for each workspace. I might have just been using DWM incorrectly but i3 has been much easier to work with, at least for me.
when I start up squid it immediately sens tons of requests to ad sites, what could be the cause of this?
example
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1359555651.349 2022 183.12.165.27 TCP_MISS/200 25671 GET http://adsx.greystripe.com/openx/www/delivery/ia.php? - HIER_DIRECT/8.18.45.86 text/html
1359555651.395 285 173.208.175.98 TCP_MISS/200 5053 GET http://ad.media-servers.net/st? - HIER_DIRECT/98.139.225.42 -
1359555651.437 39 50.93.201.122 TCP_MISS/302 749 GET http://ad.yieldmanager.com/imp? - HIER_DIRECT/98.139.225.43 -
1359555651.440 39 177.34.53.216 TCP_MISS/204 333 GET http://www.google.com.br/csi? - HIER_DIRECT/74.125.131.94 image/gif
1359555651.511 16 192.74.231.28 TCP_MISS/200 622 GET http://media.intermundomedia.com/cookE/geoip/jscript? - HIER_DIRECT/74.217.59.4 application/x-javascript
1359555651.614 52 173.208.175.98 TCP_MISS/302 677 GET http://ad.media-servers.net/imp? - HIER_DIRECT/98.139.225.42 -
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going to clear squids cache, hopefully that will fix it
[editline]30th January 2013[/editline]
holy shit it's been getting the pages for ~10 hours at like 10-20 requests per second
[editline]30th January 2013[/editline]
the logfile is 550MB holy shit
I am trying to install Linux Mint on my boyfriend's laptop but when I try to run the live disk I just get a black screen
This might be a uefi thing. Make sure that either 1) secure boot is off, or 2) you boot into the cd in bios mode.
So apparently after I did a grub-bios install on arch it went crazy after I rebooted and took the CD out, got rid of my wlan0 and stuff so I have to reburn it, wow this is gonna take forever. Won't be getting arch done tonight.
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It BEGINS.
(Gotta love the E devs - release 17.0 after working on it for 12 years, immediately start working on 0.18.)
Is it just me or is the [URL="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_Guide"]Arch Installation Guide[/URL] more.. Beginner'ish? To me it seems easier to read and get around where the beginner guide gives more in depth details, I suppose that is the case. After reading the beginners guide and then this it all seems more easy. But let me not get too cocky until I get Arch running :v:
Why is unstable software so fun to use?
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;39428230]Why is unstable software so fun to use?[/QUOTE]
New features, new excitement, change. What's not to be excited about? It's all about the fun until someone smashes the cake in your face and the program ruins your system though.
I run an unstable Android build on my phone.
The new features are bloody brilliant, too bad the phone crashes like 2-3 times a day.
Gather around children. I have a tale of anger, hardship and bullshit for you.
Yesterday, my steam install updated. Assuming it was smart enough not to eat shit for the sake of eating shit, I didn't think much of it and forgot about it. Today, I tried to start steam and nothing. Running it through the terminal showed me that the damned thing segfaulted twice, once trying to run its own binary and another time trying to run tar (Yes, mother fucking tar segaulted apparently).
I went on the wiki and on the github and found nothing. I assumed it was something with my system. I tried reinstalling the steam package. Turns out, it's up to date, so nothing there. I then went to update my system. Checking the arch home page I saw that I needed to make sure to update glibc and filesystem together. This was fine because that's one of those things pacman -Syu is good at. When it's done downloading all the packages, it starts installing them. I started getting errors on every other package telling me that execv couldn't find some file (It just gave me file not found, no details). Once it was done, yaourt failed to update my aur packages because of some error (it was in the lines of file not found)
I was back at the shell and I was trying to see what the hell was going on, but every other command would "file not found" or "command not found" even tho all the damned files were in the right place. running "foo" would give me file not found but running /usr/bin/foo was all fine a fucking dandy.
I have had some experience before with one of my partitions doing all the cocaine after an update or something. So I booted up my magical usb stick (into systemrescue CD). I ran an fsck and I tried to mount the partition. All was fine and dandy. After doing some poking around I found out that my root partition was full. I blame desura, ut2004 and pacman for this one. Turns out I had installed ut2004 on my box, never played it and just forgot about it. Also, pacman, like the idiot it is kept all the package caches. I have 3-5 versions of the same packages. That's 3-5 times all my packages. Since, I didn't want to delete the whole cache (my upgrade fucked up, I wanted a plan B) I booted up my arch install ISO (also on my magical usb stick).
I mounted my shit and tried to arch-chroot. It couldn't find sh. I went in the fs and it was there all fine and dandy minding its own business. Since I couldn't chroot magically, and didn't feel like doing that shit by hand, I ran pacman changing to root dir and the cache dir. I managed to clear most of the cache, leaving the most recent shit.
I tried to reboot into my system and it wouldn't. It was something about it waiting for some partition and timing out. I booted back the ISO and started prodding around. I ran a full scan of badblocks, which gave me nothing what so ever. I wanted to do a pacman -Syu to let pacman fix the mess it created, but I couldn't. You see, I'm one of those lucky ones with a broadcom wireless chip, one of the ones that really like their proprietary firmware. I got the firmware on my laptop and installed it in the ISO. When I tried to reload the b43 module, the kernel ate shit and killed modprobe.
Since that didn't work, I thought I would just reinstall the packages from the pacman cache. Since I could chroot, I had to set pacman's root, config, cachedir, etc. by hand. It gave me a command that was about 20 feet long. I reinstalled the kernel and friends, binutils, bash, glibc and filesystem. After that I could chroot. When I installed the kernel it gave me the same error with execv not finding whatever file, so it didn't run mkinitcpio automatically. So I ran mkinitcpio and rebooted.
It booted, I was the happiest man alive. The only problem was the the UI didn't show up. Looking at the log I noticed that my gpu drivers failed to load. I reinstalled the package and it worked after a reboot.
After all this shit, I wanted to see if steam would start. Turns out, life is a bitch and gabe is an evil man. It kept on segfaulting. I was curious as to why in the living fuck tar would segfault. I ran the command the script was trying to run and it all went well. Tried to run steam again and it all started as normal.
I was still left with a problem, my update fucked up. The kernel installed and is running, but half the packages I had updated failed to run their install scripts. I didn't know which ones they were. (I could have parsed through the pacman log file, but it didn't come to me at the time, and thinking about it, it feels like it would be a major pain in my ass.) I reinstalled all my packages. I conjured some massive one liner to do the job.
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yaourt -Q | egrep '^(core|extra|multilib|community)/' | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | cut -d '/' -f 2 | pacman -S -
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Until the rest of my days, I will always be haunted by the question: Why in the fuck would tar ever segfault?
running Ubuntu. I love the gradient backgrounds as I am a simple neanderthal man and it sorta reminds me of the PSP's backgrounds.
wondering if there's a program or an app or whatever that can cycle between gradients of your choosing on a timer. I'd imagine gradients in sunrise colors in the wee hours of the morning, bright blues in the daytime, blue and yellow in the evening, sunset colors at sunset and etc. would be really purdy.
Any idea if there's a little gadget to do this?
[QUOTE=Boris-B;39433260]
Yesterday, my steam install updated. Assuming it was smart enough not to eat shit for the sake of eating shit, I didn't think much of it and forgot about it. [/QUOTE]
I keep repeating that I hate Arch because its updates fuck shit up. It's annoying as fuck. Everything else about Arch is just about great, but its updates are terrible.
You just have to read the Announcements.
Subscribe to this mailinglist, and you get informed on important changes and stuff:
[url]https://mailman.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-announce[/url]
I use this Arch installation at work, since August 2012, and never had a single problem with it.
[QUOTE=kaukassus;39435026]You just have to read the Announcements.
Subscribe to this mailinglist, and you get informed on important changes and stuff:
[url]https://mailman.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-announce[/url]
I use this Arch installation at work, since August 2012, and never had a single problem with it.[/QUOTE]
"[url=https://www.archlinux.org/news/update-filesystem-201301-1-and-glibc-217-2-together/]Watch it guys[/url], next update will [url=https://www.archlinux.org/news/consolekit-replaced-by-logind/]fuck shit up[/url] if you don't pay attention. Do this to prevent it/[url=https://www.archlinux.org/news/the-lib-directory-becomes-a-symlink/]do that to solve it.[/url]"
Fucking bullshit if you ask me. I believe the fuckup in the last link was the last straw for me to abandon Arch.
You can't just run an update without the chance of things majorly fucking up. You can be all euphoric about how Arch changes things to make the system "correct". But their slogan [url=https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/The_Arch_Way#Code-correctness_over_convenience]Code correctness over convenience[/url] is goddamn annoying in practice and might as well be changed to "code correctness at the expense of our users' convenience"
[URL="http://xkcd.com/1168/"]Latest XKCD hurts so much, because it's so true.[/URL]
[QUOTE=nikomo;39435615][URL="http://xkcd.com/1168/"]Latest XKCD hurts so much, because it's so true.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Trivial:
tar --help
[QUOTE=FPtje;39435766]Trivial:
tar --help[/QUOTE]
Hardly ideal, that list is still fairly massive and it's going to take a decent chunk of time for an operation that should be simple.
tar is one of those programs that you could really do with remembering the flags for, and they're fairly easy to remember, but you just never bother.
I don't open up that many .tar or tar.gz files to bother with learning the flags properly, all I really is remember is xvzf (e[B]x[/B]tract [B]v[/B]erbose g[B]z[/B]ip [B]f[/B]ile)
tar xf <file>
Two things.
First, steam eating shit was because of its own update manager, not pacman.
Second, pacman is not a fire and forget type of package manager. The arch guys splattered that just about everywhere. You can't go into pacman expecting apt or yum. It's not designed to work like that.
You can't go running system updates willy nilly, without reading shit, and then flipping shit because it went wrong. You were warned time and time again not to fucking do that.
Pacman has its flaws and what happened to me is probably my fault now that I'm thinking about it. I think that yaourt --sucre does a --force somewhere, which fucks shit up. I still need to confirm this.
[QUOTE=Boris-B;39435925]Two things.
First, steam eating shit was because of its own update manager, not pacman.
Second, pacman is not a fire and forget type of package manager. The arch guys splattered that just about everywhere. You can't go into pacman expecting apt or yum. It's not designed to work like that.
You can't go running system updates willy nilly, without reading shit, and then flipping shit because it went wrong. You were warned time and time again not to fucking do that.
Pacman has its flaws and what happened to me is probably my fault now that I'm thinking about it. I think that yaourt --sucre does a --force somewhere, which fucks shit up. I still need to confirm this.[/QUOTE]
This exactly. I had to reinstall my Sabayon system because of the Steam update shit. Worked afterwards though.
[QUOTE=nikomo;39435885]all I really is remember is xvzf (e[B]x[/B]tract [B]v[/B]erbose g[B]z[/B]ip [B]f[/B]ile)[/QUOTE]
And you don't even need the z if you're running GNU tar. That thing can extract pretty much anything with just xf if it recognises the compression.
[QUOTE=Boris-B;39435925]Two things.
First, steam eating shit was because of its own update manager, not pacman.
Second, pacman is not a fire and forget type of package manager. The arch guys splattered that just about everywhere. You can't go into pacman expecting apt or yum. It's not designed to work like that.
You can't go running system updates willy nilly, without reading shit, and then flipping shit because it went wrong. You were warned time and time again not to fucking do that.
Pacman has its flaws and what happened to me is probably my fault now that I'm thinking about it. I think that yaourt --sucre does a --force somewhere, which fucks shit up. I still need to confirm this.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you have to look on a website or your e-mail to see if an update will fuck up your system is ridiculous. Especially for an issue SO easy to solve. The solution to unexpected breaking when an update occurs is SIMPLE: When an update is run of which the Arch developers know it will fuck shit up (like they post on their blog), simply break the update progress, tell the user to read the blog or w/e, and ask to continue (yes/no).
A solution so simple, and it could easily prevent the "oh fuck I forgot to read my mail/look on the website before upgrading my system." problem and many other frustrating things, like your problem.
Why does upgrading your system DEPEND on you reading the latest news from a website in order not to fuck your system up? It's ridiculous and unnecessary.
Pacman's output can be fine while the system will refuse to reboot.
[QUOTE=FPtje;39436935]The fact that you have to look on a website or your e-mail to see if an update will fuck up your system is ridiculous. Especially for an issue SO easy to solve. The solution to unexpected breaking when an update occurs is SIMPLE: When an update is run of which the Arch developers know it will fuck shit up (like they post on their blog), simply break the update progress, tell the user to read the blog or w/e, and ask to continue (yes/no).
A solution so simple, and it could easily prevent the "oh fuck I forgot to read my mail/look on the website before upgrading my system." problem and many other frustrating things, like your problem.
Why does upgrading your system DEPEND on you reading the latest news from a website in order not to fuck your system up? It's ridiculous and unnecessary.
Pacman's output can be fine while the system will refuse to reboot.[/QUOTE]
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[B]Q:[/B] An update to package XYZ broke my system!
[B]A:[/B] Arch Linux is a rolling-release cutting-edge distribution. Package updates are available as soon as they are deemed stable enough for general use. However, updates sometimes require user intervention: configuration files may need to be updated, optional dependencies may change, etc.
[B]The most important tip to remember is to not "blindly" update Arch systems. Always read the list of packages to be updated. Note whether "critical" packages are going to be updated (linux, xorg-server, and so on). If so, it is usually a good idea to check for any news at [url]https://www.archlinux.org/[/url] and scan recent forum posts to see if people are experiencing problems as a result of an update.[/B]
If a package update is expected/known to cause problems, packagers will ensure that pacman displays an appropriate message when the package is updated. If experiencing trouble after an update, double-check pacman's output by looking at the log (/var/log/pacman.log).
At this point, only after ensuring there is no information available through pacman, there is no relative news on [url]https://www.archlinux.org/[/url], and there are no forum posts regarding the update, consider seeking help on the forum, over IRC, or downgrading the offending package.
[/quote]
Source: [url]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman#Q:_An_update_to_package_XYZ_broke_my_system.21[/url]
On Ubuntu, pressing shift + keypad key with numlock off, it enters a number. Is there a way to disable that so I can use the keypad to enter combinations like shift + pageup?
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;39437175]On Ubuntu, pressing shift + keypad key with numlock off, it enters a number. Is there a way to disable that so I can use the keypad to enter combinations like shift + pageup?[/QUOTE]
Turn Numlock on? :v:
[editline]1st February 2013[/editline]
(No, seriously, that flips the functions around so that shift-9 becomes shift-pgup)
[QUOTE=esalaka;39437557]Turn Numlock on? :v:
[editline]1st February 2013[/editline]
(No, seriously, that flips the functions around so that shift-9 becomes shift-pgup)[/QUOTE]
Then I have to constantly switch numlock
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