• General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Install Arch
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[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35714987]And I am so glad Centos is still on Gnome 2, Gnome 3 is an abomination[/QUOTE] I don't see what the hate is about with GNOME 3...It's different, sure, but I think it's becoming for the better.
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;35715623]I don't see what the hate is about with GNOME 3...It's different, sure, but I think it's becoming for the better.[/QUOTE] If Gnome 3 is for the better, then I definitely don't wanna see what they mean is for the worse. Are they trying to make KDE look great in comparison?
Okay so i have this dude in my class yelling at me why i use GNOME 3 and Ubuntu, saying i should downgrade and set everything up myself. Now, he says i should do Gentoo, Debian and what not. Alright, so can someone tell me why everyone hates new things? And why everyone want's to do everything by by hand. Tell me, should i start learn getting the "hard" stuff, it's no secret i have no idea how thing work here. Where did you guys learn all about Linux? Because i feel like.. I use this. Done.
[QUOTE=Moofy;35715844]Okay so i have this dude in my class yelling at me why i use GNOME 3 and Ubuntu, saying i should downgrade and set everything up myself. Now, he says i should do Gentoo, Debian and what not. Alright, so can someone tell me why everyone hates new things? And why everyone want's to do everything by by hand. Tell me, should i start learn getting the "hard" stuff, it's no secret i have no idea how thing work here. Where did you guys learn all about Linux? Because i feel like.. I use this. Done.[/QUOTE] It's generally not a bad idea to try something like Gentoo or Arch Linux though. You really do learn a lot about Linux in general.
[QUOTE=horsedrowner;35715907]It's generally not a bad idea to try something like Gentoo or Arch Linux though. You really do learn a lot about Linux in general.[/QUOTE] Yea i want to learn, problem is i don't know where to get some information. Generally i wan't to install Gentoo, but im the type of guy who really cares about the looks. I wan't Arch, i just think that i have [b]NO[/b] idea when you get to the [b]pacman[/b] part an on.
[QUOTE=Moofy;35716004] im the type of guy who really cares about the looks. [/QUOTE] this makes me question your linuxability. also, gnome 3 takes away user independence, that's why it blows.
[QUOTE=Moofy;35716004]Yea i want to learn, problem is i don't know where to get some information. Generally i wan't to install Gentoo, but im the type of guy who really cares about the looks. I wan't Arch, i just think that i have [b]NO[/b] idea when you get to the [b]pacman[/b] part an on.[/QUOTE] The ArchWiki is really good, for beginners and experienced people alike, at least in my opinion. Try [url]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide[/url] for example. Installing Arch is reasonably easy; you have an interactive installer which guides you through the most important parts, unlike Gentoo (if I recall correctly). And even if you don't succeed at first, you still learn a lot about the process. [editline].[/editline] I won't be of help when it comes to looks, though. I've always found Linux lacking in that area. Don't get me wrong, I've seen great looking desktops, but I can never seem to find good themes, and gnome-look is a pain to browse through, in my opinion.
[QUOTE=horsedrowner;35716050]The ArchWiki is really good, for beginners and experienced people alike, at least in my opinion. Try [url]https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide[/url] for example. Installing Arch is reasonably easy; you have an interactive installer which guides you through the most important parts, unlike Gentoo (if I recall correctly). And even if you don't succeed at first, you still learn a lot about the process.[/QUOTE] You seem like a guy who knows a bunch. Do you know how long the process will take for a newbie? Oh and, will i at any point need a wired connection for setting up wireless in Arch? I hear i don't but people i know IRL say's i need. Should i believe Facepunch or my friends from kindergarden? Oh fuck them, go Facepunch!
[QUOTE=Moofy;35716072]You seem like a guy who knows a bunch. Do you know how long the process will take for a newbie? Oh and, will i at any point need a wired connection for setting up wireless in Arch? I hear i don't but people i know IRL say's i need. Should i believe Facepunch or my friends from kindergarden? Oh fuck them, go Facepunch![/QUOTE] The Beginner's Guide should guide you through the process. Ideally you'd have a second PC or laptop that you can use to read the guide while you're installing. It's pretty detailed and explaining. You don't need a wired connection to set up wireless. I believe both the core and netinstall images come with wireless tools. Again, the beginner's guide explains this is more detail than I can.
[QUOTE=horsedrowner;35716101]The Beginner's Guide should guide you through the process. Ideally you'd have a second PC or laptop that you can use to read the guide while you're installing. It's pretty detailed and explaining. You don't need a wired connection to set up wireless. I believe both the core and netinstall images come with wireless tools. Again, the beginner's guide explains this is more detail than I can.[/QUOTE] I do have a second PC. But do you recommend Arch right away? Should i try Debian first or something else?
[QUOTE=Moofy;35716163]I do have a second PC. But do you recommend Arch right away? Should i try Debian first or something else?[/QUOTE] Jesus, try it out in a virtualized environment first. Virtualbox or something like that. Not to mention Virtualbox supports taking "snapshots" of the VM, so you can easily revert back to a previous state.
[QUOTE=Moofy;35716163]I do have a second PC. But do you recommend Arch right away? Should i try Debian first or something else?[/QUOTE] If you're able to, it would probably be wise to install it in a Virtual Machine first. You wouldn't have to give it a lot of memory nor disk space, especially if you're doing a basic install to get the right idea.
And so for desktop enviorment i should choose.. GNOME 2? If im correct?
[QUOTE=Moofy;35716780]And so for desktop enviorment i should choose.. GNOME 2? If im correct?[/QUOTE] Xfce is my personal favourite, it is very lightweight yet very customizable. Gnome 2 (MATE as it is known now) is alright but a bit bloaty, Lxde is incredibly lightweight but lacks the features of most full desktop enviroments, and KDE has a ton of eye candy but also is the most heavyweight of all. Razor QT is really nice as well, it ranks close to Xfce in terms of lightweight, but is still lacking a bit on features due to it being somewhat new. [editline]26th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=q0q;35716820]Xfce is my personal favourite, it is very lightweight yet very customizable. Gnome 2 (MATE as it is known now) is alright but a bit bloaty, Lxde is incredibly lightweight but lacks the features of most full desktop enviroments, and KDE has a ton of eye candy but also is the most heavyweight of all. Razor QT is really nice as well, it ranks close to Xfce in terms of lightweight, but is still lacking a bit on features due to it being somewhat new.[/QUOTE] In terms of my personal Arch install, I use Openbox standalone.
[QUOTE=Moofy;35716780]And so for desktop enviorment i should choose.. GNOME 2? If im correct?[/QUOTE] It really comes down to personal preference. I suggest you just try a few different to see which you prefer.
[QUOTE=q0q;35716820]Xfce is my personal favourite, it is very lightweight yet very customizable. Gnome 2 (MATE as it is known now) is alright but a bit bloaty, Lxde is incredibly lightweight but lacks the features of most full desktop enviroments, and KDE has a ton of eye candy but also is the most heavyweight of all. Razor QT is really nice as well, it ranks close to Xfce in terms of lightweight, but is still lacking a bit on features due to it being somewhat new. [editline]26th April 2012[/editline] In terms of my personal Arch install, I use Openbox standalone.[/QUOTE] Ive looked on it. It feels like it is a bit, too lightweight? How customizible is it? Normally i would say KDE, but after my experience with it on Linux Mint i will never touch it again. [editline]editline[/editline] [QUOTE=horsedrowner;35716869]It really comes down to personal preference. I suggest you just try a few different to see which you prefer.[/QUOTE] Ya', but what i meen is that i have no idea really on how Linux "works". I feel like i just Google stuff i heard about that i wan't, find terminal command and get it done. There is no, me in it. I just find the information and thats all. I really don't learn anything.
Xfce is extremely customizable and lightweight, in my opinion if you're going to go for a full desktop environment you might as well go with Xfce. Here's some examples from the Arch forum of what you can make Xfce look like with some tlc. [url]https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=84840&p=12[/url]
[QUOTE=q0q;35717030]Xfce is extremely customizable and lightweight, in my opinion if you're going to go for a full desktop environment you might as well go with Xfce. Here's some examples from the Arch forum of what you can make Xfce look like with some tlc. [url]https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=84840&p=12[/url][/QUOTE] Wow, first i thought you were a douche. You seem like a cool guy, well when you don't call newbies dumbasses. Thanks for your support! [editline]editline[/editline] EMERGENCY! So i installed Xubuntu on my moms netbook. Everything works but get this: "JAVA wont run in firefox, which makes it crash". She needs java to go into her Bank account online. Now i wen't to Ubuntu Software Center - and downloaded java, it would still not work. After some time it did work when i installed the "restricted areas" for Xubuntu. Found it on "LinuxQuestions" forum. Now it ran, but Firefox crashes when it launches the java applet. I uninstalled Java completely, now it just says that java is not installed. If any help, can you please just give me the terminal codes? I find them better than software center. ALSO! I did: [code]sudo apt-get update[/code] [code]sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts[/code] It just tells me that the packages does not exists? Need help badly, also soon as possible! And the extras i talked about: [code]sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras[/code]
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;35715623]I don't see what the hate is about with GNOME 3...It's different, sure, but I think it's becoming for the better.[/QUOTE] what is the point a desktop if I can't place files/icons on the damn desktop?!?!
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35719351]what is the point a desktop if I can't place files/icons on the damn desktop?!?![/QUOTE] You can.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35719351]what is the point a desktop if I can't place files/icons on the damn desktop?!?![/QUOTE] you must've jumped on the Ubuntu train when it was shipping with 3, anyone who has been using linux for longer than 3 has been out totally disagrees.
[QUOTE=Moofy;35717299]Wow, first i thought you were a douche. You seem like a cool guy, well when you don't call newbies dumbasses. Thanks for your support! [editline]editline[/editline] EMERGENCY! So i installed Xubuntu on my moms netbook. Everything works but get this: "JAVA wont run in firefox, which makes it crash". She needs java to go into her Bank account online. Now i wen't to Ubuntu Software Center - and downloaded java, it would still not work. After some time it did work when i installed the "restricted areas" for Xubuntu. Found it on "LinuxQuestions" forum. Now it ran, but Firefox crashes when it launches the java applet. I uninstalled Java completely, now it just says that java is not installed. If any help, can you please just give me the terminal codes? I find them better than software center. ALSO! I did: [code]sudo apt-get update[/code] [code]sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts[/code] It just tells me that the packages does not exists? Need help badly, also soon as possible! And the extras i talked about: [code]sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras[/code][/QUOTE] To install sun-java you have to add the partner repository because it was removed from the official AFAIK. You probably have to write something else than lucid in the first line. Write whatever the current Ubuntu codename is. Try this: [code] sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner" sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sudo update-alternatives --config java [/code] I found it here: [url]http://www.clickonf5.org/7777/how-install-sun-java-ubuntu-1004-lts/[/url] Otherwise you could try openjre. It is essentially Java except open. Don't know if it comes with a browser plug in though. If everything fails you can take a look here: [url]https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java[/url] and install it (sun-java and open) manually if you are up to it.
Does anyone happen to know how can I enable fingerprint authentication on Debian? I have a ThinkPad T61 and I'd like to use the fingerprint scanner.
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;35722322]Does anyone happen to know how can I enable fingerprint authentication on Debian? I have a ThinkPad T61 and I'd like to use the fingerprint scanner.[/QUOTE] There is this however it has been dead for a while, no harm in giving it a try: [url]http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_integrated_fingerprint_reader_with_ThinkFinger#Debian[/url]
[QUOTE=drblah;35721333]To install sun-java you have to add the partner repository because it was removed from the official AFAIK. You probably have to write something else than lucid in the first line. Write whatever the current Ubuntu codename is. Try this: [code] sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner" sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sudo update-alternatives --config java [/code] I found it here: [url]http://www.clickonf5.org/7777/how-install-sun-java-ubuntu-1004-lts/[/url] Otherwise you could try openjre. It is essentially Java except open. Don't know if it comes with a browser plug in though. If everything fails you can take a look here: [url]https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java[/url] and install it (sun-java and open) manually if you are up to it.[/QUOTE] q0q told me to try: [code]sudo apt-get install jre[/code] Will try your method if this wont work.
[QUOTE=drblah;35721333] Otherwise you could try openjre. It is essentially Java except open. Don't know if it comes with a browser plug in though. [/QUOTE] It does. The package name is along the lines of icedtea-web.
I know this may sound dumb, but how can I run Chrome on debian? Whatever I do, Chrome says it cannot run as root, even though I am not logged in as root.
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;35725798]I know this may sound dumb, but how can I run Chrome on debian? Whatever I do, Chrome says it cannot run as root, even though I am not logged in as root.[/QUOTE] What does "whoami" say?
root, even though I logged in as my normal user right after boot. Is it because I (have to) start "startx" as superuser? I need to either log in as root or sudo startx, else it won't work.
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;35729147]root, even though I logged in as my normal user right after boot. Is it because I (have to) start "startx" as superuser? I need to either log in as root or sudo startx, else it won't work.[/QUOTE] what do you get when you try startx as a non-root user?
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