General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Install Arch
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[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;35794208]Have you installed libtool and friends?[/QUOTE]
yep
[QUOTE=Richy19;35794229]yep[/QUOTE]
including automake and the autotools suite? Because I remember having the exact same problem before, I just don't remember how I fixed it.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;35794286]including automake and the autotools suite? Because I remember having the exact same problem before, I just don't remember how I fixed it.[/QUOTE]
Yea there all installed
[editline]2nd May 2012[/editline]
I was missing wx-common which provids the needed wxwin.m4 -___-
Don't know if i should sit down right now and get on with installing Arch.
I mean:
[QUOTE=FPtje;35772732]Should you really install Arch if you don't know what OS virtualisation is? I mean, if you don't know that, then you're likely not to know other important things related to operating systems, causing huge problems in understanding Arch Linux and solving the problems it can have.[/QUOTE]
This.
Should i just go for a more self-installing distro anyways?
[QUOTE=Moofy;35796341]
Should i just go for a more self-installing distro anyways?[/QUOTE]
Gotta learn how to walk before you can run.
[QUOTE=Van-man;35796377]Gotta learn how to walk before you can run.[/QUOTE]
So by saying that.. Simple distro?
[QUOTE=Moofy;35796781]So by saying that.. Simple distro?[/QUOTE]
Or something that's extremely well-documented down to the smallest detail, and has every possible scenario.
But that's just me.
[QUOTE=Moofy;35796781]So by saying that.. Simple distro?[/QUOTE]
I'd recommend you start with a distro, wich sets up everything for you(ex. ubuntu/fedora/openSUSE), and then if you feel confident, you can read up on the arch installation guide, and then install arch.
Arch Linux isn't that hard, it just needs some time to get used to it. You just need to manually configure and install things (ex. Xorg)
[QUOTE=kaukassus;35796963]I'd recommend you start with a distro, wich sets up everything for you(ex. ubuntu/fedora/openSUSE), and then if you feel confident, you can read up on the arch installation guide, and then install arch.
Arch Linux isn't that hard, it just needs some time to get used to it. You just need to manually configure and install things (ex. Xorg)[/QUOTE]
Xorg? I've never had any need for configuring that, except maybe for the keyboard layout, but there's applications you can install that allow you to change that during runtime.
It works pretty well out-of-the box I'd say.
[QUOTE=kaukassus;35796963]I'd recommend you start with a distro, wich sets up everything for you(ex. ubuntu/fedora/openSUSE), and then if you feel confident, you can read up on the arch installation guide, and then install arch.
Arch Linux isn't that hard, it just needs some time to get used to it. You just need to manually configure and install things (ex. Xorg)[/QUOTE]
What distro would you recommend then? For the more simpler one.
And i wan't to install Arch, just can't get it up in VirtualBox so i can "practice" it.
I'm just going to go against the current here and say something that might offend everyone here.
Are you ready?
Arch isn't necessarily "straight forward".
There, I said it. It is probably the most well documented distro I have ever used, but due to it's lack of drivers (this is actually a good thing, generally), you might have some problems on some hardware. For instance, I had trouble with Arch being unable to find the boot rom itself and I had to symbolically link the correct one to the one it had anticipated during boot.
It's awesome though.
I think that the best thing for you would be to install arch or whichever distro in a virtual machine. You can use VirtualBox or VMware. I am experienced with Virtualbox, I might be able to help you if you need help.
I do believe that we have (or used to) a thread describing how to install ubuntu or whatever distro in VirtualBox. Following the first steps should allow you to get your installation going (Setup virtual drives and mounting the ISO). After that you should be able to follow the Beginner's guide on arch's wiki.
The great thing about VMs is that you can play around them without the fear or massively fucking up something. That way, you can learn through experience without the risk of losing all your data.
You should also do some reading. The arch wiki and the gentoo handbook (or whatever it's called) are great resources. They will explain how certain things, like partitions should be done. If you want to know how something like partitions actually work, you should read up on wikipedia or some other sites (Wikipedia tends to be verbose and too in detail for a lot of people).
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;35797116]Xorg? I've never had any need for configuring that, except maybe for the keyboard layout, but there's applications you can install that allow you to change that during runtime.
It works pretty well out-of-the box I'd say.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, modern Xorg can auto detect most things, especially video modes and settings.
And the thing about keyboard layouts only really applies if you don't use the US QWERTY layout. :v:
[QUOTE=Moofy;35797179]What distro would you recommend then? For the more simpler one.
And i wan't to install Arch, just can't get it up in VirtualBox so i can "practice" it.[/QUOTE]
Workstation > Oracles crap
Use workstation it is loads more stable, the link I posted has a download and key for use till November 15th, use it.
Centos is a good distro that lets dig down into it but still has enough things built in so it is hard to "get stuck"
Time to install arch in a VM.
[editline]2nd May 2012[/editline]
[img]http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5109/screenshot2012050218491.png[/img]
Maybe I just won't install a graphical environmental to force myself to use the terminal.
I got Gentoo working, but I'm having problems getting slim to start up Xfce. Xfce works on it's own if I use 'startx', so it's a problem with connecting the two. What happens when I log in is it gives me a black screen with that large 'X' cursor. Here's my slim.conf (comments omitted to make it shorter)
[code]
default_path /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin
default_xserver /usr/bin/X
xserver_arguments -nolisten tcp -br -deferglyphs 16
halt_cmd /sbin/shutdown -h now
reboot_cmd /sbin/shutdown -r now
console_cmd /usr/bin/xterm -C -fg white -bg black +sb -T "Console login" -e /bin/sh -c "/bin/cat /etc/issue; exec /bin/login"
xauth_path /usr/bin/xauth
authfile /var/run/slim.auth
numlock on
login_cmd exec /bin/bash -login /usr/share/slim/Xsession %session
sessionstart_cmd /usr/bin/sessreg -a -l :0.0 %user
sessionstop_cmd /usr/bin/sessreg -d -l :0.0 %user
daemon yes
sessiondir /etc/X11/Sessions
screenshot_cmd import -window root /slim.png
welcome_msg Welcome to %host
shutdown_msg The system is halting...
reboot_msg The system is rebooting...
current_theme gentoo_10_dark
lockfile /var/run/slim.pid
logfile /var/log/slim.log
[/code]
/etc/env.d/90xsession
[code]
XSESSION="startxfce4"
[/code]
[QUOTE=neos300;35798726]Time to install arch in a VM.
[editline]2nd May 2012[/editline]
[img]http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5109/screenshot2012050218491.png[/img]
Maybe I just won't install a graphical environmental to force myself to use the terminal.[/QUOTE]
Don't use view
[url]http://communities.vmware.com/community/vmtn/beta/workstationtp2012[/url]
Workstation Beta is free
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35803376]Don't use view
[url]http://communities.vmware.com/community/vmtn/beta/workstationtp2012[/url]
Workstation Beta is free[/QUOTE]
Honestly, if people want to use their Virt-tool of their choice, then why bother telling them to change?
VMware-player and Virtualbox aren't that bad compared to workstation.
if they get the job done, then why change?
[QUOTE=kaukassus;35804071]Honestly, if people want to use their Virt-tool of their choice, then why bother telling them to change?
VMware-player and Virtualbox aren't that bad compared to workstation.
if they get the job done, then why change?[/QUOTE]
Because that 0,1% performance gain and those functions you're never gonna use are [I]SOOOO[/I] important.
[QUOTE=kaukassus;35804071]Honestly, if people want to use their Virt-tool of their choice, then why bother telling them to change?
VMware-player and Virtualbox aren't that bad compared to workstation.
if they get the job done, then why change?[/QUOTE]
Because the vSMP is much better as well as the page sharing and the hardware I/O support, sure if he wants a single core and no direct I/O control then virtual box is fine
[editline]3rd May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Van-man;35804868]Because that 0,1% performance gain and those functions you're never gonna use are [I]SOOOO[/I] important.[/QUOTE]
Do you even understand vSMP
I am just tired of Windows and Mac fanboys.
I like Linux because you can do so much with it, and it is [b]FREE[/b].
However i don't wan't to lose my GMOD and all the other games in my steam.
Buuuut, steam for Linux soon :dance:
Still, i don't wan't dualboot.
Good my life is a pain in the [del]anus[/del].
- Butt*
[QUOTE=Moofy;35810994]
I like Linux because you can do so much with it, and it is [b]FREE[/b].
[/QUOTE]
Linux fanboys are by far the most annoying people out there.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35811076]Linux fanboys are by far the most annoying people out there.[/QUOTE]
Why? I think the fact that you can do whatever the fuck you want with it is a pretty strong argument.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35811076]Linux fanboys are by far the most annoying people out there.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the constructive input?
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;35811140]Why? I think the fact that you can do whatever the fuck you want with it is a pretty strong argument.[/QUOTE]
When you work with servers you realize most the services do the same thing, sure unix is great, free, secure, and low resource. But people who go winB|0w$ sucks because you can't do anything never poked around much with windows. Most of the services you can customize pretty far, and usually run about the same assuming you don't next or /y everything.
For any desktop use I don't honestly understand the point of linux, you aren't going to be using a third of the features that makes linux great other than "free"
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35811410]When you work with servers you realize most the services do the same thing, sure unix is great, free, secure, and low resource. But people who go winB|0w$ sucks because you can't do anything never poked around much with windows. Most of the services you can customize pretty far, and usually run about the same assuming you don't next or /y everything.
For any desktop use I don't honestly understand the point of linux, you aren't going to be using a third of the features that makes linux great other than "free"[/QUOTE]
Actually, I am. I'm a desktop Linux user myself, and have been for years, and so is my fiancee. We're both customizing the shit out of Linux, and being able to recode a lot of shit really helps towards this goal. Also, removing unwanted features with Portage in Gentoo fucking rocks anyones socks way off.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35810926]Do you even understand vSMP[/QUOTE]
Considering the program is a limited time beta, I think I can live without.
Wake me up when VmWare Player has it, at-least there I won't have to worry about a time frame.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Beta"]And let's not forget[/URL]
I have Fedora and W7 installed. If I want to "refresh" my W7 install, how would I go about this? If I take the installation W7 CD and select my C partition, it should normally leave the Linux partition unharmed, right (since it's plain invisible to windows)?
And installing Ubuntu requires the same swap partitions as Fedora I guess? (not doing much with Fedora so might as well go back to Ubuntu).
Wow, arguments/discussions because of my opinion?
Not good :v:
I just love Linux, even tho' I'm not a pro at terminal etc.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35811410]When you work with servers you realize most the services do the same thing, sure unix is great, free, secure, and low resource. But people who go winB|0w$ sucks because you can't do anything never poked around much with windows. Most of the services you can customize pretty far, and usually run about the same assuming you don't next or /y everything.
For any desktop use I don't honestly understand the point of linux, you aren't going to be using a third of the features that makes linux great other than "free"[/QUOTE]
Generally the people using the "winB|0w$" or "micro$oft" terms are looked down upon and of course you can mess with Windows to make it do what you want, but I find that Linux is a lot easier to play with in terms of settings. If someone wants to use Windows or even Mac they can go right ahead if it suits their needs and the same goes for Linux.
There's also a lot of features that a Linux server doesn't use that a Linux desktop would use. It would be wise to note there's a difference between the two.
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