General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Install Arch
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[QUOTE=thirty9th;36241089]I am confused about the difference between themes, window themes and GTK+ themes in Linux Mint 13.
I understand that I can download and install themes for the panel in Linux Mint 13 (e.g. Holo, ICS, Minty), but none of these change the windows, so they're pretty pointless to me.
I see that the 'Window themes' option sort of changes some aspects of the windows, but all the built-in themes besides Mint-Z are quite ugly.
In addition, I see that the 'GTK+ themes' option changes some aspects of the windows, but again, all the built-in themes are ugly or don't match the panel theme I have.
TL;DR Where/how can I get and install window themes for Linux Mint 13 (w/ Cinnamon)? I know how to change the theme of the panel and menu.[/QUOTE]
Check out [url]http://gnome-look.org/[/url] for themes. You should look at the GTK 3.x section for GTK themes and Metacity for window themes.
[QUOTE=IpHa;36247913]Check out [url]http://gnome-look.org/[/url] for themes. You should look at the GTK 3.x section for GTK themes and Metacity for window themes.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the resource.
Though it does seem kind of unintuitive to me to have the interface broken up into GTK, window and Cinnamon themes.
The devs probably had a reason for it, I suppose.
are there any disadvantages with using Ubuntu and XFCE4, like, is there a difference if i use a less beginner oriented distro? I'm pretty good with linux so not the easiness side of things, but like, is there a distro i could use that would make my experience better? and if so, how would it make it better?
[QUOTE=thirty9th;36248283]Thanks for the resource.
Though it does seem kind of unintuitive to me to have the interface broken up into GTK, window and Cinnamon themes.
The devs probably had a reason for it, I suppose.[/QUOTE]
It makes sense when you think about what each part does:
- GTK is the toolkit used to draw window content
- Metacity is a separate program that draws the window titlebar/border and controls movement and positioning
- Cinnamon is yet another program drawing the tool bars and menus.
It may seem like a good idea to make a unified theme, but not every distro is using the same GTK+Metacity+Cinnamon combination. Ubuntu, for example, uses GTK+Metacity+Unity, Kubuntu uses QT+Kwin, Xubuntu uses GTK+Xfwm.
There are just too many combinations that a user could be using to create a common theme file.
[QUOTE=LieutenantLeo;36248707]are there any disadvantages with using Ubuntu and XFCE4, like, is there a difference if i use a less beginner oriented distro? I'm pretty good with linux so not the easiness side of things, but like, is there a distro i could use that would make my experience better? and if so, how would it make it better?[/QUOTE]
Arch Linux comments inbound.
[QUOTE=Van-man;36249049]Arch Linux comments inbound.[/QUOTE]
i've already tried arch and it got all fucked up. i'm not interested in arch.
[QUOTE=LieutenantLeo;36249786]i've already tried arch and it got all fucked up. i'm not interested in arch.[/QUOTE]
You said, that you are pretty good with Linux. Configuring Arch should not be a problem for people like you then.
[QUOTE=Foxconn;36249918]You said, that you are pretty good with Linux. Configuring Arch should not be a problem for people like you then.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=LieutenantLeo;36249786]i've already tried arch and it got all fucked up. i'm not interested in arch.[/QUOTE]
You cant say your not "good" with linux and not be able to configure Arch.
They are all mean against me in the facepunch generosity thread.
You guys in here are nice<3
I just feel outside because I have no Linux shit to post at the moment here.
Linux wouldnt be Linux without its friendly community.
[QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;36251909]Linux wouldnt be Linux without its friendly community.[/QUOTE]
And, as usual, without a group of raging windows fanboys too.
i CONFIGURED arch fine, about 3 months into using it, it just broke and wouldn't install packages or anything and just xfce stopped working and it was a mess. I can install arch fine.
[QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;36251909]Linux wouldnt be Linux without its friendly community.[/QUOTE]
Go tell them in the generosity thread to be like Linux users.
[QUOTE=LieutenantLeo;36252218]i CONFIGURED arch fine, about 3 months into using it, it just broke and wouldn't install packages or anything and just xfce stopped working and it was a mess. I can install arch fine.[/QUOTE]
Why didn't you install any other DE then? MATE is good, Cinnamon is good, LXDE is good, Openbox is good, for hell's sake...Or maybe just a simple "pacman -Syu" would be able to solve your problem, but NOOOOOO, it has broken itself and it is not gonna be repaired because YOU, mister, are too lazy to write the simplest command EVER and have some time outside while it is fixing itself up!
[QUOTE=Foxconn;36252366]Why didn't you install any other DE then? MATE is good, Cinnamon is good, LXDE is good, Openbox is good, for hell's sake...Or maybe just a simple "pacman -Syu" would be able to solve your problem, but NOOOOOO, it has broken itself and it is not gonna be repaired because YOU, mister, are too lazy to write the simplest command EVER and have some time outside while it is fixing itself up![/QUOTE]
mate and cinnamon weren't out and xorg was broke too. and plus i couldn't INSTALL MOST PACKAGES
[QUOTE=LieutenantLeo;36254011]mate and cinnamon weren't out and xorg was broke too. and plus i couldn't INSTALL MOST PACKAGES[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing you just updated once a month, that isn't enough , you need to do it every week or stuff breaks
Bongs, questions!
Okay so I want more customization to my Cinnamon. Anything? Maybe just some CPU useage on my desktop, it feels "too empty". Anything?
Also, as I said when summer hits i am going to try Arch maybe. I wan't openbox. But what is so speical about it?
Try conky
[QUOTE=Moofy;36261306]Bongs, questions!
Okay so I want more customization to my Cinnamon. Anything? Maybe just some CPU useage on my desktop, it feels "too empty". Anything?
Also, as I said when summer hits i am going to try Arch maybe. I wan't openbox. But what is so speical about it?[/QUOTE]
Using Openbox gives you just the window manager and a right click menu, so you have to install the panel, file manager, widgets, etc yourself. The nice thing is it allows you to mix and match the extra stuff to whatever you like without grabbing the large packages for a DE.
[QUOTE=Niteshifter;36264544]Using Openbox gives you just the window manager and a right click menu, so you have to install the panel, file manager, widgets, etc yourself. The nice thing is it allows you to mix and match the extra stuff to whatever you like without grabbing the large packages for a DE.[/QUOTE]
So it's a bit like making your own DE?
[QUOTE=Moofy;36264622]So it's a bit like making your own DE?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, pretty much like that but getting openbox right is a lot easier than programming and painting a DE from scratch. :L
Hey, I've been thinking about getting completely rid of Windows from my laptop but my studies require me to use about 5 programs that are Windows only, currently I'm dual booting W7 and Debian and I only use Windows to play some games and the school work but with Steam coming soon to Linux I really see no reason to stick with Windows anymore except for my studies so I was wondering wouldn't it be possible to just run Windows in a virtual environment? Does anyone have any experience with that? Any problems?
It really depends on the programs you want to use in that virtual environment. I would personally keep the dualboot setup, but the virtualization is likely a viable option. Also, keep in mind that Steam for Linux won't release for a while. The first time we saw it was 2010 and Valve is pretty secretive, so we realistically don't know how far along it is.
[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;36267424]It really depends on the programs you want to use in that virtual environment. I would personally keep the dualboot setup, but the virtualization is likely a viable option. Also, keep in mind that Steam for Linux won't release for a while. The first time we saw it was 2010 and Valve is pretty secretive, so we realistically don't know how far along it is.[/QUOTE]
Yes, well games aren't really of any major importance so I can wait with that. My main problem is though when I swap over to Windows and finish my work, I tend to stay there. Too troublesome to be constantly restarting in my opinion, kinda loses the whole point of even having Linux.
Hey guys, open source is theft! Or so this person claims:
[QUOTE]PROJECT MAGENTA IS LINUX-BASED MOBILE OS THAT AIMS TO REPLICATE IOS ON GENERIC HARDWARE. SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE COPYRIGHT THEFT.
Dear Open Source proponents: If this is not conclusive proof that what you do is derivative, immoral and verges on out and out copyright and intellectual property theft, I don’t know what it is. I have said over and over in the past that almost the entire FOSS movement is merely a group of copyright and intellectual copyright thieves that hide themselves under the banners of “hobbyists” and “Social Good.”
One has to wonder how many of the FOSS products that are currently out there owe their existence to the hard work of software engineers that worked hard to produce a product only to have it stolen and distributed by the FOSS crowd.
Every Adobe Product became GIMP something or another
Every MS Office Product became Open Office
Blackboard became Moodle
Graphic User Interface became whatever current Linux version you are using
and on and on and on.
Theft is theft whether you do it under the guise of “doing a social service” or just wanting to not pay for something.
I see little difference between the FOSS movement and making Xerox copies of best selling books and handing them out for free in front of Barnes and Noble.
Thanks for giving our students a nice example of socially acceptable copyright infringement.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://holtthink.tumblr.com/post/24819636772[/url]
[QUOTE=Ezhik;36274584]Hey guys, open source is theft! Or so this person claims:
[url]http://holtthink.tumblr.com/post/24819636772[/url][/QUOTE]
Uh
he should try writing the source code to GIMP, Open Office, Moodle, the Linux Kernel, or whatever else he thinks is theft
[QUOTE=Ezhik;36274584]Hey guys, open source is theft! Or so this person claims:
[url]http://holtthink.tumblr.com/post/24819636772[/url][/QUOTE]
This is a joke right :v: please tell me it's a joke...
[editline]10th June 2012[/editline]
Nevermind, I read a few more posts on his blog.
Out of the dumb things he's posted, this is the one that annoys me the most since I've seen people in IT that have actually used Linux before get this confused all the time.
[quote]Graphic User Interface became whatever current Linux version you are using[/quote]
The GUI is not a Linux version, it is a GUI.
I hate to be "that guy," but I'm trying to figure out what a good distro would be for me. I've been considering Ubuntu, Fedora, and Arch. I've never used Linux extensively, but I have used Ubuntu in the past and simply retreated back to Windows after a month, just because of the convenience offered and for the games.
I am now on a laptop, find myself doing more basic tasks and Ruby development. I'm playing less games, though I still plan on dual booting Windows for the few games and applications I do have that do not work on Linux. I mostly want the speed and security Linux has to offer.
[b]Specs[/b]
2.53 GHz Intel Core i5 M460
4GB, 1066 MHz DDR3
640GB 5,400rpm
Nvidia GeForce 310M + Intel GMA HD (Nvidia Optimus)
What GUIs do you guys recommend? I mostly just here about Gnome, which looks attractive.
Debian with xfce+openbox
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