General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Install Arch
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If anyone is interested in using a console font (.psf/.psfu) in x11, I was finally able to get it working.
Turns out you have to follow a pretty strict naming convention with X11 and it was unusually difficult to find out the codepage for ISO8895-1 :v:
Whats up with "Vineyard"?
Just saw it in a video, I told myself that WINE was the answer, but then I remembered playonlinux.
Also getting steam and games TROUGH steam on Linux, how good is it with that? Because I still would like.. Hmm.. Let's say TF2 with steam so I can get invites and check up on friends playing it right now and all that. It's just those simple little things that makes me take a step away from using Linux as my main OS. But I like it what so ever, everything on my laptop is so brilliant with it!
[QUOTE=KaylaB;36783883]Anyone else held back from using a Linux distro as a primary OS ONLY by video games? :v:[/QUOTE]
I'm using Windows as a secondary OS for games.
[QUOTE=Moofy;36787596]Whats up with "Vineyard"?
Just saw it in a video, I told myself that WINE was the answer, but then I remembered playonlinux.
Also getting steam and games TROUGH steam on Linux, how good is it with that? Because I still would like.. Hmm.. Let's say TF2 with steam so I can get invites and check up on friends playing it right now and all that. It's just those simple little things that makes me take a step away from using Linux as my main OS. But I like it what so ever, everything on my laptop is so brilliant with it![/QUOTE]
Installing games with steam by using wine is just like Windows. The only real difference is you may need to get some new libraries via winetricks or you might need to set a new prefix via playonlinux depending on the game you're installing. The way I do it is I check winehq to see how well the game will perform and install it according to the information the winehq page shows.
[QUOTE=Niteshifter;36788892]Installing games with steam by using wine is just like Windows. The only real difference is you may need to get some new libraries via winetricks or you might need to set a new prefix via playonlinux depending on the game you're installing. The way I do it is I check winehq to see how well the game will perform and install it according to the information the winehq page shows.[/QUOTE]
But winehq does not show how good the program/game is via steam?
Or am I incorrect?
[editline]16th July 2012[/editline]
Oh wait, so if the game version says steam it means that it will run trough steam as the rank it got I guess. (garbage, bronze, silver, gold, platinum).
Steam just tells the game to run, so you don't really need to check if the version is steam either; just if the version is the most updated. The only real thing that Steam does to the game is add the shift+tab overlay.
A good example of this is [url=http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=25034]Deus Ex: Human Revolution[/url]. Winehq shows no Steam version for this game, so the latest version was chosen instead. The rating is also Bronze, however the comments show to add a patch and it works almost flawlessly except for a few shadow glitches as shown in this video. I can also vouch for this method since I was able to play through a bit of it perfectly (the only problem was my computer couldn't handle it, so it was laggy).
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu-ry5A7fa4[/media]
Do you guys think Linux Mint will be able to use the Ubuntu Steam Packages? Linux Mint is a derivative of Ubuntu, isn't it?
[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;36810834]Do you guys think Linux Mint will be able to use the Ubuntu Steam Packages? Linux Mint is a derivative of Ubuntu, isn't it?[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure it'll work fine. If not, expect to see some simple ports pretty quickly after the release.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;36810907]I'm pretty sure it'll work fine. If not, expect to see some simple ports pretty quickly after the release.[/QUOTE]
Ok, thanks for the fast response :D
I would think valve would also release a tarball as well as the .deb for other distros to port it to theirs.
[QUOTE=Niteshifter;36813249]I would think valve would also release a tarball as well as the .deb for other distros to port it to theirs.[/QUOTE]
If they won't it's pretty trivial to extract the .deb and transform it into an usable package for, say, Arch.
In fact that'd mostly involve moving out some excess files in the PKGBUILD.
Guys, I'm not sure if some other source mentions this but I have confirmation that Wine is NOT involved in any of this VALVe Linux business.
Some people had concerns that we would just get a shit port of their Windows build with a bunch of Wine patches (since it would still be technically "native") - this won't be the case.
[QUOTE=gparent;36813920]Guys, I'm not sure if some other source mentions this but I have confirmation that Wine is NOT involved in any of this VALVe Linux business.
Some people had concerns that we would just get a shit port of their Windows build with a bunch of Wine patches (since it would still be technically "native") - this won't be the case.[/QUOTE]
Valve aren't the type to do a half assed job so they wouldn't use wine anyway
[QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;36814128]Valve aren't the type to do a half assed job so they wouldn't use wine anyway[/QUOTE]
Oh I trust VALVe, but it's always refreshing to confirm what you expect to be the case :)
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I need to read.
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Getting my server up and running so I can host all the packages for my linux distro.
[QUOTE=gparent;36813920]Guys, I'm not sure if some other source mentions this but I have confirmation that Wine is NOT involved in any of this VALVe Linux business.
Some people had concerns that we would just get a shit port of their Windows build with a bunch of Wine patches (since it would still be technically "native") - this won't be the case.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they allow TransGaming ports (basically wine) in Mac Steam.
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=esalaka;36813504]If they won't it's pretty trivial to extract the .deb and transform it into an usable package for, say, Arch.
In fact that'd mostly involve moving out some excess files in the PKGBUILD.[/QUOTE]
The only pain is if they do what the Spotify Linux client does and use old as shit OpenSSL 0.9.8 when your distro is halfway up to date and has OpenSSL 1.0
It works, but you have to symlink the libssl10.so to libssl0.9.8.so.
SO, having given up on getting a decent laptop with Linux or no OS whatsoever, I am eyeing [I]this[/I] very closely.
[url]http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1819310&CatId=17[/url]
It is also listed on [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246311]Newegg[/url] but deactivated, and that site gives it some swimming reviews.
I like it because it's got a 1600x900 screen, and it's a Lenovo and they're supposed to have good mechanical-esque keyboards - I tried the Lenovo keyboards at Best Buy and loved them. Furthermore, it's on sale to the point of costing less than the refurbished version.
[img]http://images.highspeedbackbone.net/skuimages/large/T71-173100_chiclet01_aa_1819310.jpg[/img]
I plan to use it for Web browsing and school and shit on the go, using Ubuntu 12.04. I'll probably keep Windows on a separate drive, but won't do much gaming. I might try running LA Noire on them Intel HD 3000 graphics on low, but that's just because I bought it on Steam and it won't run on my Windows 8 gaming PC. Very low priority.
Y'all think it's a good purchase?
[QUOTE=neos300;36815151]Getting my server up and running so I can host all the packages for my linux distro.[/QUOTE]
Could you give some details about your distro?
[QUOTE=TheCreeper;36816781]Could you give some details about your distro?[/QUOTE]
Arch-like, but you have to configure your own kernel (because I don't know how to make a kernel like the other distros that will work on multiple computers)
Currently it's x86_64 only, but that's just because I haven't gotten around to cross compiling yet.
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
The name is Astro Linux
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
I'm also planning a lot more choice than arch (eg. busybox instead of coreutils, possibly ulibc rather than glibc) so it might be possible to not call it GNU/Linux (even if you're a stickler)
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
It will prompt your on installation for what you want to install.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36816672]SO, having given up on getting a decent laptop with Linux or no OS whatsoever, I am eyeing [I]this[/I] very closely.
[url]http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1819310&CatId=17[/url]
It is also listed on [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246311]Newegg[/url] but deactivated, and that site gives it some swimming reviews.
I like it because it's got a 1600x900 screen, and it's a Lenovo and they're supposed to have good mechanical-esque keyboards - I tried the Lenovo keyboards at Best Buy and loved them. Furthermore, it's on sale to the point of costing less than the refurbished version.
[img]http://images.highspeedbackbone.net/skuimages/large/T71-173100_chiclet01_aa_1819310.jpg[/img]
I plan to use it for Web browsing and school and shit on the go, using Ubuntu 12.04. I'll probably keep Windows on a separate drive, but won't do much gaming. I might try running LA Noire on them Intel HD 3000 graphics on low, but that's just because I bought it on Steam and it won't run on my Windows 8 gaming PC. Very low priority.
Y'all think it's a good purchase?[/QUOTE]
Why couldn't you get one of these?
[url]https://www.system76.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=neos300;36817359]Arch-like, but you have to configure your own kernel (because I don't know how to make a kernel like the other distros that will work on multiple computers)
Currently it's x86_64 only, but that's just because I haven't gotten around to cross compiling yet.
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
The name is Astro Linux
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
I'm also planning a lot more choice than arch (eg. busybox instead of coreutils, possibly ulibc rather than glibc) so it might be possible to not call it GNU/Linux (even if you're a stickler)
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
It will prompt your on installation for what you want to install.[/QUOTE]
That actually sounds great. I have a spare SD card for my raspberry pi; I don't know if you could cross-compile onto ARM and do some checks in the package manager for platform specific requirements (in fact I'm completely ignorant as to the amount of work that would be required to support the pi) but it sounds like a slim distro for a slim device. Keep us updated :v:
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
Also does anyone else use suckless.org's surf browser? If so do you know any way to avoid the mouse completely yet easily find and follow links?
[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;36818866]
Also does anyone else use suckless.org's surf browser? If so do you know any way to avoid the mouse completely yet easily find and follow links?[/QUOTE]
you should check out DWB, has vi-like shortcuts and it's a pretty lightweight browser [url]http://portix.bitbucket.org/dwb/[/url]
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;36818865]Why couldn't you get one of these?
[url]https://www.system76.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
Shaving money off by not paying for a Windows license kind of loses its purpose when the cheapest laptop on that site is $200 more than the laptop I got, which has arguably better features that I need. (keyboard, 1600x900).
I really would love to contribute to a site like that though.
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
I already ordered the Lenovo anyway. Zorlok gave his seal of approval.
[url]https://e17releasemanager.wordpress.com/[/url]
Well, shit, they're finally pushing for an e17 release and squashing bugs left and right.
(And some of the bugs are quite amusing, might be worth scrolling through the blog :v:)
[quote]This was a confusing bug: the keyboard search buffer wasn’t showing up for ilist widgets. We have a search buffer for ilist widgets??? Apparently someone added it a few years back and nobody ever noticed. Probably because it was INVISIBLE. Yeah, an invisible search widget: that’s super useful.[/quote] For example..
New OS for Raspberry Pi.
[url]http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1605[/url]
It runs a bit faster now compared to Debian Squeeze.
[QUOTE=hpqoeu;36818954]you should check out DWB, has vi-like shortcuts and it's a pretty lightweight browser [url]http://portix.bitbucket.org/dwb/[/url][/QUOTE]
That looks perfect, just like surf but with easier navigation (and a few extras)
[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;36818866]That actually sounds great. I have a spare SD card for my raspberry pi; I don't know if you could cross-compile onto ARM and do some checks in the package manager for platform specific requirements (in fact I'm completely ignorant as to the amount of work that would be required to support the pi) but it sounds like a slim distro for a slim device. Keep us updated :v:
[editline]17th July 2012[/editline]
Also does anyone else use suckless.org's surf browser? If so do you know any way to avoid the mouse completely yet easily find and follow links?[/QUOTE]
With any luck it should be possible as long as gcc, glibc, some other libraries and make are portable to ARM.
Then I just have to compile all the packages again.
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