General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Install Arch
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[QUOTE=esalaka;37084112]
Basically Linux is often perceived as an inferior OS because when people who don't understand the technical details look at something, they judge it based on the exterior. And for many, that exterior is perceived to be a terminal.
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People fear Linux once they hear they can't install [insert favorite windows app].
[QUOTE=snuwoods;37085758]People fear Linux once they hear they can't install [insert favorite windows app].[/QUOTE]
It's the inexplicable, wholly irrational fear of even considering the use of a different operating system that astounds me. People usually want to be the first of their friends to have whatever new garbage android app there is, yet they aren't prepared to install the kernel which their phone runs off of. People are generally intransigent blowhards.
[editline]4th August 2012[/editline]
This isn't directed at anyone in this thread. Unless you're an intransigent blowhard.
i'm not, but I [b]did[/b] have to look up with "intransigent" means.
[QUOTE=snuwoods;37085758]People fear Linux once they hear they can't install [insert favorite windows app].[/QUOTE]
in my experience people fear linux because its different from Windows or OS X
everyone I've talked to basically assumes you need to know C, Java, and need to be a full-on neckbeard to use it.
Granted, the last one helps a lot...
[QUOTE=Lyoko774;37088457]everyone I've talked to basically assumes you need to know C, Java, and need to be a full-on neckbeard to use it.
Granted, the last one helps a lot...[/QUOTE]
God dammit.
I have a neckbeard.
I only have experience with Ubuntu, so please bear with me. I've tried Crunchbang for a couple of weeks now, and I like it. However, I can't execute programs in the menu because it requires Sudo to run. Adding -Sudo to the Start doesn't seem to work.
[QUOTE=Waterrmelonn;37090112]I only have experience with Ubuntu, so please bear with me. I've tried Crunchbang for a couple of weeks now, and I like it. However, I can't execute programs in the menu because it requires Sudo to run. Adding -Sudo to the Start doesn't seem to work.[/QUOTE]
If you're going to start a program with sudo, run it from the terminal. Sudo is a command-line application, otherwise you'd probably want to use gksudo.
Using Openbox btw, I tried inputting gksudo before the line, but it says the user does not exist.
[QUOTE=Waterrmelonn;37090247]Using Openbox btw, I tried inputting gksudo before the line, but it says the user does not exist.[/QUOTE]
Did you log in as the user, then execute "gksudo [COMMAND]"?
And from the "this-will-never-fucking-work" department, I bring to you Bedrock Linux:
[URL]http://opensource.osu.edu/~paradigm/bedrock/[/URL]
Apparently it's some sort of weird mutant freak, where some people took the package managers from Arch, Gentoo and Ubuntu, slapped them onto some base and then they hope it works.
Slashdot article: [URL]http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/08/05/1211244/bedrock-linux-combines-benefits-of-other-linux-distros[/URL]
Didn't bother looking at it too much, probably because it will most likely die within the month or so.
If it actually works, fuck, I'll so use that. Cutting-edge software from Arch repo's, but software aimed at Ubuntu will work (shit like Steam etc.)
Well, let them have their fun.
And fun they shall have when they realise dpkg is unlikely to start working and pacman is likely to stop working. (Because pacman refuses to touch files that are unversioned in pacman, you'd have to wrap every package from another package manager into a makepkg'd one.)
From what I read from some random Slashdot comment, apparently it's just LFS with different bullshit in chroot's.
I have no idea how that's supposed to work.
Wait, so... you're running off several separate roots? Why would you ever DO that? Also, what about programs you need on every root? Do you have to install them separately? What's the priority of each /usr/bin for $PATH? Will binaries from different repos play well with each other?
I was trying to install Crunchbang to a new partition earlier - worked fine up until partitioning.
Wouldn't let me resize my main (1TB) windows partition to install it.
Just gave me a generic error, no error code.
Anyone know why?
If it helps, my 1TB partition was originally Truecrypted but no longer is - and the 105mb secondary partition can be resized fine.
I've got very little understanding of Linux and I seem to think of things from a Windows point of view if I ever use Linux, which might not always be the best thing to do, but I've always wondered; where do .deb packages install their files to for the program installed? (I'm thinking in terms of windows installer programs and how they install their files to their respective folder in Program Files).
I've been using Mint recently (and some old versions of Ubuntu before that) so I'm wondering in terms of Debian then if it changes per distro, I suppose.
[QUOTE=SataniX;37092239]I was trying to install Crunchbang to a new partition earlier - worked fine up until partitioning.
Wouldn't let me resize my main (1TB) windows partition to install it.
Just gave me a generic error, no error code.
Anyone know why?
If it helps, my 1TB partition was originally Truecrypted but no longer is - and the 105mb secondary partition can be resized fine.[/QUOTE]
Try resizing and setting up the partitions using GParted Live.
[QUOTE=Hizan;37092293]I've got very little understanding of Linux and I seem to think of things from a Windows point of view if I ever use Linux, which might not always be the best thing to do, but I've always wondered; where do .deb packages install their files to for the program installed? (I'm thinking in terms of windows installer programs and how they install their files to their respective folder in Program Files).
I've been using Mint recently (and some old versions of Ubuntu before that) so I'm wondering in terms of Debian then if it changes per distro, I suppose.[/QUOTE]
See this?
[img]http://gyazo.com/d724f932c781e6600a41dbd82845ae67.png?1344188873[/img]
Packages install their libraries in the lib folders, configuration in the etc folder and most of the application files in the usr folder.
I'm not 100% sure though, but packages scatter their files to their respective folders. I think.
Proper explanation of Bedrock Linux found here:
[url]http://opensource.osu.edu/~paradigm/bedrock/introduction.html[/url]
I recommend at least looking at the real-world examples they have listed, now I'm really interested.
[QUOTE=supervoltage;37092409]See this?
[img]http://gyazo.com/d724f932c781e6600a41dbd82845ae67.png?1344188873[/img]
Packages install their libraries in the lib folders, configuration in the etc folder and most of the application files in the usr folder.
I'm not 100% sure though, but packages scatter their files to their respective folders. I think.[/QUOTE]
This is true.
User dependant configuration files are then stored in either $HOME/.[APPLICATION] or .config/[APPLICATION].
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;37092605]This is true.
User dependant configuration files are then stored in either $HOME/.[APPLICATION] or .config/[APPLICATION].[/QUOTE]
Am I the only one who wishes that more packages default to .config, rather than cluttering up my $HOME? It just seems like it could be a de-facto standard.
[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;37092684]Am I the only one who wishes that more packages default to .config, rather than cluttering up my $HOME? It just seems like it could be a de-facto standard.[/QUOTE]
Isn't it the standard? I've always thought of it as being a standard. I prefer all my configuration files to be stored under .config, all the caches under .cache. Anything else (if anything is left) MAY be stored elsewere, such as .[APPLICATION] (Such as user dependant game installation, storing the game under .NAME)
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;37092718]Isn't it the standard? I've always thought of it as being a standard. I prefer all my configuration files to be stored under .config, all the caches under .cache. Anything else (if anything is left) MAY be stored elsewere, such as .[APPLICATION] (Such as user dependant game installation, storing the game under .NAME)[/QUOTE]
I have more .APP's than I have folders in .config is all I mean to say; not enough applications follow the .config convention.
I don't know Linux too well and my mom gave me an HP pavillion dv9000 and we've installed OpenSUSE on it.
My main issue right now is the wlan network card is getting seen by the system, and it shows that there are drivers being used; but when I search for the router or enter the information manually it won't see the connection.
Any ideas? My mother suggested looking for an NDIS wrapper but she's leaving the fixing of the machine up to me; but I'm not entirely sure where to start here.
[QUOTE=Lebowski;37093376]I don't know Linux too well and my mom gave me an HP pavillion dv9000 and we've installed OpenSUSE on it.
My main issue right now is the wlan network card is getting seen by the system, and it shows that there are drivers being used; but when I search for the router or enter the information manually it won't see the connection.
Any ideas? My mother suggested looking for an NDIS wrapper but she's leaving the fixing of the machine up to me; but I'm not entirely sure where to start here.[/QUOTE]
I've used "ndiswrapper" on several occasions and have it work very well, but I guess it's as much perfection as wine is. I guess.
But it's pretty much hit and miss trying to help you, if you don't specify the hardware with which the problem is.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;37093440]I've used "ndiswrapper" on several occasions and have it work very well, but I guess it's as much perfection as wine is. I guess.
But it's pretty much hit and miss trying to help you, if you don't specify the hardware with which the problem is.[/QUOTE]
Alright; I'll find out the correct chipset; I at least have a place to start. Thanks.
I have this really odd problem with my system.
When I play TF2 (through wine) sometimes my system will just freeze up. I'm not sure what's causing it.
What usually happens is that my keyboard and mouse become unresponsive. Nothing registers (including CTRL-ALT-BKSP). Everything else works. The game continues to run and audio is fine. After a few seconds the audio will go to shit and stop or start repeating the same little soundclip over and over. I think that my display also stops working eventually.
I tried to look through my logs after I reset the system. I didn't find anything suspicious. I do get these cups related errors from samba, but I don't think they're the problem.
I tried disconnecting and reconnecting my keyboard, mouse, headset (it's a USB headset and X sees the controls as a keyboard) but nothing came back. I tried waiting it out, but that didn't do much either.
Samba errors:
[code]
Aug 5 16:07:48 localhost smbd[1461]: [2012/08/05 16:07:48.714871, 0] printing/print_cups.c:110(cups_connect)
Aug 5 16:07:48 localhost smbd[1461]: Unable to connect to CUPS server /var/run/cups/cups.sock:631 - No such file or directory
Aug 5 16:07:48 localhost smbd[685]: [2012/08/05 16:07:48.715126, 0] printing/print_cups.c:487(cups_async_callback)
Aug 5 16:07:48 localhost smbd[685]: failed to retrieve printer list: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
Aug 5 16:20:49 localhost smbd[1495]: [2012/08/05 16:20:49.251636, 0] printing/print_cups.c:110(cups_connect)
Aug 5 16:20:49 localhost smbd[1495]: Unable to connect to CUPS server /var/run/cups/cups.sock:631 - No such file or directory
Aug 5 16:20:49 localhost smbd[685]: [2012/08/05 16:20:49.251837, 0] printing/print_cups.c:487(cups_async_callback)
Aug 5 16:20:49 localhost smbd[685]: failed to retrieve printer list: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
Aug 5 16:33:49 localhost smbd[1563]: [2012/08/05 16:33:49.822770, 0] printing/print_cups.c:110(cups_connect)
Aug 5 16:33:49 localhost smbd[1563]: Unable to connect to CUPS server /var/run/cups/cups.sock:631 - No such file or directory
Aug 5 16:33:49 localhost smbd[685]: [2012/08/05 16:33:49.823037, 0] printing/print_cups.c:487(cups_async_callback)
Aug 5 16:33:49 localhost smbd[685]: failed to retrieve printer list: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
Aug 5 16:46:50 localhost smbd[1576]: [2012/08/05 16:46:50.424472, 0] printing/print_cups.c:110(cups_connect)
Aug 5 16:46:50 localhost smbd[1576]: Unable to connect to CUPS server /var/run/cups/cups.sock:631 - No such file or directory
Aug 5 16:46:50 localhost smbd[685]: [2012/08/05 16:46:50.424676, 0] printing/print_cups.c:487(cups_async_callback)
Aug 5 16:46:50 localhost smbd[685]: failed to retrieve printer list: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
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For anyone who want's to watch the Curiosity lander tonight on NASA tv, but doesn't want to use the flash player, I've put together a script that will download the iPad stream and play it in mplayer:
[code]#!/bin/bash
saveto="."
filename="$saveto/NASA-TV-HD.`date +%y%m%d-%s`"
httpurl='http://nasahd-i.akamaihd.net/hls/live/203739/NASATV1_iOS_HD/Wifi.m3u8'
#Get initial file
nextfile=$(curl -s $httpurl | grep '.ts' | tail -1)
echo -n $nextfile
curl -s "$nextfile" >> $filename.ts
echo "done"
lastfile="$nextfile"
mplayer -quiet $filename.ts &
while true; do
nextfile=$(curl -s $httpurl | grep '.ts' | tail -1)
if [ "$nextfile" != "$lastfile" ]; then
echo -n "$nextfile"
curl -s "$nextfile" >> $filename.ts
echo "done"
lastfile="$nextfile"
fi
#File list updates every 10 seconds, but don't want to sleep too long and miss an update!
sleep 1
done[/code]
(credit to Naito on the nasaspaceflight.com forums for the original code)
EDIT: Someone on reddit found a better way, not sure where this stream came from though:
[code]mplayer "http://nasa-f.akamaihd.net/public_h264_700@54826"[/code]
Finding the correct chipset lead me to someone else on google having the same issue that I was having with the same chipset on openSUSE 11.1 and it was simply that additional firmware needed to be installed.
Then it still wouldn't work; then while we were fussing over it I thought I'd give turning the physical switch on and off, and when it came back on it was working. Coo.
This post was posted on windows 7; this edit was made in openSUSE
hueheuheueh
[editline]5th August 2012[/editline]
webcam works too
microphone as well
[QUOTE=Boris-B;37094599]I have this really odd problem with my system.
When I play TF2 (through wine) sometimes my system will just freeze up. I'm not sure what's causing it.
What usually happens is that my keyboard and mouse become unresponsive. Nothing registers (including CTRL-ALT-BKSP). Everything else works. The game continues to run and audio is fine. After a few seconds the audio will go to shit and stop or start repeating the same little soundclip over and over. I think that my display also stops working eventually.
I tried to look through my logs after I reset the system. I didn't find anything suspicious. I do get these cups related errors from samba, but I don't think they're the problem.
I tried disconnecting and reconnecting my keyboard, mouse, headset (it's a USB headset and X sees the controls as a keyboard) but nothing came back. I tried waiting it out, but that didn't do much either.
Samba errors:
[code]
Aug 5 16:07:48 localhost smbd[1461]: [2012/08/05 16:07:48.714871, 0] printing/print_cups.c:110(cups_connect)
Aug 5 16:07:48 localhost smbd[1461]: Unable to connect to CUPS server /var/run/cups/cups.sock:631 - No such file or directory
Aug 5 16:07:48 localhost smbd[685]: [2012/08/05 16:07:48.715126, 0] printing/print_cups.c:487(cups_async_callback)
Aug 5 16:07:48 localhost smbd[685]: failed to retrieve printer list: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
Aug 5 16:20:49 localhost smbd[1495]: [2012/08/05 16:20:49.251636, 0] printing/print_cups.c:110(cups_connect)
Aug 5 16:20:49 localhost smbd[1495]: Unable to connect to CUPS server /var/run/cups/cups.sock:631 - No such file or directory
Aug 5 16:20:49 localhost smbd[685]: [2012/08/05 16:20:49.251837, 0] printing/print_cups.c:487(cups_async_callback)
Aug 5 16:20:49 localhost smbd[685]: failed to retrieve printer list: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
Aug 5 16:33:49 localhost smbd[1563]: [2012/08/05 16:33:49.822770, 0] printing/print_cups.c:110(cups_connect)
Aug 5 16:33:49 localhost smbd[1563]: Unable to connect to CUPS server /var/run/cups/cups.sock:631 - No such file or directory
Aug 5 16:33:49 localhost smbd[685]: [2012/08/05 16:33:49.823037, 0] printing/print_cups.c:487(cups_async_callback)
Aug 5 16:33:49 localhost smbd[685]: failed to retrieve printer list: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
Aug 5 16:46:50 localhost smbd[1576]: [2012/08/05 16:46:50.424472, 0] printing/print_cups.c:110(cups_connect)
Aug 5 16:46:50 localhost smbd[1576]: Unable to connect to CUPS server /var/run/cups/cups.sock:631 - No such file or directory
Aug 5 16:46:50 localhost smbd[685]: [2012/08/05 16:46:50.424676, 0] printing/print_cups.c:487(cups_async_callback)
Aug 5 16:46:50 localhost smbd[685]: failed to retrieve printer list: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
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Try PlayOnLinux until Steam support comes out for Linux.
[QUOTE=nikomo;37092539]Proper explanation of Bedrock Linux found here:
[url]http://opensource.osu.edu/~paradigm/bedrock/introduction.html[/url]
I recommend at least looking at the real-world examples they have listed, now I'm really interested.[/QUOTE]
It's just easier to emerge dpkg in Gentoo.
Use standard install commands to figure out what the dependencies are for whatever Ubuntu-only trash you seem to need, then run it again with --force-install (or --force-depends I forget which) to make dpkg ignore the fact that it thinks you have zero dependencies.
It's how I installed Boxee.
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