General Linux Chat and Small Questions v. Install Arch
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The worst that could happen is data loss on shutdown, as above.
However, if you have other stuff stopping a shutdown when it notices things aren't getting umounted right, you could be stuck in a "half-shutdown" or something.
It's also possible that this bug is fixed in Arch's distribution of systemd (I'm assuming you're using Arch here because like 96% of the thread is), but I don't know for sure.
Personally I say "give systemd some time to mature before trying it out"
[QUOTE=lavacano;37596129]The worst that could happen is data loss on shutdown, as above.
However, if you have other stuff stopping a shutdown when it notices things aren't getting umounted right, you could be stuck in a "half-shutdown" or something.
It's also possible that this bug is fixed in Arch's distribution of systemd (I'm assuming you're using Arch here because like 96% of the thread is), but I don't know for sure.
Personally I say "give systemd some time to mature before trying it out"[/QUOTE]
I'm too stupid to be able to install arch, so I always install ubuntu, dissapoint, and then install mint.
[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;37601136]I'm too stupid to be able to install arch, so I always install ubuntu, dissapoint, and then install mint.[/QUOTE]
Just follow a beginners guide. That's what I did, it took me two hours to get my keyboard working though. layout just wasn't working.
I don't see why systemd is so much more useful. So far as I can tell, the returns from concurrent booting for me would be marginal at best. The majority of my laptop's time during booting is spent by the the BIOS, the rest is spent waiting for udev events but in total this is still measured in seconds as apposed to >4mins to get to a desktop in windows.
Perhaps once Arch transitions to systemd entirely and no-one has any major problems I will concede that it is a worthwhile step and go along with it. For now, I'm fine with missing out on those few extra moments I lose every time I reboot.
I'm moving a great deal of files on my hdd right now, and I like to keep track of what it's doing (-v), is there a way to resume that after I've closed my putty session? I have to go to school tomorrow, and I'm pretty sure it won't be done by then.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;37602638]I'm moving a great deal of files on my hdd right now, and I like to keep track of what it's doing (-v), is there a way to resume that after I've closed my putty session? I have to go to school tomorrow, and I'm pretty sure it won't be done by then.[/QUOTE]
Well you could of put it in a screen, and detached it.. But I dunno if that's possible whem it's moving files.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;37602638]I'm moving a great deal of files on my hdd right now, and I like to keep track of what it's doing (-v), is there a way to resume that after I've closed my putty session? I have to go to school tomorrow, and I'm pretty sure it won't be done by then.[/QUOTE]
do it in a screen session and just detach/reattach
[QUOTE=Wolfyhound;37602658]Well you could of put it in a screen, and detached it.. But I dunno if that's possible whem it's moving files.[/QUOTE]
Put it in a screen? I'm accessing my raspberry pi from my laptop trough putty and transferring the files using "tar cvf - . | (cd /root/; tar xvf -)" and I need the laptop for college :v:
I'm transferring like 1,8TB of data and I want to know when/if it fucks up.
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Oh I see, had never heard of that before. I already started the transfer though. I guess i'll stop it and figure out this screen thing.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;37602687]Put it in a screen? I'm accessing my raspberry pi from my laptop trough putty and transferring the files using "tar cvf - . | (cd /root/; tar xvf -)" and I need the laptop for college :v:
I'm transferring like 1,8TB of data and I want to know when/if it fucks up.
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Oh I see, had never heard of that before. I already started the transfer though. I guess i'll stop it and figure out this screen thing.[/QUOTE]
screen -S name - create screen
screen -x name - access screen
ctrl a then press d = detach
[QUOTE=Wolfyhound;37602914]screen -S name - create screen
screen -x name - access screen
ctrl a then press d = detach[/QUOTE]
Found a tutorial, but thanks :)
Got it working ^_^
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5483751/Photos/2012-09-09_1826.png[/img]
:D:D
[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;37602512]I don't see why systemd is so much more useful. So far as I can tell, the returns from concurrent booting for me would be marginal at best. The majority of my laptop's time during booting is spent by the the BIOS, the rest is spent waiting for udev events but in total this is still measured in seconds as apposed to >4mins to get to a desktop in windows.
Perhaps once Arch transitions to systemd entirely and no-one has any major problems I will concede that it is a worthwhile step and go along with it. For now, I'm fine with missing out on those few extra moments I lose every time I reboot.[/QUOTE]
For me, it was just to be "bleeding edge" - to move with the herd. I'm pretty sure Arch devs now recommend it over initscripts. The faster boot and other stuff were just side benefits.
the tar | untar trick sounds like a more complicated method of implementing rsync. Rsync will simply update (when you start it back up it will only download files which have been changed in the mean time or which have not yet been downloaded at all) and it retains permissions, etc with a number of convenient options for changing file attributes if need be.
[QUOTE=Rayjingstorm;37603161]the tar | untar trick sounds like a more complicated method of implementing rsync. Rsync will simply update (when you start it back up it will only download files which have been changed in the mean time or which have not yet been downloaded at all) and it retains permissions, etc with a number of convenient options for changing file attributes if need be.[/QUOTE]
Blame the internet :v:
I did read somewhere that the tar method is faster, but that might only be true for small files, can't remember.
Is it normal that running only gnome 3 classic without effects and nvidia control panel uses 1727 MB of RAM? I find it pretty excessive.
And i'm using 3GB of memory just by running MATE! What the heck is going on here?
Well I'm not having any major issues with systemd so far.
[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;37607080]Is it normal that running only gnome 3 classic without effects and nvidia control panel uses 1727 MB of RAM? I find it pretty excessive.
And i'm using 3GB of memory just by running MATE! What the heck is going on here?[/QUOTE]
Those are all pretty excessive. What system are you using, and how the hell did you even get it to do that what the fuck.
Try running htop and sorting by memory to see what processes uses up the most.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;37607355]Those are all pretty excessive. What system are you using, and how the hell did you even get it to do that what the fuck.
Try running htop and sorting by memory to see what processes uses up the most.[/QUOTE]
Fixed it, getting rid of every other DE but MATE. Now only using 300-400 MB
I fix all my things going nuts apparently.
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Mkay. Fixed it. It was steam. Thought i closed it but the proccess was still up. Sorry about all this crazyness. I really am sorry. :(
[B]Edited again:[/B]
Fuck. Another problem kicks in. mate-settings-daemon can't start.
Life hates me.
Why are all DE's ridiculously shit? It annoys me.
there are plenty DE's or Window Managers that are fully customizable.
[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;37609112]there are plenty DE's or Window Managers that are fully customizable.[/QUOTE]
What I'm saying is, why are KDE, XFCE and LXDE terrible compared to Openbox, Fluxbox and some tiling WM's.
[QUOTE=nehkz;37613135]What I'm saying is, why are KDE, XFCE and LXDE terrible compared to Openbox, Fluxbox and some tiling WM's.[/QUOTE]
Because [I]"my preferences --> other people's preferences"[/I]
They might not suit you, but since they exist they [B]MUST[/B] suit someone else.
Today I'll be switching to XFCE4.10.
I'll post results of it.
[QUOTE=Foxconn;37614251]Today I'll be switching to XFCE4.10.
I'll post results of it.[/QUOTE]
The only way i got to use XFCE is to install xubuntu. Installing XFCE goes good but i get no sound when i use it.
I was supposed to change to systemd but instead I spent the last few hours making my printer work
fucking HP
Which is a good video editor on linux?
[QUOTE=nehkz;37613135]What I'm saying is, why are KDE, XFCE and LXDE terrible compared to Openbox, Fluxbox and some tiling WM's.[/QUOTE]
But..LXDE is Openbox with some extra apps.
[QUOTE=Strikebango;37619909]Which is a good video editor on linux?[/QUOTE]
Currently, it's pretty much hit and miss, but Lightworks have an alpha planned for Linux: [url]http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE3OTg[/url]
Oh cool, E17's resumed making snapshots again :D
As the video editor chatter's going on, I must say that I like Cinelerra, but it always spews error messages when I scroll the video. Also error messages when I start it.
Error messages everywhere.
Oh wow, spotify for linux has a bit bugged layout, but now supports free accounts :D
EDIT:
Not sure if they support free accounts now or that i just got Spotify Unlimited/Premium for an unknown reason
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