First review of the GTX580 - $500, quieter than a GTX280
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[QUOTE=27X;25963331]Of course; comparing two cards almost two years apart in tape out is entirely germane.
Maybe you shouldn't assume you're the focus of the conversation; secondly, the fist card you listed comes with e-filed rebate: 469 x 559, hmm; a mystery. We'll also skip the 10% discount being temp. Your concerns were pretty much addressed the first time, what you do or fail to do with the information is moot.
Not even counting that newegg isn't the only reseller.[/QUOTE]
wat the 5970 isnt "almost 2 years apart"
[QUOTE=B1N4RY!;25963008]Trying too hard[/QUOTE]
That was the point
[QUOTE=27X;25963331]Of course; comparing two cards almost two years apart in tape out is entirely germane.
Maybe you shouldn't assume you're the focus of the conversation; secondly, the fist card you listed comes with e-filed rebate: 469 x 559, hmm; a mystery. We'll also skip the 10% discount being temp. Your concerns were pretty much addressed the first time, what you do or fail to do with the information is moot.
Not even counting that newegg isn't the only reseller.[/QUOTE]
why are you considering the instant 10% temporary and then deciding to include the rebate?
you did not address my concerns at all, in fact i didn't have any concerns, i just made a statement, and you shot it down. i questioned you shooting it down, and you responded with either irrelevant information or...something i'm not sure i can even define.
and yes i know newegg isn't the only reseller but rarely does anyone else follow a different sales pattern, the fact is the 5970 generally costs more than the 580 does no matter where you go.
the 5970 didn't release two years ago, by the way, what the hell are you on?
I don't give a flying dickchoppa whether a card is ATI or Nvidia. If future drivers make this run better I will be happy. Hopefully nvidia will let XFX make one too.
[QUOTE=QuadCoreGman;25964408]I don't give a flying dickchoppa whether a card is ATI or Nvidia. If future drivers make this run better I will be happy. Hopefully nvidia will let XFX make one too.[/QUOTE]
I think last I heard even XFX is refusing to make Nvidia cards since Nvidia was being a dick.
actually nvidia refused to have them as an AIB
because sometimes you have to be a dick for business
[QUOTE=M_B;25964319]why are you considering the instant 10% temporary and then deciding to include the rebate?
you did not address my concerns at all, in fact i didn't have any concerns, i just made a statement, and you shot it down. i questioned you shooting it down, and you responded with either irrelevant information or...something i'm not sure i can even define.
and yes i know newegg isn't the only reseller but rarely does anyone else follow a different sales pattern, the fact is the 5970 generally costs more than the 580 does no matter where you go.
the 5970 didn't release two years ago, by the way, what the hell are you on?[/QUOTE]
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i read that, but they're still not 2 years of development apart
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
so i dismissed it
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
unless evergreen really is 2 years older than fermi, is it? perhaps i'm wrong.
in the end though i'm not at all sure how that's actually relevant, more or less just an excuse for why [I]you[/I] don't think it's impressive
[QUOTE=27X;25963331]Of course; comparing two cards almost two years apart in tape out is entirely germane.
Maybe you shouldn't assume you're the focus of the conversation; secondly, the fist card you listed comes with e-filed rebate: 469 x 559, hmm; a mystery. We'll also skip the 10% discount being temp. Your concerns were pretty much addressed the first time, what you do or fail to do with the information is moot.
Not even counting that newegg isn't the only reseller.[/QUOTE]
Just... get out. Seriously, just leave the thread. Better yet, leave your computer and go outside for a while.
You've got to be the worst '10er I've seen yet.
Honestly, does anyone really give a shit about temperatures and noise? Crank the fan up and start overclocking; as long as the temps stay below 90 Celsius and the fan stops spinning after shutting down when you're about to sleep, I see no problem.
[QUOTE=Alcapwne;25943673]I'm still surviving on an ATI Radeon 2400 Pro, I can never bring myself to buy a new one because I always think "If I just wait a bit longer, the price will go down and I'll be able to get something better with my money"[/QUOTE]
I have 2600pro, and I'm just saving to get a completly new build.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;25974489]Honestly, does anyone really give a shit about temperatures and noise? Crank the fan up and start overclocking; as long as the temps stay below 90 Celsius and the fan stops spinning after shutting down when you're about to sleep, I see no problem.[/QUOTE]
Actually, yeah, some people do care. Not me, personally, but I know several people that do. One of them gets into crazy things like "shock-absorbing mounts for the hard drive" just to lower the noise.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;25974489]Honestly, does anyone really give a shit about temperatures and noise? Crank the fan up and start overclocking; as long as the temps stay below 90 Celsius and the fan stops spinning after shutting down when you're about to sleep, I see no problem.[/QUOTE]
Because high operating temps lower the life epectancy of many electrical components, primarily diodes and capacitors if I'm not misstaken. A hot card increases the temperature significantly in the entire PC, potentially causing plenty of inconvenience for a lot of people.
And not everyone can simply ignore their pc sounding like a jet aircraft taking off, a lot of us enjoy silence.
More people care about temp and noise than they do in the improvement in architecture. The average case is a mid tower, and the average slot arrangement has MAYBE four slot in single width configuration.
Heat expansion/friction/contraction and friction shorten the life of any component and anything that component is attached to, especially all the metal bits. OEMs sell far more than base consumers buy on their own, and they aren't particularly keen to have products that wear out before the warranty expires.
[URL]http://hardocp.com/article/2010/11/09/nvidia_geforce_gtx_580_video_card_review/8[/URL]
[QUOTE=Nilrus;25974626]Because high operating temps lower the life epectancy of many electrical components, primarily diodes and capacitors if I'm not misstaken. A hot card increases the temperature significantly in the entire PC, potentially causing plenty of inconvenience for a lot of people.
And not everyone can simply ignore their pc sounding like a jet aircraft taking off, a lot of us enjoy silence.[/QUOTE]
One obviously wants to keep the temps down if there's no tradeoff, but 2-3 years of 80-90 Celsius of load temps isn't gonna kill a card. If you plan on keeping the card for more than 5-7 years though that's understandable, but the consumers of high-end cards/computers have a tendency of swapping hardware every few years. The temperature increase within the case from a hot GPU is in the single-digit range at most unless you forgot to hook up your case fans. I've never heard a GPU fan topping, say, a DVD drive in noise level and people seem fine with that (unless you REALLY go all the way to max RPM, 90-100%, but that's a bad idea for other reasons).
My GTX 280 is dying (FOR THE SECOND TIME), and I was about to get a 470 or a 6870, but I think I'm gonna wait to see the 570 or the 6900 seires.
[QUOTE=Nilrus;25974626]Because high operating temps lower the life epectancy of many electrical components, primarily diodes and capacitors if I'm not misstaken. A hot card increases the temperature significantly in the entire PC, potentially causing plenty of inconvenience for a lot of people.
And not everyone can simply ignore their pc sounding like a jet aircraft taking off, a lot of us enjoy silence.[/QUOTE]That's blatantly assuming your case has minimal airflow. Any good case, and that isn't a concern.
[editline]10th November 2010[/editline]
Of course my case is a bit noisy but I'm totally used to it and can't even hear it while playing games or watching something
[QUOTE=Nilrus;25974626]Because high operating temps lower the life epectancy of many electrical components, primarily diodes and capacitors if I'm not misstaken. A hot card increases the temperature significantly in the entire PC, potentially causing plenty of inconvenience for a lot of people.
And not everyone can simply ignore their pc sounding like a jet aircraft taking off, a lot of us enjoy silence.[/QUOTE]
I doubt anyone buying a $560, enthusiast level component is going to be using it, or any other component for that matter, for more than five years.
Nvidia's tesselation engine is really shining in HAWX 2, which uses tesselation on virtually everything.
[QUOTE=Odellus;25982083]I doubt anyone buying a $560, enthusiast level component is going to be using it, or any other component for that matter, for more than five years.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean it should break faster.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;25982815]Doesn't mean it should break faster.[/QUOTE]
What? That applies to everything.
[QUOTE=B1N4RY!;25943741]BRB, selling my GTX480[/QUOTE]
Try buying some old shitty card from that same store and see what happens.
and why are we even talking about this it runs at 86C max with an overclock
[QUOTE=Odellus;25982083]I doubt anyone buying a $560, enthusiast level component is going to be using it, or any other component for that matter, for more than five years.[/QUOTE]
yep. typically the people that buy these expensive cards do so because they can. and that means that every series or every other series, they buy the most expensive card.
once you pay upwards of $500 for a graphics card, it's not a bother anymore, makes it not that big of a deal the next time, and you sort of give yourself a performance standard. then when the next series comes out, you get another over $500 card, and it becomes ritualistic.
rusty100 is like this. i would be, too, if i had the money. so i'm sitting out of either the GTX500 series or the HD 6000 series.
[editline]10th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=johan_sm;25982815]Doesn't mean it should break faster.[/QUOTE]
fermi was made to withstand high heats, and it does. i would be very surprised if the 580 was any less, in fact i'd be surprised if it wasn't more enduring. it also runs cooler than the 480, even the 470 i think.
so, it shouldn't break fast at all.
Technically I don't know if it'd be accurate to assume it runs a whole lot cooler than the 480. Didn't it say in the review that they didn't tweak voltages?
if they didn't tweak voltages, but still overclocked it, and it still ran cooler than a 480, then yes it runs cooler than a 480
Well yeah but I think by how much is still debatable.
[QUOTE=Supacasey;25988244]Well yeah but I think by how much is still debatable.[/QUOTE]
Just don't debate it until we have some actual data. So far, reports are pretty much just "less". Save the arguing for something that can actually be argued.
[QUOTE=Supacasey;25987835]Technically I don't know if it'd be accurate to assume it runs a whole lot cooler than the 480. Didn't it say in the review that they didn't tweak voltages?[/QUOTE]
what are you talking about? It says right in the review that it runs cooler than a 480, while overclocked.
Dammit Dammit Dammit the new Nvidia cool stuff demos are here, and they say I need to upgrade my 470 to use them. This is a sad day.
[url]http://www.nvidia.com/object/cool_stuff.html#/demos[/url]
[editline]11th November 2010[/editline]
Fuck it I'm gonna download it anyways and see if it runs on my 470
It does run on my 470. I don't know why it says to upgrade your card though.
I'm gonna try the endless city now.
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