• NVIDIA Moves into Direct Retail of Video Cards
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[QUOTE=Odellus;25286922]do you have any proof at all to back up these claims[/QUOTE] It's either true or just made up pretty well.
[QUOTE=27X;25284960]The financial records of both companies aren't speculation, and ATI's design wins are a matter of public record; the volume year to year therein is a big fucking deal, whether you choose to admit it or not. Secondly, you clearly don't have a clue about render/parallel margins because they're a HELL of a lot higher than consumer markups. Thirdly, excellent jobs bringing up the margin thin-ness because because it's exactly why nVidia's getting spanked and they're losing AIBs and AIB exclusivity.[/QUOTE]i think you're getting angry what makes me say so? when people get angry, they tend to produce adrenaline, and when adrenaline is running through someone's system, and it doesn't need to be in there (ie you're not running for your life), they blow everything out of proportion, and say and do really stupid things. this entire post of yours is either bullshit, opinionated, or meaningless.
Wrong, which also helps point out how clueless you are. Let's see: Render Markup: Cheapest: $1200 Quadro Plex (Q6000 x 2): $14500 Source: nVidia.com hrm, seems a tad more pricey than a 480. And I'll hazard a [I]wild guess[/I] that it doesn't cost 1 grand to stick ECC ram on a Fermi PCB. Might be why nVidia poured most of their Fermi production into Quadros as opposed to consumer cards. Of course Jen wanting to make a profit is [I]rampant speculation[/I] right? So we've established that the Render/Science market generates significantly more profit per unit, which was point two. So much for your theory. Asus picking up ATI for their laptop add-in offering, and Dell picking up ATI for the midrange consumer offerings is also a matter of public record, I'll perhaps foolishly assume you can point your browser in the right direction for the relevant information. MSI also picked up ATI last year despite being a previously Nvidia GPU only AIB supplier. Mysterious. Dell even offers FireGL cards now for bulk purchase, despite Quadro's near market dominance. hmm. Probably because ATI offers them at a significant clearance HP's Pavillion line now ships 5x as their standard add in card, which is reversed from two years ago, when they didn't even carry ATI for the high end line unless you specifically asked for one. Xbox contract: Posted at Fudzilla and Tom's Hardware, public record, no refutation. ATI selling more dedicated cards than nVidia has even shipped this gen: Fudzilla, Semi Accurate, Anandtech, Bright Side of News Nvidia laptop issues: Bit-tech, Fudzilla, Tom's ATI is paper launching mid range 6X cards on the 18th, nVidia's response card is *crickets*, and they STILL can't get rid of their excess 470s. Source: Planet Earth, Reality. NVidia's strongholds are Quadro and Tegra, and that's about it. They screwed over their own AIB putting two out of business and XFX is out of the picture in Europe. If no one sells your stuff, that may potentially harm your sales.: HardOCP Supercomputer contracts: Bit-Tech, ChipHell None of this is even bothering to cover AMD fusion is finally getting off the ground, which further strains nVidia in the midrange and laptop markets, because generally people are going to buy what's cheaper. nVidia's days of undisputed dominance are numbered. Whether you choose to believe it or not is irrelevant to me.
[QUOTE=FunnyGamer;25280196]Are you telling me that you reach into the case and start stroking components?[/QUOTE] Yes.
I want it just for the packaging.
[B]I must be an idiot[/B] because I don't see the difference between this and the cards NVIDIA already have out. Are these for modelling specifically?
Nope, they're simply consumer cards sold directly from nVidia to Best Buy. ATI and 3dfx have done the same in the past.
It's better than those other boxes with shitty games on the front that look about 20 years old...
[QUOTE=27X;25296090]Wrong, which also helps point out how clueless you are. Let's see: Render Markup: Cheapest: $1200 Quadro Plex (Q6000 x 2): $14500 Source: nVidia.com hrm, seems a tad more pricey than a 480. And I'll hazard a [I]wild guess[/I] that it doesn't cost 1 grand to stick ECC ram on a Fermi PCB. Might be why nVidia poured most of their Fermi production into Quadros as opposed to consumer cards. Of course Jen wanting to make a profit is [I]rampant speculation[/I] right? So we've established that the Render/Science market generates significantly more profit per unit, which was point two. So much for your theory. Asus picking up ATI for their laptop add-in offering, and Dell picking up ATI for the midrange consumer offerings is also a matter of public record, I'll perhaps foolishly assume you can point your browser in the right direction for the relevant information. MSI also picked up ATI last year despite being a previously Nvidia GPU only AIB supplier. Mysterious. Dell even offers FireGL cards now for bulk purchase, despite Quadro's near market dominance. hmm. Probably because ATI offers them at a significant clearance HP's Pavillion line now ships 5x as their standard add in card, which is reversed from two years ago, when they didn't even carry ATI for the high end line unless you specifically asked for one. Xbox contract: Posted at Fudzilla and Tom's Hardware, public record, no refutation. ATI selling more dedicated cards than nVidia has even shipped this gen: Fudzilla, Semi Accurate, Anandtech, Bright Side of News Nvidia laptop issues: Bit-tech, Fudzilla, Tom's ATI is paper launching mid range 6X cards on the 18th, nVidia's response card is *crickets*, and they STILL can't get rid of their excess 470s. Source: Planet Earth, Reality. NVidia's strongholds are Quadro and Tegra, and that's about it. They screwed over their own AIB putting two out of business and XFX is out of the picture in Europe. If no one sells your stuff, that may potentially harm your sales.: HardOCP Supercomputer contracts: Bit-Tech, ChipHell None of this is even bothering to cover AMD fusion is finally getting off the ground, which further strains nVidia in the midrange and laptop markets, because generally people are going to buy what's cheaper. nVidia's days of undisputed dominance are numbered. Whether you choose to believe it or not is irrelevant to me.[/QUOTE] Wow you just laid it down.
[QUOTE=27X;25297910]Nope, they're simply consumer cards sold directly from nVidia to Best Buy. ATI and 3dfx have done the same in the past.[/QUOTE] It's not directly from Nvidia. As far as I know to my knowledge, and according to the updated HardOCP article, Nvidia does not own any manufacturing facilities capable of mass producing cards. Nvidia, and ATI manufacture semi-conductors. They are not in anyway shape or form, capable of mass producing the cards themselves. More than likely, this is simply a contract with Flextronics or Foxconn which produce the cards as directed and designed by Nvidia. ATI used to sell ATI branded cards, but that was pretty much the same thing, they just contract a company to mass produce it for them. I really, don't know what else to say in this thread, I don't see any reason, whatsoever, to hype up over this whole thing, it's getting excited over practically nothing. The fact is, Nvidia is [b]not[/b] a discreet graphics card builder, they do not build cards by themselves. They do not own manufacturing facilities that can mass produce cards on their own for the purpose of retail sales. The circumstances of getting into a discreet graphics card building business is the exact reason why AIB partners exist, because they are properly equipped to deal with the dirty business that goes on with GPU sales.
The grumpiness is due to A: that a "trusted" AIB partner can't do the same, which cuts nVidia's other partners out of the loop instead of extending the market. This is already on top of nVidia screwing over many of their lesser partners on Fermi wholesale. You can only burn so many bridges before you have none left. Sapphire and Diamond did ATI's "direct sell" non-branded cards. The logistics is only ONE partner is getting access to 1000 more market venues. nVidia's already earning quite a bit of ill will from AIBV's and this is simply more fuel to the fire for those partners to either quit or start selling red cards as well as green ones, which many of them have done. and B: Both 3dfx and ATI have tried this in the past and all it resulted in was mediocre sales and less AIBs that are willing to deal with you (ATI), or hastening the inevitable (3dfx). nVidia is further alienating their consumer partners at a time when they are already behind the curve. Not everybody has the capital to make a MARS-style AIBV-only card and wait out the hard times. It's just stupid.
The box is brilliantly designed I have to say.
[QUOTE=27X;25296090]Wrong, which also helps point out how clueless you are. Let's see: Render Markup: Cheapest: $1200 Quadro Plex (Q6000 x 2): $14500 Source: nVidia.com hrm, seems a tad more pricey than a 480. And I'll hazard a [I]wild guess[/I] that it doesn't cost 1 grand to stick ECC ram on a Fermi PCB. Might be why nVidia poured most of their Fermi production into Quadros as opposed to consumer cards. Of course Jen wanting to make a profit is [I]rampant speculation[/I] right? So we've established that the Render/Science market generates significantly more profit per unit, which was point two. So much for your theory. Asus picking up ATI for their laptop add-in offering, and Dell picking up ATI for the midrange consumer offerings is also a matter of public record, I'll perhaps foolishly assume you can point your browser in the right direction for the relevant information. MSI also picked up ATI last year despite being a previously Nvidia GPU only AIB supplier. Mysterious. Dell even offers FireGL cards now for bulk purchase, despite Quadro's near market dominance. hmm. Probably because ATI offers them at a significant clearance HP's Pavillion line now ships 5x as their standard add in card, which is reversed from two years ago, when they didn't even carry ATI for the high end line unless you specifically asked for one. Xbox contract: Posted at Fudzilla and Tom's Hardware, public record, no refutation. ATI selling more dedicated cards than nVidia has even shipped this gen: Fudzilla, Semi Accurate, Anandtech, Bright Side of News Nvidia laptop issues: Bit-tech, Fudzilla, Tom's ATI is paper launching mid range 6X cards on the 18th, nVidia's response card is *crickets*, and they STILL can't get rid of their excess 470s. Source: Planet Earth, Reality. NVidia's strongholds are Quadro and Tegra, and that's about it. They screwed over their own AIB putting two out of business and XFX is out of the picture in Europe. If no one sells your stuff, that may potentially harm your sales.: HardOCP Supercomputer contracts: Bit-Tech, ChipHell None of this is even bothering to cover AMD fusion is finally getting off the ground, which further strains nVidia in the midrange and laptop markets, because generally people are going to buy what's cheaper. nVidia's days of undisputed dominance are numbered. Whether you choose to believe it or not is irrelevant to me.[/QUOTE] and exactly how does any of this mean nvidia is going the route of 3dfx? maybe i wasn't clear but i wasn't saying that the facts you had presented were bullshit, no, i was saying that you acting like it'll mean doom for nvidia as a company was bullshit speculation. you do know what speculation means, right? [editline]10:48PM[/editline] i could go through everything on there and explain why it's not as largely important as you seem to think but i lack the energy, perhaps at a later time.
Who says they're going the route of 3dfx? Was never implied. I even put a clear sentence in single line form at the bottom that nvidia's [I][B]dominance[/B][/I] are very likely coming to an end, perhaps even as quickly as three gens given the current economy and the dumbness of their current consumer policies. Being dominant implies something, maybe you need to look it up if you don't understand what said word means. You really suck at passive aggressive trolling. Perhaps you should try a different subject matter.
I rather have more than two choices when it comes to computer parts, especially CPUs and GPUs... The hardcore enthusiasts always get left out. Hopefully intel will release their cards soon.
[QUOTE=Luuper;25257985]The box is boner-ific[/QUOTE] it uses shaderbump...wait.
[QUOTE=27X;25301986]Who says they're going the route of 3dfx? Was never implied. I even put a clear sentence in single line form at the bottom that nvidia's [I][B]dominance[/B][/I] are very likely coming to an end, perhaps even as quickly as three gens given the current economy and the dumbness of their current consumer policies. Being dominant implies something, maybe you need to look it up if you don't understand what said word means. You really suck at passive aggressive trolling. Perhaps you should try a different subject matter.[/QUOTE] You're quite passionate about this. Take a deep breath and and go back to your normal routine or some other hobby. This little squabble isn't worth anyone but Nvidia's time.
Nothing passionate about it, and I own two nVidia cards. Simply the difference between forming an opinion based on actual observation as opposed to making fellatio noise to a particular manufacturer "cuz thayr ossum111oneoneunoeeleven."
I bet they won't overclock worth shit. But they will be super stable. Random asstalk. Disregard etc etc.
I don't get it, hasn't NVIDIA been making cards since like, the company existed? Because I'm pretty sure my computer had a NVIDIA card back when I bought it in 2008. (it has an ATI card now)
[QUOTE=Dlaor-guy;25316047]I don't get it, hasn't NVIDIA been making cards since like, the company existed? Because I'm pretty sure my computer had a NVIDIA card back when I bought it in 2008. (it has an ATI card now)[/QUOTE] Making the cards, yes, but not selling them directly. Most of Nvidia's cards are sold through various vendors, such as MSI, EVGA, etc.
[QUOTE=Snuffy;25316184]Making the cards, yes, but not selling them directly. Most of Nvidia's cards are sold through various vendors, such as MSI, EVGA, etc.[/QUOTE] nvidia doesn't make the cards
nvidia makes the GPUs themselves, foxconn makes their boards before they give the GPUs to venders like MSI, EVGA, PNY, etc. who then make their own boards, but usually the boards wind up being only a tiny bit different from one another. [editline]09:14PM[/editline] also foxconn is going to be making these particular cards.
[QUOTE=M_B;25343005]nvidia makes the GPUs themselves, foxconn makes their boards before they give the GPUs to venders like MSI, EVGA, PNY, etc. who then make their own boards, but usually the boards wind up being only a tiny bit different from one another. [editline]09:14PM[/editline] also foxconn is going to be making these particular cards.[/QUOTE] So technically they are foxconn cards.
essentially, yes. but so are apple products foxconn products. but they're named and sold as apple products. same idea.
when can we expect these cards on sights like newegg?
[QUOTE=Axiom :D;25352730]when can we expect these cards on sights like newegg?[/QUOTE] I think it was a best buy exclusive.
[QUOTE=Axiom :D;25352730]when can we expect these cards on sights like newegg?[/QUOTE] when either bestbuy or newegg buys the other
I wanna make that video card have my babies... But, that's like running the Unigine on supper max settings with Extreme Tessilization... [sp]Video Card Rape... Dun you get it?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;25302037]I rather have more than two choices when it comes to computer parts, especially CPUs and GPUs... The hardcore enthusiasts always get left out. Hopefully intel will release their cards soon.[/QUOTE] Last I heard Intel has put their GPU plans on the back-burner. The highly anticipated "Larabee" was pretty much cancelled because they realized that by the time the release it, it'd be sub-par compared to whatever ATi/nVidia would release at that time. (in this case, the 5xxx and 4-series cards respectively)
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