7 Reasons to Avoid Windows 7 (and gparent vs Dr Egg)
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[QUOTE=luke7dude;16844955]Windows 7 is cinda like a big update on vista[/QUOTE]
No, they're gonna start from scratch and completely ditch all the hundreds of thousands of lines of code that make the base for windows OS's. :downs:
[QUOTE=valiant1k;16925320]Why i would want a Vista or 7 ... this means upgrading hardware and stuff, which is money. OS itself is money. And DX 10 - PFFFTTT. Why i need DX10 if i play Solitaire, Free Cell, Doom 2 and some other old games, if i hardly play at all. Im very pleased with XP and Ubuntu im currently using.[/QUOTE]
:downs:
First off, 7 really isn't hardware intensive.
Second, DX11 is a huge step in graphic capabilities, so the next Doom game is gonna look a hell of a lot better than yours right now.
Third, get Mint instead of Ubuntu.
7 comes with DX 11. :downs:
[QUOTE=Stickmoose;16924886]Make OSX work on hardware other than your proprietary overpriced shit and I'll consider dual booting it with Windows 7[/QUOTE]
It does, you just need a processor with SSE3 instructions. I'm running iDeneb 10.5.6 on my AMD hackintosh.
[QUOTE=SnakeFace;16925817]No, they're gonna start from scratch and completely ditch all the hundreds of thousands of lines of code that make the base for windows OS's. :downs:[/QUOTE]
Midori
[QUOTE=Recording...;16926755]It does, you just need a processor with SSE3 instructions. I'm running iDeneb 10.5.6 on my AMD hackintosh.[/QUOTE]
Tried it before, wasted a bunch of dvd's. (I have an e6600)
[QUOTE=Grayron;16925917]
Third, get Mint instead of Ubuntu.[/QUOTE]
Unless you're running a netbook. Mint is crap at finding/setting up Wireless networks on my Acer Aspire One. Whereas Ubuntu finds and connects automatically.
[quote]It’s Still Windows[/quote]
It's that OSX bastard that posted his videos on youtube isn't it? He said that in like every damn sentence.
On a similar subject, the FSF has made this:
[url]http://windows7sins.org/[/url]
Basically a hate campaign agasint MS that is based pretty much on fiction or old info. gg RMS
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;16959696]On a similar subject, the FSF has made this:
[url]http://windows7sins.org/[/url]
Basically a hate campaign agasint MS that is based pretty much on fiction or old info. gg RMS[/QUOTE]
A lot of these aren't fiction. They aren't always as important as they make it sound, and they're not necessarily a reason to not use Windows 7 (they're actually reasons to not use Windows at all more than reasons not to use 7), but several of them are true.
[QUOTE=gparent;16960181]A lot of these aren't fiction. They aren't always as important as they make it sound, and they're not necessarily a reason to not use Windows 7 (they're actually reasons to not use Windows at all more than reasons not to use 7), but several of them are true.[/QUOTE]
Not really.
[quote=Windows 7 sins]1. Poisoning education: Today, most children whose education involves computers are being taught to use one company's product: Microsoft's. Microsoft spends large sums on lobbyists and marketing to corrupt educational departments. An education using the power of computers should be a means to freedom and empowerment, not an avenue for one corporation to instill its monopoly.[b] Let's face it, buisnesses use MS products, and while it is dumb to learn how to work Word/Excel instead of a spreadhseet/word processor, that is how stuff works in the real world, and that is what school teaches[/b]
2. Invading privacy: Microsoft uses software with backward names like Windows Genuine Advantage to inspect the contents of users' hard drives. The licensing agreement users are required to accept before using Windows warns that Microsoft claims the right to do this without warning.[b] It checks for the correct license. It isn't scanning for files or anything or doing anything else invasive[/b]
3. Monopoly behavior: Nearly every computer purchased has Windows pre-installed -- but not by choice. Microsoft dictates requirements to hardware vendors, who will not offer PCs without Windows installed on them, despite many people asking for them. Even computers available with other operating systems like GNU/Linux pre-installed often had Windows on them first.[b] There are PC's that come with Linux distros and I read some Thinkpads have FreeDOS. Rare for sure, but it is out there[/b]
4. Lock-in: Microsoft regularly attempts to force updates on its users, by removing support for older versions of Windows and Office, and by inflating hardware requirements. For many people, this means having to throw away working computers just because they don't meet the unnecessary requirements for the new Windows versions.[b] Removing support? Win 2000 is supported until 2010, XP until 2014, and so on. And the hardware requiremnts barely inflate with the same OS. A lot of people use the same software, then get upgraded software on a new PC. And MS can't support 1GHz single core PC's forever. You have to move on at some point. And if you don't want to upgrade the PC then your OS is supported for years and years anyway, and chances are the outdated programs will have some compatibilty with newer versions. Dropping support for older programs isn't bad.[/b]
5. Abusing standards: Microsoft has attempted to block free standardization of document formats, because standards like OpenDocument Format would threaten the control they have now over users via proprietary Word formats. They have engaged in underhanded behavior, including bribing officials, in an attempt to stop such efforts.[b] Granted this used to be true, but I believe .doc is fully documented, .docx is. And when your standards don't even define how to do formulas in a spreadsheet, it isn't MS's fault when they fully comply and it still doesn't work. Define things properly when you get MS to do something like this. Everyone knows MS is a slippery fish[/b]
6. Enforcing Digital Restrictions Management (DRM): With Windows Media Player, Microsoft works in collusion with the big media companies to build restrictions on copying and playing media into their operating system. For example, at the request of NBC, Microsoft was able to prevent Windows users from recording television shows that they have the legal right to record.[b] It's not MS's problem. NBC said not to record, and MS can't really say no. They are just complying with licenses. [/b]
7. Threatening user security: Windows has a long history of security vulnerabilities, enabling the spread of viruses and allowing remote users to take over people's computers for use in spam-sending botnets. Because the software is secret, all users are dependent on Microsoft to fix these problems -- but Microsoft has its own security interests at heart, not those of its users.[b] Again, security was a big problem in older versions of Windows, but with UAC and proper user accounts it is better than before. And you can actually file bug reports with Microsoft. It is stupidly hard, but it is there.[/b][/quote]
It's all very well promoting the cause of Free as in Beer software, but promoting it by saying MS is shit and not explaining why OSS is better is retarded.
Well, it's RMS, so while it's explained in a "shouting at the enemy" manner and not very descriptive, it's accurate.
3: Your counter isn't even touching the issue. They're talking about anti-competitive behavior (rebates to companies promoting only Windows PCs).
5: It is their fault that they don't conform to the de-facto standard for spreadsheet formulas, actually. They purposely broke it, there's no reason for them not to. It makes ODF look bad.
But regardless, your answer doesn't touch the issue at all. They're talking about the committee bribes that went on during the standardization of OOXML to make it pass as an "open" standard. OOXML documentation is 3 times the size of the LHC documentation, it's a stupidly complicated format. But MS still got to get their standard approved because of bribery and dirty tricks.
7: The important sentence is the second one in that paragraph. They're promoting open source's fast response, whereas Microsoft took 2 years to fix a recent vulnerability.
Like it or not, even if it's a MS-like "Get the facts"-style campaign, they're not lying. They verify what they say before typing it. But of course, it's sensationalism.
EDIT: Also, they're not promotiong free as in beer. They don't care about price. They only care about GNU/Freedom.
They're complaining that you have to do a clean install when you have a brand new operating system, compared to one that's 8 years old? Holy shit.
[QUOTE=gparent;16961097]Well, it's RMS, so while it's explained in a "shouting at the enemy" manner and not very descriptive, it's accurate.
3: Your counter isn't even touching the issue. They're talking about anti-competitive behavior (rebates to companies promoting only Windows PCs).
5: It is their fault that they don't conform to the de-facto standard for spreadsheet formulas, actually. They purposely broke it, there's no reason for them not to. It makes ODF look bad.
But regardless, your answer doesn't touch the issue at all. They're talking about the committee bribes that went on during the standardization of OOXML to make it pass as an "open" standard. OOXML documentation is 3 times the size of the LHC documentation, it's a stupidly complicated format. But MS still got to get their standard approved because of bribery and dirty tricks.
7: The important sentence is the second one in that paragraph. They're promoting open source's fast response, whereas Microsoft took 2 years to fix a recent vulnerability.
Like it or not, even if it's a MS-like "Get the facts"-style campaign, they're not lying. They verify what they say before typing it. But of course, it's sensationalism.
EDIT: Also, they're not promotiong free as in beer. They don't care about price. They only care about GNU/Freedom.[/QUOTE]
3. It starts off complaing about monopoly, but it drifts away from that.
5. De facto standard =/= standard. As I said, you can't make a standard regarding spreadsheets and leave out something so basic as formulas. They can do what they want, and if it makes ODF look bad then good. Trying to make an open format without declaring basic parts of it deserves to be ridiculed. And I never denied the bribery. I said it used to be, but the last few months have been (relatively) ok.
7. Is it fuck promoting open source fast response. It's saying you are dependent on MS to fix it, nothing about open source. It's simply implied if you know about it already, which is not really who this is aimed in the first place. And I can't comment on who MS secuirty is aimed since I'm only a home user.
And maybe they aren't lying, but it is all either twisted or old information. It's still not correct really.
And yeah I got mixed up between beer and speech and went to fix it, but you'd already quoted/replied so it was too late :v:
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;16961264]3. It starts off complaing about monopoly, but it drifts away from that.
5. De facto standard =/= standard. As I said, you can't make a standard regarding spreadsheets and leave out something so basic as formulas. They can do what they want, and if it makes ODF look bad then good. Trying to make an open format without declaring basic parts of it deserves to be ridiculed. And I never denied the bribery. I said it used to be, but the last few months have been (relatively) ok.
7. Is it fuck promoting open source fast response. It's saying you are dependent on MS to fix it, nothing about open source. It's simply implied if you know about it already, which is not really who this is aimed in the first place. And I can't comment on who MS secuirty is aimed since I'm only a home user.[/QUOTE]
3. It explains what their illegal, unfair business practices lead to. Cause and effect.
5. They can do like they want like NOT purposely break compatibility with other software that already handles the sisue fine - Or they can be complete fucking tools as usual and break shit just because they can't compete on an equal field. You basically proved their point.
7. Nothing about open source? I'm sorry but you're either being stubborn or missing the point completely there. The point is that since it's open source, you are not dependent on MS to fix it.
You'd understand what they're trying to make you understand after a few reading courses, I'm sure, because it seems to me you're purposely ignoring their point because you can't handle the truth. (Which is what they're aiming at, by the way. Making you uncomfortable).
But that new mac leopard is still a shitty mac
[QUOTE=gparent;16967854]3. It explains what their illegal, unfair business practices lead to. Cause and effect.
5. They can do like they want like NOT purposely break compatibility with other software that already handles the sisue fine - Or they can be complete fucking tools as usual and break shit just because they can't compete on an equal field. You basically proved their point.
7. Nothing about open source? I'm sorry but you're either being stubborn or missing the point completely there. The point is that since it's open source, you are not dependent on MS to fix it.
You'd understand what they're trying to make you understand after a few reading courses, I'm sure, because it seems to me you're purposely ignoring their point because you can't handle the truth. (Which is what they're aiming at, by the way. Making you uncomfortable).[/QUOTE]
it really doesn't but i'll explain in mornngo
5. they break shit because they can, dont bitch about adhering to standrad when the standard says nothing
7.stubborn? it says nothign about open source so not stuboen
also i can handle the truth but this is retarded
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I guess trolling is the last resort when you realize that website is right.
[QUOTE=gparent;16961097]EDIT: Also, they're not promotiong free as in beer. They don't care about price. They only care about GNU/Freedom.[/QUOTE]
Technically they are promoting free as in beer, since GNU implies free.
Great website, M$ is evil, not going to stop me from buying Windows 7.
In Summary: Don't upgrade to Windows 7 if you're bad enough at using XP.
you know macs don't always have to be over priced right (it's kind of a lame excuse imo). if someone really wants a mac and doesn't want to spend $1,000+ on it, just make a hackintosh. sure it takes a bit of time to get one running, but it's cheaper (usually) and the hardware is actually upgradable. thats what I may do for my next computer purchase, custom build with Windows 7 with a 2nd hard drive that boots Snow Leopard (released tomorrow :smile:)
also I heard the next refresh of Apple's iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro will have a price decrease somewhere between 7% to 10% but I'll have to find that article again to double check.
[QUOTE=Grayron;16925917]:downs:
First off, 7 really isn't hardware intensive.
Second, DX11 is a huge step in graphic capabilities, so the next Doom game is gonna look a hell of a lot better than yours right now.
Third, get Mint instead of Ubuntu.[/QUOTE]
i have 7 running on a 1.8 ghz cpu with 512 ram smoothly. granted all the pretty shit isnt there but hell its all i need to use the internet with a free OS
edit: any IT department thinking about upgrading is going to have already done there homework and almost be done with testing in a live environment by now, so if your IT team hasnt done this you need some rethinking
[quote]Upgrading From Windows XP Requires a Clean Install[/quote]
What about Vista? If so, I need to upgrade the bitch
[QUOTE=gparent;16969768]I guess trolling is the last resort when you realize that website is right.[/QUOTE]
Except that this site likes to tamper the information so it sounds a lot worse than it actually is, as well as coming with outdated information in most cases.
[QUOTE=Roast Beast;16973079]Technically they are promoting free as in beer, since GNU implies free.[/QUOTE]
No, they do not care at all about the (potential) free as in beer aspect. In fact, they mention ways to make money out of F/OSS on their website. All they care about is code freedom.
[QUOTE=Plastical;16973619]Except that this site likes to tamper the information so it sounds a lot worse than it actually is, as well as coming with outdated information in most cases.[/QUOTE]
They make it sound like you actually is, people just don't mind is all.
Just because something happened a year ago doesn't mean the information is outdated. Would you rather have them talk about Microsoft's recent GPL violation instead? They have kept the same behavior.
EDIT: I don't have time to check the 7 of them to see if anything is outdated, as I am going to sleep, but I didn't see anything obvious when I last read it.
[QUOTE=gparent;16974051]No, they do not care at all about the (potential) free as in beer aspect. In fact, they mention ways to make money out of F/OSS on their website. All they care about is code freedom.[/QUOTE]
Just read through some of their site, interesting philosophy. Actually starting to warm up to them, though I still think their windows 7 site is pointless.
[QUOTE=gparent;16969768]I guess trolling is the last resort when you realize that website is right.[/QUOTE]
haha nah I was drunk when I wrote that judging by the time and "creative" writing style.
But yeah:
3. Sure they have kept and developed a monopoly through unfair practises, but the fact is the world uses Windows. There is no point teaching children to use an OS and software which 1% of people use when 80-90% use another one. Schools teach what works. A miniture example but at my school we were heavily advised to buy this calculator:
[img]http://www.casio.co.uk/controls/thumbnail.aspx?Size=500&FileId=UHRAxNXyUMY=[/img]
So much so the school actually sold them to us at like a 66% markdown compared to shops. Why? Because the textbooks explained how to work those calculators, and the teachers knew how to work those calculators. You could use your own, but it was up to you to work out how to do the hard stuff on it. Schools use Windows because it is documented in textbooks, the teachers have experience from home in working with it (like here many school teachers bought the first iMac because that is what all the schools used) and with something as complicated as a PC, there is no need to use other software, even if it is free. Regardless of price/monopoly (which I admit was gained illegally), Windows works better for schools. The thread about this proves so, so whuile it may well be illegal to keep this going, the fact is for the current time it works better
5. The compatibility they are breaking are just found in OO.o that everyone else copies. MS have followed ODF to the letter which has broken compatiblity with other programs generally (granted they were additional features, and not different but it still counts). You can't force MS to follow an open standard and go "oh but use this derivitive instead of the standard because then it will be compatible even if it is not in the standard we asked you to use"
7. No it isn't. The article says MS has a history of abuse, lists fixing their own (granted broken) operating system and that only MS can fix it. Open Source projects patching faster is only implied if you have prior knowledge about it. Is it not mentioned anywhere and instead only says that other people can check if it is secure.
And yes I feel uncomfortable and threatened by a neckbeard twisting the truth to seem bad.
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I should say I have nothing against Open Source, I just prefer Windows and other software which happens to not be OSS. My problem is with retarded sites like this. If you want to promote OSS, don't say Windows is bad and leave it there. If anything that will just make people buy Macs.
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Also one more thing, some of these points aren't even about Windows, it's just proprietary software in general. Sure it applied to Windows too, but it isn't alone.
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;16978041]Also one more thing, some of these points aren't even about Windows, it's just proprietary software in general. Sure it applied to Windows too, but it isn't alone.[/QUOTE]
Actually that's their main thing, fighting against proprietary software. Talking about Windows is just meant to get people's attention.
[QUOTE=Roast Beast;16979772]Actually that's their main thing, fighting against proprietary software. Talking about Windows is just meant to get people's attention.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know but this specific site is for Windows/(7).
[QUOTE=HeavyMtl123;16902359]Who has EVER heard of Fedora? what the hell is that?
Anyways, Windows 7 looks awesome, im going to get it when it comes out![/QUOTE]
You best be trolling, boy.
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