[QUOTE=latin_geek;52777692]Bricking a motherboard has to be some sort of an achivement, the things are glorified backplanes and manufacturers are sticking redundant BIOS in em now.
Too bad BIOS chips aren't user-swappable anymore, that was a fun feature in older ones.[/QUOTE]
SOIC clips are your friend
[QUOTE=slayer3032;52778003]I got really bored on ebay and was tired of my i7-930 about a month ago, I saw a X5660 for $24.13 buy it now with free shipping and just figured what the hell. My old i7 lost the silicone lottery and the like $300 pile of crap never hit 4ghz not to mention that the benchmarks it put out were far lower what other people seemed to get. If you're looking for a dirt cheap used setup or a home server, 1366 is the way to go. If you have DDR3 laying around from old builds it's almost a no brainer. ECC DDR3 is also like $50 for 6x4gb sticks so if you need plenty of ram for a server you're basically set.
[/QUOTE]I'm keeping my dual Xeon board, but I'm moving it from two 2650 v1 Xeons to two 2670 v2 or 2680 v2 CPUs for the higher clock speeds, extra cores and PCIe 3.0 . I'll hopefully be going that major surgery in January. Powerwise they should boost the system from a Cinebench score of 1500 to 2400 which makes is a bit more powerful than an i9 7900X and costs less than the price a new CPU+motherboard+ram, even though a 1950X would be more powerful.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52778868]I'm keeping my dual Xeon board, but I'm moving it from two 2650 v1 Xeons to two 2670 v2 or 2680 v2 CPUs for the higher clock speeds, extra cores and PCIe 3.0 . I'll hopefully be going that major surgery in January. Powerwise they should boost the system from a Cinebench score of 1500 to 2400 which makes is a bit more powerful than an i9 7900X and costs less than the price a new CPU+motherboard+ram, even though a 1950X would be more powerful.[/QUOTE]
You also gotta take into factor energy efficiency. The 1950X should be less expensive on your energy bill over time versus the server board.
I got my internet fixed a week ago on Thursday and it's just settled at it's maximum speed. Went from 380Kb/s to 10,239Kb/s :dance: Fastest it's been in ages
[QUOTE=BackSapper;52778958]You also gotta take into factor energy efficiency. The 1950X should be less expensive on your energy bill over time versus the server board.[/QUOTE]I guess, but that'll take ages to add up and the 1950X will get a shit tonne hotter than the old Xeons ever will.
[QUOTE=BackSapper;52778958]You also gotta take into factor energy efficiency. The 1950X should be less expensive on your energy bill over time versus the server board.[/QUOTE]
How much energy would dual 2670v2s succ down at idle and load anyway?
I thought most of power consumption during idle load came from peripherals, power supply inefficiency and the graphics card. Servers are usually pretty good at all of the above.
Le reddit says around 140-150W total system idle consumption for a dual 2670 board, and generally the rule of thumb is that 1W = $1 per year. It'd take a long time to add up to the total cost difference of a threadripper unless you were gunning it 24/7.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;52778467]I guess it comes down to how valuable your time is to spend so much effort on older hardware that is more readily and easily beaten by modern stuff.
Also,
"The single thread performance isn't incredible as you'd expect from a 8 year old hex core and is comparable to Ivy/Sandy Bridge but the hilarious part is it's pretty close to the stock Ryzens for like 1/10th the price. It's still far far better than what I had though."
Are we talking IPC or stock performance, because my Ryzen 7 at 3.8 blows away my 3770k, even in ST. Then again my 3770k never quite performed how it should.[/QUOTE]
A $200 budget spent on new parts isn't going to get you performance like this and you're going to end up stuck in a dead end i3 dual core or something which will be even more useless without overclocking as everything becomes more and more multithreaded. I'd like to say this old hardware is probably going to do you better than much of the low end stuff of the last couple years for longer than it would but it's hard to say depending on how long sata2, old pci-e and lack of the newer chipset features can go on. In the short term I think it's definitely still worth it if you can get a good deal on a motherboard. It's also just great as something you can push as hard as possible and not cry after you hurt your expensive cpu pushing voltages far past spec. At one point I had this cpu reporting 98c constantly on one core during stress testing, I chose to ignore it as another core was more than 20c cooler but I'm pretty sure the heat dissipation on cores 5 and 6 is just much worse than 3 and 4. If I had hurt it I would have just bought another one and my literal plan was to push this thing until it either died or I hit a wall which the later I did.
I'm just measuring via Cinebench against stock cpus. I spent $24 on a cpu vs $350+ on a Ryzen 5 1500x setup and found remotely similar performance. Looking up looking up cinebench scores, I am getting a better score than a stock 7700k and similar single core numbers to the older intel quad cores which are still considered far from a bottleneck in games by most people. I get around 1000 multi and 130 single with hyperthreading on.
[url]http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-1500x-and-1600x-review,11.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Revenge282;52778479]Slayer is Pentium's prodige. It took me months to convince him SSDs were "cool"...[/QUOTE]
I just didn't believe that SSDs were worth every cent yet since I ignored computers for a few years while they advanced from from gimmicky 16-32gb unreliable garbage where people would just endlessly debate about SLC vs MLC nand, ect. I figured my long boot times and slowness were just because I had a trash 1366 old board that I was unhappy with. It also had something to do with my OS having been left on my 10 year old 1TB Barracuda that was starting to fail instead of either of my newer drives. That was like 2 years ago now...
[QUOTE=ballads;52780441]its finally becoming self aware that it sucks[/QUOTE]
hey, the nokia made windows phones were great hardware.
Just Windows Phone was kind of mediocre.
Windows Phone always seemed like one of those platforms that died not because it was bad or because it deserved it, but just out of unfortunate circumstance.
Came into the game too late to attract developers and manufacturers, didn't do enough to alleviate that.
So uh, my windows never stops getting weirder. I have a new problem.
I was at a lan recently, doing the ordinary game stuff, and i was checking through my task manager for some old stuff running ganky. I was doing some alt-tabbing, some process killing, and without i had noticed it, my process list was no longer showing the correct memory usage, and still isnt. I have absolutely no clue on how to fix it, or what even caused it.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/qhKI59e.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=slayer3032;52780235]A $200 budget spent on new parts isn't going to get you performance like this and you're going to end up stuck in a dead end i3 dual core or something which will be even more useless without overclocking as everything becomes more and more multithreaded. I'd like to say this old hardware is probably going to do you better than much of the low end stuff of the last couple years for longer than it would but it's hard to say depending on how long sata2, old pci-e and lack of the newer chipset features can go on. In the short term I think it's definitely still worth it if you can get a good deal on a motherboard. It's also just great as something you can push as hard as possible and not cry after you hurt your expensive cpu pushing voltages far past spec. At one point I had this cpu reporting 98c constantly on one core during stress testing, I chose to ignore it as another core was more than 20c cooler but I'm pretty sure the heat dissipation on cores 5 and 6 is just much worse than 3 and 4. If I had hurt it I would have just bought another one and my literal plan was to push this thing until it either died or I hit a wall which the later I did.
I'm just measuring via Cinebench against stock cpus. I spent $24 on a cpu vs $350+ on a Ryzen 5 1500x setup and found remotely similar performance. Looking up looking up cinebench scores, I am getting a better score than a stock 7700k and similar single core numbers to the older intel quad cores which are still considered far from a bottleneck in games by most people. I get around 1000 multi and 130 single with hyperthreading on.
[url]http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-1500x-and-1600x-review,11.html[/url]
I just didn't believe that SSDs were worth every cent yet since I ignored computers for a few years while they advanced from from gimmicky 16-32gb unreliable garbage where people would just endlessly debate about SLC vs MLC nand, ect. I figured my long boot times and slowness were just because I had a trash 1366 old board that I was unhappy with. It also had something to do with my OS having been left on my 10 year old 1TB Barracuda that was starting to fail instead of either of my newer drives. That was like 2 years ago now...[/QUOTE]
I realized the difference when I went in between laptops with same specs but different drive types. The difference I felt was massive. Boot times were 4-6 times faster and everything just loads so much faster.
[QUOTE=lekkimsm;52781429]So uh, my windows never stops getting weirder. I have a new problem.
I was at a lan recently, doing the ordinary game stuff, and i was checking through my task manager for some old stuff running ganky. I was doing some alt-tabbing, some process killing, and without i had noticed it, my process list was no longer showing the correct memory usage, and still isnt. I have absolutely no clue on how to fix it, or what even caused it.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/qhKI59e.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Check your language settings (date, time, number format) in Windows. It can be a problem with the decimal , vs .
I had that once on my work PC. Can't really remember the exact combination that caused it. But if you run Danish display language and english numbering I could totally imagine that to be the cause.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52780532]Windows Phone always seemed like one of those platforms that died not because it was bad or because it deserved it, but just out of unfortunate circumstance.
Came into the game too late to attract developers and manufacturers, didn't do enough to alleviate that.[/QUOTE]
Honestly i would have bought one if they became either backwards compatible with Android (ARM) or just standard windows (Intel)
But looking at the sad state of the windows store now, it looks like microsoft tried all the "obvious" ways of getting people to use [I]their[/I] store and [B]only[/B] [I]their[/I] store when all people wanted was freedom
The Windows Store (and by extension Windows S) would be a much less sad place if you could add repositories or secondary stores.
There is no reason for Steam or Chrome to not be on Windows 10 S aside from greed, and that same greed killed WP.
[QUOTE=drblah;52782242]Check your language settings (date, time, number format) in Windows. It can be a problem with the decimal , vs .
I had that once on my work PC. Can't really remember the exact combination that caused it. But if you run Danish display language and english numbering I could totally imagine that to be the cause.[/QUOTE]
Fucking killer.
By a quick glance, i didn't notice anything specifically wrong, but i just hit the reset or default below in the numbers tab, looked back in the task manager, and everything is right back to where it should be. Appreciate it man.
Went to the recycling center today and discovered someone had dumped a 22U rack outside a few days ago. The volunteers that run that place had no idea what to do with it so it just sat outside for a bit.
[t]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/332322454674472960/369212724598800384/20171015_122447.jpg[/t]
Yes that is a Cat5 (not Cat5e) patch panel.
I immediately threw it in the truck and took it home.
[t]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/332322454674472960/369258172374056971/20171015_155431.jpg[/t]
With a bit of cleaning solution and elbow grease I got all the crud off it, pretty sick freebie. Also unfortunately upon reassembly I put the horizontal bars that hold the vertical square holes in place in backwards, but I'm not going to fix that.
Got my desktop set up in the new place. Getting a touch cramped in there with all 4 of our gaming machines.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/MFfdGk2.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Levelog;52783432]Got my desktop set up in the new place. Getting a touch cramped in there with all 4 of our gaming machines.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/MFfdGk2.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
... Is that a 21:9 secondary display?
[QUOTE=Levelog;52783432]Got my desktop set up in the new place. Getting a touch cramped in there with all 4 of our gaming machines.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/MFfdGk2.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TrafficMan;52784142]... Is that a 21:9 secondary display?[/QUOTE]
I would very much like to know where to get me one of those.
If it can be rotated 90 degrees that would be something else.
21:9 isn't exactly rare. Amazon has loads.
[editline]16th October 2017[/editline]
LG's ones are pretty good, I found.
WPA2 isn't secure anymore, rip.
[url]https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/severe-flaw-in-wpa2-protocol-leaves-wi-fi-traffic-open-to-eavesdropping/[/url]
[quote]US-CERT has become aware of several key management vulnerabilities in the 4-way handshake of the Wi-Fi Protected Access II (WPA2) security protocol. The impact of exploiting these vulnerabilities includes decryption, packet replay, TCP connection hijacking, HTTP content injection, and others. Note that as protocol-level issues, most or all correct implementations of the standard will be affected. The CERT/CC and the reporting researcher KU Leuven, will be publicly disclosing these vulnerabilities on 16 October 2017.[/quote]
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52784471]WPA2 isn't secure anymore, rip.
[url]https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/severe-flaw-in-wpa2-protocol-leaves-wi-fi-traffic-open-to-eavesdropping/[/url][/QUOTE]
There's been a lot of updates to software recently regarding it
Microsoft put out a patch almost a week ago
debian and arch are relatively patched
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52784471]WPA2 isn't secure anymore, rip.
[url]https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/severe-flaw-in-wpa2-protocol-leaves-wi-fi-traffic-open-to-eavesdropping/[/url][/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.krackattacks.com/[/url]
Just needs client updates, access points don't need changes, so it's not that bad.
Old smartphones are fucked, that's about it.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52784471]WPA2 isn't secure anymore, rip.
[URL]https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/severe-flaw-in-wpa2-protocol-leaves-wi-fi-traffic-open-to-eavesdropping/[/URL][/QUOTE]Does that mean someone will get onto my wifi?
[QUOTE=nikomo;52784520][url]https://www.krackattacks.com/[/url]
Just needs client updates, access points don't need changes, so it's not that bad.
Old smartphones are fucked, that's about it.[/QUOTE]
How old? Older than S4?
[QUOTE=cpt.armadillo;52784614]How old? Older than S4?[/QUOTE]
It will require an Android update, and all versions of Android are vulnerable unless it has this patch.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52784607]Does that mean someone will get onto my wifi?[/QUOTE]
No, it means that a man in the middle attack is now possible on WPA2 networks, a rogue access point can intercept your traffic between the router and the client.
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;52784651]I really hate how awful the Android architecture is, with a Linux distro the vulnerable package would be simply updated without any engineering cycles from the manufacturer being used for each device be patched[/QUOTE]
This is kind of why they implemented Project Treble with 8.0, will have to see how that plays out.
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;52784729]Still needs the manufacturer and carrier to play a role, good luck playing along with them[/QUOTE]
Isn't the point that the carrier [I]doesn't[/I] have to play a role in security updates, like changes to the base OS won't mess with carrier-related software, so the end user doesn't have to wait on slow-ass carriers to implement security patches?
Maybe I just misunderstood Treble
Carriers still distribute the updates in America.
The solution is to get a non-shit phone that the manufacturer hasn't fucked with, and you can get updates for from other sources than OTA.
For example, Nexus and Pixels phones. You can buy one of those and sideload the official update on the day it becomes available.
Only problem is that Pixels are bloody expensive, the Nexus 5X was the last well-priced good phone.
[QUOTE=nikomo;52784792]Carriers still distribute the updates in America.
The solution is to get a non-shit phone that the manufacturer hasn't fucked with, and you can get updates for from other sources than OTA.
For example, Nexus and Pixels phones. You can buy one of those and sideload the official update on the day it becomes available.
Only problem is that Pixels are bloody expensive, the Nexus 5X was the last well-priced good phone.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately carriers can still slow down/block OTA updates even with an unlocked device.
There's been several cases of this with the Nexus devices and other unlocked phones.
It's a load of shit.
At least, yeah, you can sideload but c'mon.
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