[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52531791]
Moving on, should I max out my old Asus Z9PE-D8 to Dual E5-2697 v2 CPUs or throw that old stuff away and get a get an x399 board and Threadripper 1950X?
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Depends on your software used.
Intel DP systems works in as a NUMA architecture. From my experience, unless the program is specifically written to balance workers across multiple NUMA nodes, the program will only use the cores on one of the physical processor.
[editline]2nd August 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Brt5470;52534129]Also I bought that mallninja knife. plan on buying more
Going to also buy a trenchcoat and fedora and a katana[/QUOTE]
[I]"When you were partying, I studied the blade"[/I]
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;52534141]Depends on your software used.
Intel DP systems works in as a NUMA architecture. From my experience, unless the program is specifically written to balance workers across multiple NUMA nodes, the program will only use the cores on one of the physical processor.
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No, this is entirely on the scheduler of the OS. There are many, many different policies out there for this. Both in software and both in the users best practise, if you're in a field where you care that much.
[QUOTE=wingless;52534170]No, this is entirely on the scheduler of the OS. There are many, many different policies out there for this. Both in software and both in the users best practise, if you're in a field where you care that much.[/QUOTE]
I'm using Windows 10 and have tried a variety of applications in my current DP setup. Programs like Cinebench were specifically programmed to run on NUMA system, thus it can utilize all cores across multiple CPUs easily. The programming methodologies used for NUMA and UMA architectures are substantially different.
Other programs like 7zip and most consumer programs don't work so well, since they're mostly programmed under SMP assumptions found typically in single processor, multiple core setups. These programs will only use the cores on one of the processors (and often only discovers one physical processor), and the Windows scheduler will also keeps all these threads to the same physical processor to reduce memory latency.
[editline]2nd August 2017[/editline]
Long story short, DP/MP systems are not worth it unless you're using applications designed specifically for NUMA systems, or if you need A LOT of multitasking (ie, VMs and server applications)
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;52534208]I'm using Windows 10 and have tried a variety of applications in my current DP setup. Programs like Cinebench were specifically programmed to run on NUMA system, thus it can utilize all cores across multiple CPUs easily.
Other programs like 7zip and most consumer programs don't work so well, since they're mostly programmed under SMP assumptions found typically in single processor, multiple core setups. These programs will only use the cores on one of the processors.[/QUOTE]
No, that's not it at all. In windows, by default applications will scale across NUMA nodes as well as memory locality permits. There are methods in the API to allow for explicit memory control across NUMA but these are for optimisation, namely for memory-intensive code, not necessity.
It's possible that Cinebench is abusing explicit NUMA memory controls, yes, likely even. But what's also likely is that it just naturally abuses memory locality in a way that allows the scheduler to let it work through multiple sockets.
[editline]3rd August 2017[/editline]
But I do agree that going multi-socket for just a home system, unless you really need a proper workstation, is unnecessary.
[QUOTE=wingless;52534241]No, that's not it at all. In windows, by default applications will scale across NUMA nodes as well as memory locality permits. There are methods in the API to allow for explicit memory control across NUMA but these are for optimisation, namely for memory-intensive code, not necessity. [/QUOTE]
I have indeed seen programs (that do not explicitly support NUMA system) using [I]memory [/I]across the two processors when the first one gets full, but I have never seen such application using [B]cores/threads [/B]across two processors. The second processor essentially just sit there doing nothing for the said program, except running other unrelated tasks scheduled by the OS.
For that reason, I highly recommend not getting a DP system unless you really know what you're doing.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;52534265]I have indeed seen programs (that do not explicitly support NUMA system) using [I]memory [/I]across the two processors when the first one gets full, but I have never seen such application using [B]cores/threads [/B]across two processors. The second processor essentially just sit there doing nothing for the said program, except running other unrelated tasks scheduled by the OS.
For that reason, I highly recommend not getting a DP system unless you really know what you're doing.[/QUOTE]
I was highly disappointed when my R720 with dual 8core SB-E chips barely did anything with ffmpeg :(
I keep toying with the idea of getting another 8 core to just use in a f@h vm
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;52534116]Work was throwing a bunch of stuff away so I rummaged through it in case there was anything useful.
Found some not-too-old COM express modules sort of like these.
[t]http://www.tuskembedded.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/COM-Express%C2%AE-Type-6-Rugged-Ultra-Lite-Carrier-Board.jpg[/t]
What the hell, these are amazing - mobile i7 and 16GB of RAM with full ports, even PCI-e x16 for only slightly larger than a Raspi. I would pay so much money for a fully modular laptop using these.[/QUOTE]
Shit, even the Pentium D model comes in at a cool $2k
If I'm using an old 4670k OC'd at 4.3 GHz, will I see any viable gains in gaming performing by switching to newer tech? AMD or otherwise? From the benchmarks I'm finding it looks like most of the gains across both AMD and Intel are really on the professional side of things (i.e. rendering apps)
[QUOTE=DanTehMan;52534651]If I'm using an old 4670k OC'd at 4.3 GHz, will I see any viable gains in gaming performing by switching to newer tech? AMD or otherwise? From the benchmarks I'm finding it looks like most of the gains across both AMD and Intel are really on the professional side of things (i.e. rendering apps)[/QUOTE]
You'll probably be fine for the rest of the year but I'm pretty sure 4 core/4 threads isn't gonna cut it anymore for triple A games by the time Q2 2018 rolls around. 4c/8t is gonna become the new baseline.
Highly recommend the Ryzen 5 1600 on that note, mine is a fuckin' champ. 6c/12t and almost as good single core performance as the equivalently priced 4c/4t Intel i5s.
Later in the year I'd like to gut my servers insides and side grade it to something much more efficient. And if I go threadripper I'd like to use that. My server draws about 230Watts currently, but I think only half that is drives. The other half is the mobo and CPU.
My 1700 on idle is supposedly like 10watts according to my Asus Software. That's be great simply for dumping less heat in the room.
Brt I feel like you buy new hardware and upgrade way too often
I had my 3770k build in 2012. Then in 2015 I bought a 980 Ti. Then earlier this year I got my server, then I moved my main computer to Ryzen in March. I just talk about it a lot I guess. Otherwise, my GPU is 2 years old, my case is 5 years old, and the rest is maybe 4 months a old Before that my build was between 5 and 6 years old. I don't think that's too often.
Otherwise my actual main computer is upgraded completely maybe every 4-5 years based on my current scheduling. I don't even really need threadripper. My 1700 handles everything I need right now. My thought was to replace the power hungry parts in the server which were doing mostly nothing, just idle, with something more efficient. Even considered like a i3 for a long time. But it's been in my mind to maybe put a Ryzen build in it, perhaps what I have in my system right now since it supports ECC.
Imma post this story here since I don't think I've told it before:
I once left a raspberri pi in charge of streaming media to a quarter mile long video screen in Las Vegas(Fremont Street Experience/VivaVision) on default settings. You haven't lived until you've been rickrolled in 360p stretched to 7552x552 over a quarter of a mile with a 200,000 watt sound system.
[QUOTE=Trekintosh;52534842]Imma post this story here since I don't think I've told it before:
I once left a raspberri pi in charge of streaming media to a quarter mile long video screen in Las Vegas(Fremont Street Experience/VivaVision) on default settings. You haven't lived until you've been rickrolled in 360p stretched to 7552x552 over a quarter of a mile with a 200,000 watt sound system.[/QUOTE]
holy shit
When you need threadripper in your LAN computer
[t]https://i.redd.it/hesd39ueredz.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=TrafficMan;52534969]When you need threadripper in your LAN computer
[t]https://i.redd.it/hesd39ueredz.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
But what if I need it in a PicoITX form factor
[t]https://imgkk.com/i/c7ks.jpg[/t]
I find it funny how the IO shield cover thing and the VRM cover is also half of the board
[QUOTE=Trekintosh;52534842]Imma post this story here since I don't think I've told it before:
I once left a raspberri pi in charge of streaming media to a quarter mile long video screen in Las Vegas(Fremont Street Experience/VivaVision) on default settings. You haven't lived until you've been rickrolled in 360p stretched to 7552x552 over a quarter of a mile with a 200,000 watt sound system.[/QUOTE]
I was there a few times earlier this year, that video wall was cool af
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;52534116]Work was throwing a bunch of stuff away so I rummaged through it in case there was anything useful.
Found some not-too-old COM express modules sort of like these.
[t]http://www.tuskembedded.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/COM-Express%C2%AE-Type-6-Rugged-Ultra-Lite-Carrier-Board.jpg[/t]
What the hell, these are amazing - mobile i7 and 16GB of RAM with full ports, even PCI-e x16 for only slightly larger than a Raspi. I would pay so much money for a fully modular laptop using these.[/QUOTE]
I just started my new job and there's an enormous ewaste bin in the middle of the office. The floor secretary wheeled in a bunch off cisco boxes and told us it was being turfed, we ALL got up and started rummaging around
I left with a cisco router, box still sealed with the original tape from what I can tell :v:
[editline]3rd August 2017[/editline]
The bin is just full of old network gear, laptops, assorted crap, and it's all fair game to take whatever you want
There was 5 cisco gigabit modules still in esd bags, took one even though I don't have the router that supports it :v:
Word on the streets is the Vega 56 benches better than a 1070
[QUOTE=Del91;52535422]Word on the streets is the Vega 56 benches better than a 1070[/QUOTE]
Right in time for the 1170 to outbench V64.
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;52535524]Right in time for the 1170 to outbench V64.[/QUOTE]
Sure, and thats fine. But unless it outbenches it by %25+ then Vega still stands to be intensely competitive by being half the price of its 10 series counterparts, but matching them.
Out of interest if I was to get an AMD card down the line what could I use to replace Shadowplay? I like to record my Overwatch POTG's.
[QUOTE=Genericenemy;52535587]Out of interest if I was to get an AMD card down the line what could I use to replace Shadowplay? I like to record my Overwatch POTG's.[/QUOTE]
AMD has introduced Relive, its their equivalent to Shadowplay. It seems to perform equally well in comparison.
[URL]https://gaming.radeon.com/en-us/radeonsoftware/crimson-relive/relive/[/URL]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ncPuM48.png[/img]
2017 year of AMD???
[QUOTE=tW4r;52535819]2017 year of AMD???[/QUOTE]
If nothing else I hope AMD's successes light a huge fire under Intel's ass. I feel like if I was to upgrade today I'd go AMD just because they've actually been putting effort into their recent products. Not just "Is it 5% faster than last gen? Can we sell a new chipset with it? Did we save another $0.03 on the TIM?"
I am still surprised how much response we got out of Intel.
[editline]3rd August 2017[/editline]
Not just CPU pricing itself, but AMD released a bunch of CPUs at right in the divide between Consumer and X99 that Intel maintained for like 5+ years.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;52535943]If nothing else I hope AMD's successes light a huge fire under Intel's ass. I feel like if I was to upgrade today I'd go AMD just because they've actually been putting effort into their recent products. Not just "Is it 5% faster than last gen? Can we sell a new chipset with it? Did we save another $0.03 on the TIM?"[/QUOTE]
Right now, Intel doesn't care a whole lot. Contrary to popular belief, they are not panicking. Desktop is mostly irrelevant to them. High-end desktop only makes them a small fraction of their total client group revenue, and low end desktop ends up costing them tons of money. Intel [b]has[/b] fired back with i9 and whatnot, yes but that's more due to wanting to keep market dominance, which looks nice to investors, than to actually beat Ryzen. They don't care about Ryzen or Threadripper. They don't need to. Desktop is a small market to them, and HEDT is only a fraction of that.
The place where they actually make money is laptop and server. Right now, AMD hasn't touched those fields properly. All of AMDs laptop field right now old APUs, which as we've seen, people aren't buying. We're having to wait for Raven Ridge before AMD touches that market properly.
The other is Epyc, which right now looks promising but is, in reality, very much a paper launch. You can get it, but it's not exactly competing or even being advertised by vendors. Its hard launch hasn't really happened yet.
So what needs to happen for Intel to actually care about AMD hasn't happened yet. It will soon, and then things will actually get interesting.
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