[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;52566418]I mean, GNU/Linux distros nowadays can do the job of 90% of the people who use windows daily and it has become painless to use and maintain compared to the past[/QUOTE]
Only that... they can't?
[QUOTE=Andre Gomes;52566882]Only that... they can't?[/QUOTE]
Honestly I'd argue at least a majority of users could. With a supported web browser and an office suite you can cover most people nowadays.
[QUOTE=Levelog;52566909]Honestly I'd argue at least a majority of users could. With a supported web browser and an office suite you can cover most people nowadays.[/QUOTE]
LibreOffice doesn't have *perfect* MS Office compatibility which makes it a bit of a hassle to use in an office setting where you need to send MS Office files to people.
Of course, it'd be nice if everyone just switched to Libre, but that's not always possible.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52566915]LibreOffice doesn't have *perfect* MS Office compatibility which makes it a bit of a hassle to use in an office setting where you need to send MS Office files to people.
Of course, it'd be nice if everyone just switched to Libre, but that's not always possible.[/QUOTE]
Not just that but LibreOffice is just not up to par. Calc just doesn't match up to Excel. It just doesn't, it's very far behind. I find myself frustrated by it often whenever I choose to use it. It's just not as good as Excel is.
Excel and Access aren't beaten by any linux alternative at this moment
Linux doesn't really have much in the way of video editing software either.
And the last of Autodesk and Adobe products is pretty killer for quite a large amount of people. Often the Linux alternatives to those applications aren't quite up to snuff for professionals.
None of these are things a majority of users need, though. Even arguably the more advanced capabilities of excel over calc.
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I mean I by no means think Linux is going to gain some market share, but it's technically possible.
My dad has been using excel for probably twenty+ years
He doesn't even bother with libre
Only upgraded from office 07 yesturday, now on 365, since he upgraded his computer.
Permanent payment plan for office didn't come with outlook
it's weird how office for one user is 90 bucks
but for five, only another 30 ($120), I think it's some bad pricing, maybe like sixty bucks per year would be more reasonable
also
They don't sell publisher anymore down under in 365, they do in the USA.
Not like it's got much of a use this day of age
[QUOTE=Levelog;52566972]None of these are things a majority of users need, though. Even arguably the more advanced capabilities of excel over calc.
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I mean I by no means think Linux is going to gain some market share, but it's technically possible.[/QUOTE]
Technically possible sure, but if people can't use Linux in their workplace, which a lot of people can't due to poor industry standard application support, then I highly doubt they're going to use Linux at home.
It's important to remember that Windows is annoying and shit for power users like us, but for the typical person none of Window's problems are annoying enough for them to switch to Linux.
I always see people claiming that there's a bunch of features missing from Calc, but what are these exactly?
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;52567036]I always see people claiming that there's a bunch of features missing from Calc, but what are these exactly?[/QUOTE]
[url]https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office#Spreadsheet_applications:_LibreOffice_Calc_vs._Microsoft_Excel[/url]
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GUGL
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;52567036]I always see people claiming that there's a bunch of features missing from Calc, but what are these exactly?[/QUOTE]
Enterprise databases and backends contained in VB macros
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52565688]So Linux with industry standard software and a system that "just werks", rather.[/QUOTE]
"Just werks", but stuck on OpenGL 4.1 and no Vulkan.
Let me know when Apple pulls their head out of their ass. They're probably going to suffocate up there.
WPS Office ( [url]https://www.wps.com/Linux[/url]) works great on Linux.
I haven't found any feature which I miss from MS Office (Neither with it's PowerPoint, Word or Excel variant) yet.
Uses the same ribbon interface too, so it's a drop-in replacement for most.
Someone asked me a question on IRC regarding logging in Python.
So I copypasted a line from my log that was relevant to what he wanted to do (debug info from urllib3).
I was working with a service that required an API key.
With is delivered as a GET parameter.
Which is part of the URL.
Which is shown in the debug-level logs.
I meant to regenerate that API key anyways.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52566953]Linux doesn't really have much in the way of video editing software either.
And the last of Autodesk and Adobe products is pretty killer for quite a large amount of people. Often the Linux alternatives to those applications aren't quite up to snuff for professionals.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://kdenlive.org/features/"]Kdenlive[/URL] works great for most home and general video editing.
There are no tools which I know of that provide the level of UX that Autodesk and Adobe does, however there are alternatives.
I feel that Autodesk and Adobe software are for professional use though, and is not show-stopper for most people.
//RIP merge
Updated to the latest x370 Prime Bios. Still can't get over 2666 without being unable to post. Tried moving from 15-17-17-35 to even 22-22-22-42. Still nothing. Tried boosting SOC v, still nothing. tried 2T command rate, still nothing. Tried all of it together. Still nothing.
So many folks reported being able to finally get their ram OC'd to 3.2, 3.4. I still can't get mine to the rated value.
I didn't try manually dialing it in, since I was using DOCP but with the ramspeed to 2666.
I don't bother with the docp profiles and I've gotten my ram up to 2900~
which sticks and board are you on?
Crosshair 6 and corsair vengeance LPX 16 gb(8x2) cmk16gx4m2b3000c15
[QUOTE=Levelog;52566909]Honestly I'd argue at least a majority of users could. With a supported web browser and an office suite you can cover most people nowadays.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Linux is idiot proof enough for the common folk, its extremely easy to break if you do something wrong. They'll still need to grab packages and run updates sometimes. I don't think its realistic to restrict them to a few applications and have that be enough. In most distro's current states I could see that being a problem.
[QUOTE=Saxon;52567455]I don't think Linux is idiot proof enough for the common folk, [b]its extremely easy to break if you do something wrong[/b]. They'll still need to grab packages and run updates sometimes. I don't think its realistic to restrict them to a few applications and have that be enough. In most distro's current states I could see that being a problem.[/QUOTE]
I mean, its true, but Windows isn't exactly the shining bastion of stability either. Its one of the few systems that can randomly break OS features for no apparent reason whatsoever through [i]no[/i] fault of the user. That is especially baffling for the non-technically inclined. Windows Update is especially notorious for this. Nothing quite like telling someone that their system probably got infected because Windows Update has been failing for two years. But the Group Policy Client Service is an honourable mention.
At least with Linux, something had to have obviously changed. Either user induced, or update related.
Tried doing it manual in my BIOS. still no dice.
Back to DOCP 2666
[QUOTE=aurum481;52567101]Enterprise databases and backends contained in VB macros[/QUOTE]
aaaaaaah that makes a lot of sense. I don't really use much more than simple statistic crap so I wouldn't really know.
If linux is going to take over for office stuff it's going to have to be on something fucking ancient like CentOS.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52566915]LibreOffice doesn't have *perfect* MS Office compatibility which makes it a bit of a hassle to use in an office setting where you need to send MS Office files to people.
Of course, it'd be nice if everyone just switched to Libre, but that's not always possible.[/QUOTE]
Newer MS Office versions is feeling like the Directions of Windows past 7.
1 step forward in one aspect, multiple steps backwards in others.
LibreOffice isn't as 'innovating' or sports new features as often as MS' own office suite nor does it follow their exact implementation, but it's far more dependable in regards of not fucking even .doc documents up between versions.
[QUOTE=helifreak;52567762]If linux is going to take over for office stuff it's going to have to be on something fucking ancient like CentOS.[/QUOTE]
So *buntu stable but with little more vetting?
[QUOTE=Brt5470;52564294]Depends what you want to use it for. ReFS can do checksums for metadata and optionally file data so the data being read is always verified to be good. It's also CoW so power loss doesn't cause corruption, it copies to new area before changing the pointers.
But if you want to use it for a general purpose drive for work, NTFS would be the way to go.
I use ReFS for my server since it's designed to just store data, and for my external portable drives and back up disks.[/QUOTE]
Those are neat features but I still don't really see myself on using it. Currently it's the 500GB WD Blue drive I use to direct all exports of media (photos, videos, etc.) so I suppose leaving it as ReFS would be fine. There's only ever a single copy of something on it anyways, and from there I'd copy it to somewhere else later. It's also the drive for uploading stuff to YouTube, etc.
[QUOTE=helifreak;52567762]If linux is going to take over for office stuff it's going to have to be on something fucking ancient like CentOS.[/QUOTE]
I think Xubuntu really strikes a decent medium between lightweight, classic and ease of use due to similarity to Windows.
It's just almost [I]too[/I] simple, but that's still better than something like GNOME.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;52568397]I think Xubuntu really strikes a decent medium between lightweight, classic and ease of use due to similarity to Windows.
It's just almost [I]too[/I] simple, but that's still better than something like GNOME.[/QUOTE]
It's missing a few minor features, but it isn't as lean & mean as LXDE/LXQt.
I've found KDE's GUI updater to be pretty competent nowadays
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