[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52686867]
Also, is X299 good for anything? Gamers and casual users will get Z270, workstation users will get AMD or Xeon, who does that leave?[/QUOTE]
Gamers who want more cores, but need/want that Intel IPC.
A market segment that coffee lake is going to cannibalize in a few months anyway.
[QUOTE=wingless;52686876]Blame the media industry and their insane beliefs on DRM, you know how this goes.[/QUOTE]
It's like they're advocating for piracy :v:
[editline]16th September 2017[/editline]
Do you have to chop off your ringer fingers too or something??
[QUOTE=glitchvid;52686970]Gamers who want more cores, but need/want that Intel IPC.
A market segment that coffee lake is going to cannibalize in a few months anyway.[/QUOTE]So Intel are also competing with themselves?
[QUOTE=wingless;52686876]Blame the media industry and their insane beliefs on DRM, you know how this goes.[/QUOTE]Oh god, the people they're trying to stop always find a way around it and those of us who just want to play the movie or run it off an in home NAS get caught in the shit storm.
So I finally broke down and bought a thinkpad because I wanted a nice laptop for school that also isn't comically massive. Found an x220 for like $60, did I make a good choice?
[QUOTE=papkee;52687088]So I finally broke down and bought a thinkpad because I wanted a nice laptop for school that also isn't comically massive. Found an x220 for like $60, did I make a good choice?[/QUOTE]
depends on specs and condition
[QUOTE=Van-man;52687143]depends on specs and condition[/QUOTE]
And if you have any other laptops
If you have any modern laptop, then an x220 is just plain outdated nowadays unless you pour your heart and soul into modding it. Upgrading an x220 to be fast is almost as costly as just getting a better, newer PC in the first place.
But if you don't, it's still perfectly usable, just not too modern
I've got a Y50 that's my workhorse when I'm on vacation/doing anything serious away from my desktop but it's a bit massive to be lugging around to class. I just wanted to pick up a cheap and solid laptop for note taking and general on-campus tasks. Probably going to throw mint or something on it and see how it feels.
It's the i5-2520 /4GB ram model. Seems like it should be able to do what I'm asking of it with no issues.
Also just wanted to get a thinkpad because I really liked my work x240 this summer at my internship.
If you don't care about Hackintosh the X230 is most likely a better choice. CPU is a generation newer and they're generally the same cost.
X220 ain't bad though, I'm rocking macOS on mine and it gets the job done.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;52687177]And if you have any other laptops
If you have any modern laptop, then an x220 is just plain outdated nowadays unless you pour your heart and soul into modding it. Upgrading an x220 to be fast is almost as costly as just getting a better, newer PC in the first place.
But if you don't, it's still perfectly usable, just not too modern[/QUOTE]
What? I got an X220 with an i5, 4GB RAM, and a 128GB SSD for $130. Spent $20 on another 4GB stick of RAM.
If you'd like to show me a newer, better PC for $150 I'm all ears.
[editline]16th September 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=papkee;52687197]I've got a Y50 that's my workhorse when I'm on vacation/doing anything serious away from my desktop but it's a bit massive to be lugging around to class. I just wanted to pick up a cheap and solid laptop for note taking and general on-campus tasks. Probably going to throw mint or something on it and see how it feels.
It's the i5-2520 /4GB ram model. Seems like it should be able to do what I'm asking of it with no issues.
Also just wanted to get a thinkpad because I really liked my work x240 this summer at my internship.[/QUOTE]
Yeah just throw an SSD in there and it should be good to go 👌
[QUOTE=wingless;52686738]Don't bother. Only three, I believe, UHD-BD drives for PC even exist at this point, and are a little pricey (Range anywhere from $150USD to $400USD), all made by Pioneer.
Next, in terms of software I believe the only piece of software capable of UHD-BD playback is Cyberlink PowerDVD, so your options are extremely limited.
Then you have the real kicker, minimum hardware requirements. As in, the only thing the ecosystem will let you do any of this on is Kaby Lake minimum (Not even Ryzen, due to lack of SGX), on top of this, making sure you have proper HDMI 2.0a output with HDCP 2.2 (No displayport, HDMI only).
Frankly, you're probably better off just getting a damned Xbox One S and sitting it next to your PC and just switching to a HDMI input on your display. It is such a shitshow.[/QUOTE]
Jesus, an entire console is cheaper than prepping a PC even before the Kabylake/HDMI fiasco.
Well. This is fun.
A phone number I use for business stuff has started to be spoofed by some robocall/spam service. I'm getting lots and lots of angry voicemails telling me to take them off a supposed call list. Having checked extensively through my providers call logs, those calls are not coming from me, it has to be spoofed.
Some people really are assholes.
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52688142]I never thought looking for a cheap and cheerful wireless keyboard could be so damn hard. Not even the really cheap Chinese stuff is cheap enough for me. (I'm looking at 10-15 bucks max)[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Classic-Ultra-Slim-Up-to-10-meter-distance-Mini-Bluetooth-3-0-Wireless-Keyboard-For-iPad/32788536941.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10065_10151_10068_10344_10342_10343_10340_10341_10193_10194_10304_10307_10137_10060_10302_10155_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_100031_10099_10338_10339_10103_10102_440_10052_10053_10107_10050_10142_10051_10320_10321_10322_10326_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10177_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_143_10180_10312_10313_10314_10184_10319_10078_10079_10073_10186,searchweb201603_19,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=9abdb1e5-09a3-431d-98d0-e638d709db01&algo_expid=e33a92b1-523b-4fa8-aa20-60fdc31af802-12&algo_pvid=e33a92b1-523b-4fa8-aa20-60fdc31af802[/url]
[editline]17th September 2017[/editline]
idk just search aliexpress, there's always smth
I have a Logitech K230. 20€ and included a Logitech Unifying adapter. Might not be on sale anymore though.
Rip
was my external drive I dedicated to client edits
[img]https://i.imgur.com/MMR6YhO.png[/img]
Oh well, I'll setup an advanced RMA I guess, stuff is backedup to like 5locations by now.
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52688331]should include a mouse or touchpad too may not have been specific enough
this is only gonna be used for when im lazy as hell and i only just wanna turn on my tv to use my pc from bed[/QUOTE]
[url]https://m.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-Keyboard-and-2-4GHz-Fly-Air-Mouse-Touchpad-for-PC-TV-Box-TV-Dongle-US-/371875757858?hash=item569585bf22%3Ag%3AkEcAAOSwB-1YxkVT&_trkparms=pageci%253A8b80291c-9b3a-11e7-b25e-74dbd1801482%257Cparentrq%253A8d1e83bd15e0a860d1962ff0ffddc169%257Ciid%253A8[/url]
These and similar ones are decent enough. I use em for my living room media computer, gets the job done without much fuss and it's in your price range.
[url]https://www.amazon.com/Keyboard-Wireless-Infrared-Dupad-Story/dp/B01DA0Y7SW[/url]
My coworker got one of these and I was surprised how well it worked
[editline]16th September 2017[/editline]
But if you're looking to do anymore than video control and basic searching it'll obviously be a pain
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52687206]
What? I got an X220 with an i5, 4GB RAM, and a 128GB SSD for $130. Spent $20 on another 4GB stick of RAM.
If you'd like to show me a newer, better PC for $150 I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]
Used PC prices are way too variable to argue about, but you have to consider aging screens, aging systemboards, aging batteries and aging ports.
An X230 decked out the same as an X220 can be found for around the same price and it has USB3 and newer graphics. As such there's no point in getting a model one year older, so it's getting pretty obsolete and I couldn't recommend one.
Also, it's sacrilege, but I don't really like X220s. The screen is a bit small for serious work (and U G G unless you get some specific combinations or mod one in) but the weight difference is negligible compared to a 14" laptop, and as a result it's kind of an awkward tablet too in the t trim.
The touchpad is also small and uncomfortable and most of the ones you find are old enough that they have that greasy worn-down keyboard and palmrest feel. Also, no USB 3.0.
Modern 13" laptops make sense because they weigh [I]nothing[/I] and fit in a DSLR bag, but the difference between a x220t and most 14" laptops is so minor that you may as well upsize.
Why does this guy want more than the original price for an x79 board?
[URL]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-ASUS-Rampage-IV-Black-Edition-Intel-X79-LGA2011-64GB-Motherboard-/152474333334?hash=item23802db096:g:pCUAAOSwjDZYZcz~[/URL]
It's 2 generations out of date. Talk about unrealistic, I can get a Rampage V for less money.
[QUOTE=Demache;52687429]Jesus, an entire console is cheaper than prepping a PC even before the Kabylake/HDMI fiasco.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the people in charge just don't understand the market. Also I don't know if this true, but I've heard BD-XL disc is what they've using for UHD, but they put some sort of hardware DRM on the disc so only UHD branded drives can read them.
This is a format that is competing with 4k streaming and they're making it harder for people to use it, not exactly the best way to do business.
pc isn't the primary uhd disk market though, it's Xbox one and PS4
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;52688848]pc isn't the primary uhd disk market though, it's Xbox one and PS4[/QUOTE]It is? That's sucks considering you can't tell the difference from that far away.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52688747]Yeah, the people in charge just don't understand the market. Also I don't know if this true, but I've heard BD-XL disc is what they've using for UHD, but they put some sort of hardware DRM on the disc so only UHD branded drives can read them.
This is a format that is competing with 4k streaming and they're making it harder for people to use it, not exactly the best way to do business.[/QUOTE]
The discs themselves, the 50GB is a standard dual-layer bluray, the 66GB is a dual layer BD-XL, 100GB is a 3-layer BD-XL. The discs themselves aren't special, the lack of use on older drives is purely for sake of compatibility, a UHD-BD's content isn't going to play in any existing bluray player (Encryption, encoding, disc format), on top of the fact there's never going to be a writable form of UHD-BD's (why would you? the advantage comes from BD-XL, so) that it's just a hard fork. I don't think it's too unreasonable, it does disadvantage people with existing BD-XL PC drives but honestly that market segment is so tiny that it doesn't [b]hugely[/b] matter.
I kinda forgot the console was still big with al the confusion in the market, like PC game streaming and the push to move away from console exclusives.
[QUOTE=wingless;52688873]The discs themselves, the 50GB is a standard dual-layer bluray, the 66GB is a dual layer BD-XL, 100GB is a 3-layer BD-XL. The discs themselves aren't special, the lack of use on older drives is purely for sake of compatibility, a UHD-BD's content isn't going to play in any existing bluray player (Encryption, encoding, disc format), on top of the fact there's never going to be a writable form of UHD-BD's (why would you? the advantage comes from BD-XL, so) that it's just a hard fork. I don't think it's too unreasonable, it does disadvantage people with existing BD-XL PC drives but honestly that market segment is so tiny that it doesn't [b]hugely[/b] matter.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but is the fact that any old BD-XL drive can't play them down to the fact they're hardware encrypted or something on a firmware level?
I'm just thinking though, they're competing with 4K streaming, so their market is limited to people who have bad internet and crazy people like me who want a physical media.
[QUOTE=wingless;52686738]Don't bother. Only three, I believe, UHD-BD drives for PC even exist at this point, and are a little pricey (Range anywhere from $150USD to $400USD), all made by Pioneer.
Next, in terms of software I believe the only piece of software capable of UHD-BD playback is Cyberlink PowerDVD, so your options are extremely limited.
Then you have the real kicker, minimum hardware requirements. As in, the only thing the ecosystem will let you do any of this on is Kaby Lake minimum [B](Not even Ryzen, due to lack of SGX)[/B], on top of this, making sure you have proper HDMI 2.0a output with HDCP 2.2 (No displayport, HDMI only).
Frankly, you're probably better off just getting a damned Xbox One S and sitting it next to your PC and just switching to a HDMI input on your display. It is such a shitshow.[/QUOTE]
Well, this is news to me..
I'm looking at a gaming laptop, thinking of a Lenovo y520 or a Razor Blade 14.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52689181]I'm looking at a gaming laptop, thinking of a Lenovo y520 or a Razor Blade 14.[/QUOTE]
My Y500 is still going strong after all these years, mainly because of the ultrabay expansion thing. Allows me to add another 650M for SLi which is neat. Shame that's not a common feature.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;52688738]Used PC prices are way too variable to argue about, but you have to consider aging screens, aging systemboards, aging batteries and aging ports.
An X230 decked out the same as an X220 can be found for around the same price and it has USB3 and newer graphics. As such there's no point in getting a model one year older, so it's getting pretty obsolete and I couldn't recommend one.
Also, it's sacrilege, but I don't really like X220s. The screen is a bit small for serious work (and U G G unless you get some specific combinations or mod one in) but the weight difference is negligible compared to a 14" laptop, and as a result it's kind of an awkward tablet too in the t trim.
The touchpad is also small and uncomfortable and most of the ones you find are old enough that they have that greasy worn-down keyboard and palmrest feel. Also, no USB 3.0.
Modern 13" laptops make sense because they weigh [I]nothing[/I] and fit in a DSLR bag, but the difference between a x220t and most 14" laptops is so minor that you may as well upsize.[/QUOTE]
To add: don't bother with laptops without USB 3 ports. It really depends on the person but I would personally want at least 3.
Only reason why I still have my x201t is because I got it for free almost a year ago, spent some money to get it up and running and it works good enough when I need to use it. It's not super fast or anything and I think I did everything I can to speed it up hardware-wise, besides getting a new battery. I mainly use my desktop now and I rarely have a reason to bring my laptop around anymore. The docking station makes it super easy to charge the laptop as I literally drop it onto the dock.
However I would pick a newer, cheaper laptop over an older one. Just put a bit more into the budget and you'd get something pretty decent. IIRC any laptop made in the past 4-5 years should have what I would need unless I wanted power compacted in an ultrabook.
[QUOTE=PyroCF;52689225]My Y500 is still going strong after all these years, mainly because of the ultrabay expansion thing. Allows me to add another 650M for SLi which is neat. Shame that's not a common feature.[/QUOTE]It seems like the Lenovo is going to be more upgradable, so I change the hard drive for a sata SSD, install an M.2 for booting and increase the RAM to 32GB later on, where as the Razer will have a single M.2 drive a 16GB of RAM forever, but has more sexy appeal and is a bit more portable.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52689310]It seems like the Lenovo is going to be more upgradable, so I change the hard drive for a sata SSD, install an M.2 for booting and increase the RAM to 32GB later on, where as the Razer will have a single M.2 drive a 16GB of RAM forever, but has more sexy appeal and is a bit more portable.[/QUOTE]
Upgradability is still pretty bad. Mine can go from 16 -> 64GB RAM, and 1 -> 4 SSDs.
What do you have?
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