One of my friends wants a Mac... Should I convince him otherwise?
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Just tell him not to get a Macbook Air and he'll be fine.
Also, how much processing power does he need?
I use my MacBook Pro for everything from 3D modeling and rendering to gaming. It's a fine workhorse computer that is sexy, light, powerful, and reliable. Sure it won't max Crysis or anything, but do you really need to max it? The newer ones are even better. It's really a personal preference. I am so tired of the "Macs can't game" bullshit. A lot of games are being released for Mac, and we also have Crossover Games to play even more games. And if it won't work with that either we can just install Windows and run it natively. I can play Crysis at all mediums with my 3 year old MBP, the newest ones should be able to play at least on some highs. Plus the high resolution screen option.
[editline]6th April 2011[/editline]
and also I do use windows every day more often than Mac OS X and I still prefer Mac. It comes down to preference.
If he want to get a mac, then let him get a mac. Your opinion SHOULDN'T force him not to buy it
You're just as bad as "macfags" are. You're being an obsessive OS nazi with no grounds or logic to your argument. Both are good, it's a matter of preference.
(By macfag I mean the obsessive, nazi "wintell is so ghey lol" type)
It's alright to let him get one, just don't let him get one for the wrong reasons.
They are nice but exspensive:
[B]15-inch: 2,2 GHz[/B]
Macbook Pro
[LIST]
[*] 2,2-GHz quad-core
Intel Core i7
[*] 4 GB, 1333 MHz
[*] 750 GB, 5400-rpm1
[*] Intel HD Graphics 3000
[*] AMD Radeon HD 6750M met 1 GB GDDR5
[*]€ 2.149,00
[/LIST]
I cant find any other laptop with a 6750, but the asus G53JW has an even better gpu and faster HDD.
It lacks nice screen from the apple (though its certainly not bad) but you can get that to if you buy a Sony/Dell with screen upgrade. for around 100€ extra.
[LIST]
[*] 2,2-GHz quad-core
Intel Core i7
[*] 4 GB, 1333 MHz
[*] [B]540 GB, 7200-rpm1[/B]
[*] GeForce GTX 460M
[*]€ 1339
[/LIST]
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;29012577]Little blue circles underneath each program icon[/QUOTE]
Nope, that tells you its open, not an ammount.
Just a little tidbit here: The MBP's hard drive can be swapped from the 750gb 5400 RPM to a 500gb 7200 RPM putting it just behind the Asus's drive in capacity for no extra charge. But they won't let you get 750gb [i]and[/i] 7200 RPM ugh.
[editline]6th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;29013760]Nope, that tells you its open, not an ammount.[/QUOTE]
OS X only allows you to open one instance of an application at a time. To see how many of anything are open at a glance, you can activate Expose with either a pre-defined hotkey or by assigning a corner of the screen to activate it. Example of Expose:
[media]http://www.vmware.com/files/images/screens_fusion/9_outlook.png[/media]
It also lets you assign multiple screens worth of windows to different virtual screens and swap between them with CMD+arrow keys. This allows you to keep all windows from one or two applications on one 'screen' and then swap to another 'screen' with a different set of windows on it. There are more incredibly useful things like that in OS X that really help improve the feel of the thing. It's one of the biggest things about OS X for me that makes me like it more than Windows. Closest windows has to these things is Aeropeek which is really lame in comparison
[QUOTE=MacTrekkie;29013771]OS X only allows you to open one instance of an application at a time.[/QUOTE]
Your joking, wow....
[editline]6th April 2011[/editline]
So can you have two finders open to drag files between?
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;29013853]Your joking, wow....
[editline]6th April 2011[/editline]
So can you have two finders open to drag files between?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because it's still one instance of Finder with two windows.
It's like how you don't have two versions of explorer.exe running when you have two folders open.
[QUOTE=MacTrekkie;29013771]Just a little tidbit here: The MBP's hard drive can be swapped from the 750gb 5400 RPM to a 500gb 7200 RPM putting it just behind the Asus's drive in capacity for no extra charge. But they won't let you get 750gb [i]and[/i] 7200 RPM ugh.
[editline]6th April 2011[/editline]
OS X only allows you to open one instance of an application at a time. To see how many of anything are open at a glance, you can activate Expose with either a pre-defined hotkey or by assigning a corner of the screen to activate it. Example of Expose:
[media]http://www.vmware.com/files/images/screens_fusion/9_outlook.png[/media]
It also lets you assign multiple screens worth of windows to different virtual screens and swap between them with CMD+arrow keys. This allows you to keep all windows from one or two applications on one 'screen' and then swap to another 'screen' with a different set of windows on it. There are more incredibly useful things like that in OS X that really help improve the feel of the thing. It's one of the biggest things about OS X for me that makes me like it more than Windows. Closest windows has to these things is Aeropeek which is really lame in comparison[/QUOTE]
Every linux distro has that virtual screen thing but I never really used it. It's similar to the Firefox tab group thing.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;28999494]The one thing Windows users don't get is how good Macs are until they actually use them themselves.
I was totally anti-apple before I got my Air, now I feel I've seen the light. I even rolled with the whole stupid 'hardware underpowered for the price' debate.
[editline]5th April 2011[/editline]
'Low software support'?
Pretty much everything works on mac unless your a H4RDC0R3 GAM3R, or Windows Programmer. The guy doesn't sound like any of these things.[/QUOTE]
if you paid for it, have fucking fun buying a new one in a year when apple stops supporting it
I may be awfully wrong, but, IMO, getting a virus is just like getting an STD. You only get them if you are a moron.
Also, I really don't know why people consider Macs to be better when they seem to be more expensive and weaker compared to their PC counterparts. Hell, for the price of a Mac, you get a WAY better PC.
Not only that, he's probably fucked to find software for it, or at the very least if he wants to play any games. All he'll be getting will be mostly a piece of stylish overpriced crap that costs almost as much as my dad's used car.
Opinion.
Just get his priorities first, and if he doesn't has price limits, oh well.
[QUOTE=dass;29014072]I may be awfully wrong, but, IMO, getting a virus is just like getting an STD. You only get them if you are a moron.
Also, I really don't know why people consider Macs to be better when they seem to be more expensive and weaker compared to their PC counterparts. Hell, for the price of a Mac, you get a WAY better PC.
Not only that, he's probably fucked to find software for it, or at the very least if he wants to play any games. All he'll be getting will be mostly a piece of stylish overpriced crap that costs almost as much as my dad's used car.
Opinion.
Just get his priorities first, and if he doesn't has price limits, oh well.[/QUOTE]
I like the STD analogy. Wear a condom and use common sense, you'll never get an STD, unless it's a bad quality condom (norton) or it's a super latex-eating STD.
And never wear two condoms at the same time, and make sure you don't use an oil based lubricant or it will dissolve the condom.
Wait...
What does the oil based lube represent?
[QUOTE=ProWaffle;29014329]Wait...
What does the oil based lube represent?[/QUOTE]
Internet Explorer?
There are several STDs you can get with or without a condom, like crabs, or herpes.
If your friend in the OP wants a Mac, by all means, let him spend that kind of cash. He'll realize his mistake a few days later. :smile:
[QUOTE=Dutch Bros;29029891]There are several STDs you can get with or without a condom, like crabs, or herpes.
If your friend in the OP wants a Mac, by all means, let him spend that kind of cash. He'll realize his mistake a few days later. :smile:[/QUOTE]
Or he'll realize he likes it a lot and be happy with it :smile:
[QUOTE=MacTrekkie;29030098]Or he'll realize he likes it a lot and be happy with it :smile:[/QUOTE]
I don't doubt he'll like the Mac, just not the pricetag.
Teach him the ways of Linux. I'd rather be using that than OSX.
[QUOTE=MacTrekkie;29013771]Just a little tidbit here: The MBP's hard drive can be swapped from the 750gb 5400 RPM to a 500gb 7200 RPM putting it just behind the Asus's drive in capacity for no extra charge. But they won't let you get 750gb [i]and[/i] 7200 RPM ugh.
[editline]6th April 2011[/editline]
OS X only allows you to open one instance of an application at a time. To see how many of anything are open at a glance, you can activate Expose with either a pre-defined hotkey or by assigning a corner of the screen to activate it. Example of Expose:
[media]http://www.vmware.com/files/images/screens_fusion/9_outlook.png[/media]
It also lets you assign multiple screens worth of windows to different virtual screens and swap between them with CMD+arrow keys. This allows you to keep all windows from one or two applications on one 'screen' and then swap to another 'screen' with a different set of windows on it. There are more incredibly useful things like that in OS X that really help improve the feel of the thing. It's one of the biggest things about OS X for me that makes me like it more than Windows. Closest windows has to these things is Aeropeek which is really lame in comparison[/QUOTE]
Thats usefull.
Im a tabaholic, I have around 27 tabs open in Firefox(school) and another 15 in Chrome (rest), being able to do this with windows like Excell, WMP and word would be very usefull for me.
Yup, that's pretty much exactly what it is. Tabs for your operating system.
[url]http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/expose.html[/url]
What about a top end Windows laptop (Same price as a MacBook Pro but with better specs), and install Ubuntu on it?
Ubuntu is easy enough to use, and it's free to upgrade too.
[QUOTE=Dutch Bros;29030181]I don't doubt he'll like the Mac, just not the pricetag.[/QUOTE]
If he doesn't like the price tag, he won't buy it. You don't realize prize "after" you buy something unless you're an idiot.
[QUOTE=Dutch Bros;29030181]I don't doubt he'll like the Mac, just not the pricetag.[/QUOTE]
I think my Air will outlive any Windows-based laptop. Here's why.
It runs all of the stuff I need it to flawlessly, like Photoshop, Traktor, Chrome, Zbrush and occasionally Steam, for games.
All of the above mentioned software boots in under two seconds, and I've never fully restarted my Air ever, only when I've performed updates, other than that, I leave it in Sleep mode, which it can boot in 1 second from.
None of the software mentioned above has ever paused, failed to perform an operation, crashed, glitched, lagged or froze up in any way shape or form.
In terms of transport I shut the lid and whip it into it's slip cover and it's good to go, no plugs or cables or anything needed to get a good 8-hours out of it, I can shake it, knock it and bump it and the SSD is perfectly intact as it was previously, it's so sturdy in my hands I feel it would be truly difficult to damage it, despite it being so lightweight and thin.
This means that over the past 4 months, I've experienced nothing but unparalleled software-hardware bliss, everything has run according to plan from day one, giving me more time to be appreciating the sheer beauty of this marvelously constructed piece of engineering.
I have [b]NEVER[/b] been frustrated, annoyed or angered by it's operation in any way.
To top it all off, if anything [b]DID[/b] happen to it in the next 3 years, I could get a brand new replacement by going into any apple store and handing it over, and all my stuff would be copied over.
It feels like I'm holding a slice of the future in my hands, and to be honest I am. This is what computer engineers should be striving towards with their software/hardware all the time.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;28999152]Okay, go to a site that is normally completely secure that has recently been infected with a worm that creates a drive-by download using a zero-day exploit.
Go tell me then how your common sense faired.[/QUOTE]
I find it funny that people say this. I use an anti-virus usually, but I have yet to come across a safe site I visit reguarly, and then see how the site has been infected with a worm that creates a drive-by download using a zero day exploit.
Not saying you shouldn't use a virusscanner of some sort, but I just don't like that argument because it has basically never happened to me in many years.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;29036109]I think my Air will outlive any Windows-based laptop. Here's why.
It runs all of the stuff I need it to flawlessly, like Photoshop, Traktor, Chrome, Zbrush and occasionally Steam, for games.
All of the above mentioned software boots in under two seconds, and I've never fully restarted my Air ever, only when I've performed updates, other than that, I leave it in Sleep mode, which it can boot in 1 second from.
None of the software mentioned above has ever paused, failed to perform an operation, crashed, glitched, lagged or froze up in any way shape or form.
In terms of transport I shut the lid and whip it into it's slip cover and it's good to go, no plugs or cables or anything needed to get a good 8-hours out of it, I can shake it, knock it and bump it and the SSD is perfectly intact as it was previously, it's so sturdy in my hands I feel it would be truly difficult to damage it, despite it being so lightweight and thin.
This means that over the past 4 months, I've experienced nothing but unparalleled software-hardware bliss, everything has run according to plan from day one, giving me more time to be appreciating the sheer beauty of this marvelously constructed piece of engineering.
I have [b]NEVER[/b] been frustrated, annoyed or angered by it's operation in any way.
To top it all off, if anything [b]DID[/b] happen to it in the next 3 years, I could get a brand new replacement by going into any apple store and handing it over, and all my stuff would be copied over.
It feels like I'm holding a slice of the future in my hands, and to be honest I am. This is what computer engineers should be striving towards with their software/hardware all the time.[/QUOTE]
Is steve jobs holding you at gunpoint or something?
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;29036109]I think my Air will outlive any Windows-based laptop. Here's why.
It runs all of the stuff I need it to flawlessly, like Photoshop, Traktor, Chrome, Zbrush and occasionally Steam, for games.
All of the above mentioned software boots in under two seconds, and I've never fully restarted my Air ever, only when I've performed updates, other than that, I leave it in Sleep mode, which it can boot in 1 second from.
None of the software mentioned above has ever paused, failed to perform an operation, crashed, glitched, lagged or froze up in any way shape or form.
In terms of transport I shut the lid and whip it into it's slip cover and it's good to go, no plugs or cables or anything needed to get a good 8-hours out of it, I can shake it, knock it and bump it and the SSD is perfectly intact as it was previously, it's so sturdy in my hands I feel it would be truly difficult to damage it, despite it being so lightweight and thin.
This means that over the past 4 months, I've experienced nothing but unparalleled software-hardware bliss, everything has run according to plan from day one, giving me more time to be appreciating the sheer beauty of this marvelously constructed piece of engineering.
I have [b]NEVER[/b] been frustrated, annoyed or angered by it's operation in any way.
To top it all off, if anything [b]DID[/b] happen to it in the next 3 years, I could get a brand new replacement by going into any apple store and handing it over, and all my stuff would be copied over.
It feels like I'm holding a slice of the future in my hands, and to be honest I am. This is what computer engineers should be striving towards with their software/hardware all the time.[/QUOTE]
The only problem is that it will outlive any windows based laptop FOR YOU.
The macbook air can't do everything I would want it to do, so it already has been passed up by most every windows based laptop out right now.
I think my windows laptop will outlive any macbook air.
It runs all the stuff I need, Visual Studio, Office, Photoshop, 3DS Max, Steam, a huge variety of games.
All of the above boot insanely quick, seeings how I spent the same amount of money on this laptop as you spent on your macbook air. I have an i7 with 6GB of ram so all programs run extremely well (except minecraft........) and compiling never takes me very long at all.
The only programs that have ever screwed up were poorly programmed and have nothing to do with the fact that it is a windows laptop.
If I really need to transport it I usually have my bookbag with me since it is designed to hold a laptop I keep it around. I usually don't need to transport it too often though. It isn't very heavy at all, it isn't as light as the macbook air, but it is a hell of a lot lighter than a desktop replacement. 4 hours of use with it is amazing, especially when you take into account it has an i7 and an Nvidia with Cuda. I guess I could shake it, but I don't really do that?
Over the past 3 months that I have had this I have never experienced anything but pure love for this beautiful, powerful and sophisticated machine.
The only thing that has frustrated me is that blu-ray movies are still expensive and I have a bluray player in my laptop... so it doesn't get used much. That isn't a problem with the laptop that is a problem with new technology.
To top it all off, it is a Sony. If anything happens to it, my full warranty covers everything and if it ever gets lost or stolen Sony has system set up for that.
Feels like I am holding a super computer in my hands, and honestly I am. This laptop shows what REAL computer engineers can do, with an equivalent budget of apple.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;29036109]I think my Air will outlive any Windows-based laptop. Here's why.
It runs all of the stuff I need it to flawlessly, like Photoshop, Traktor, Chrome, Zbrush and occasionally Steam, for games.
All of the above mentioned software boots in under two seconds, and I've never fully restarted my Air ever, only when I've performed updates, other than that, I leave it in Sleep mode, which it can boot in 1 second from.
None of the software mentioned above has ever paused, failed to perform an operation, crashed, glitched, lagged or froze up in any way shape or form.
In terms of transport I shut the lid and whip it into it's slip cover and it's good to go, no plugs or cables or anything needed to get a good 8-hours out of it, I can shake it, knock it and bump it and the SSD is perfectly intact as it was previously, it's so sturdy in my hands I feel it would be truly difficult to damage it, despite it being so lightweight and thin.
This means that over the past 4 months, I've experienced nothing but unparalleled software-hardware bliss, everything has run according to plan from day one, giving me more time to be appreciating the sheer beauty of this marvelously constructed piece of engineering.
I have [b]NEVER[/b] been frustrated, annoyed or angered by it's operation in any way.
To top it all off, if anything [b]DID[/b] happen to it in the next 3 years, I could get a brand new replacement by going into any apple store and handing it over, and all my stuff would be copied over.
It feels like I'm holding a slice of the future in my hands, and to be honest I am. This is what computer engineers should be striving towards with their software/hardware all the time.[/QUOTE]
That's how I felt when I first got my MacBook Pro. That's how I still feel using it to this day 3 years later.
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