The problem is the OS is reluctant to return the RAM an application requires if it is using it. Once the OS has got itself in most of the memory you usually have to force applications to end and free up memory manually to be able to view picture heavy pages in Safari.
Maybe they will just save the application state and close it, then when you open it again it goes back to when you closed it?
I have Pre switcher for multitasking on my iPhone and I honestly don't use it. It's been so long that any app that would normally run in the background justs uses Push. I don't see the fuss about it unless you want proper spotify/last.fm.
I have Pro Switcher as well. I use it very rarely. If anything, I'll use SBSettings first to clear a backgrounded process.
[QUOTE=apwd007;19752662]Yes, have a look at some recent operating systems such as Vista or Windows 7. They dynamically allocate extra free memory to system processes, then free it if applications need it. Taking advantage of the majority of resources on offer isn't a bad thing, especially in the mobile market, where there is limited to begin with. Apple have already increased the performance of the OS over the releases and at the end of the day, there is a limit to what can be done with 128mb of RAM. Increasing the RAM in the phone is a much better option (as they did with the 3GS), than spending hundreds/thousands of programming hours optimizing system processes to free a megabyte or two of memory.
Oh and battery life is the main reason they've not introduced multitasking yet.[/QUOTE]
While that is true, it is a problem when the OS keeps holding things in the RAM, and doesn't clear it out. After awhile, apps (especially Safari) just randomly start crashing because I scrolled to fast. Then I'm forced to restart. I see what you mean about letting free RAM being used by system resources, but quite often, I find that random clutter just fills the RAM and the OS doesn't release it, forcing me to reboot the whole thing. I know it gets real bad when music starts skipping even while its not doing anything else. Not an end of the world thing, since rebooting doesn't take much longer than a minute or two.
But what I don't get, is how one of the world's best smartphone OS's (I'm not going to lie, iPhone OS is pretty awesome when jailbroken, even if it does lack multitasking) has this problem, but Nokia Symbian doesn't? I've never had apps randomly crash, music stuttering, or any of that in Symbian, even on a far less powerful phone.
Maybe my iPod Touch is just defective.
You have an older iDevice with 128MB. The newest generation has twice that and crashing doesn't ever happen with them.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;19775632]You have an older iDevice with 128MB. The newest generation has twice that and crashing doesn't ever happen with them.[/QUOTE]
That probably is what does it. 128 MB really isn't a lot. Especially for web browsing. But my Nokia seems to be perfectly content with that much. Of course, Symbian is a lot older, and doesn't have much for eye candy (um, full color icons?).
Safari is pretty good at what it does. It indeed uses a lot of memory, but it still holds the cake for being the smoothest mobile browser.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;19793896]Safari is pretty good at what it does. It indeed uses a lot of memory, but it still holds the cake for being the smoothest mobile browser.[/QUOTE]
True that. It just needs real flash support (optional loading, like it is on my Nokia), and it would be the sex.
Ah, I have a hard time believing flash would work well on an iPhone/iPod touch. It lags enough on my laptop, so I can't imagine what it will do on the iPhone.
Although, the PSP handled flash rather well, I think, so there's still some hope.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;19794030]Ah, I have a hard time believing flash would work well on an iPhone/iPod touch. It lags enough on my laptop, so I can't imagine what it will do on the iPhone.
Although, the PSP handled flash rather well, I think, so there's still some hope.[/QUOTE]
Probably on a 3GS most likely. Flash does tend to be a RAM and CPU hog. But it works well enough on my Nokia, which I think is 300 mhz and 128 MB of RAM. It isn't Flash 10, but it works well enough for most flash animations and video players, even if it doesn't always play 100% smoothly.
We'd totally have Flash support by now if Apple weren't such fucking assholes.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;19794177]We'd totally have Flash support by now if Apple weren't such fucking assholes.[/QUOTE]
I know. Not sure on this, but wasn't one of their reasons that "Flash is a dated technology" or something like that? That's absolute bull when most multimedia based sites use it. Performance and battery life concerns are somewhat reasonable, but even then, you could make it an option in Safari settings (Always load Flash content - Only on demand). So it could be an opt-in or an opt-out sort of thing so everyone is happy.
I think actually the reason might have been that Flash was too system-altering to be considered as an app or something like that, which is bullshit because it's supposed to be built-in to Safari and not a standalone app.
What's more disappointing is that it hasn't been done by the jailbreak community. There's been very little attempts to get flash working and frankly, they all suck.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;19794484]I think actually the reason might have been that Flash was too system-altering to be considered as an app or something like that, which is bullshit because it's supposed to be built-in to Safari and not a standalone app.
What's more disappointing is that it hasn't been done by the jailbreak community. There's been very little attempts to get flash working and frankly, they all suck.[/QUOTE]
I hate that everyone is so hellbent on custom firmware without restrictions on the iPhone, PSP, and the Wii. And when the firmware is patched and working without restrictions, no developers take advantage of it. Flash is a prime example. I'm still waiting for Firefox ports to show up on iPhone and PSP, since both bundled browsers suck ass. The PSP probably pisses me off the most. They could use the PSP for movie encoding, better movie and music playback, wireless gamepads via wi-fi (like the iphone can do via wifi-pad), the possibilities are endless. But it's like the Dev's finally free the firmware, then look at each-other and say "Great, now what the fuck do we do with it?" *shrugs* :confused: The few apps and lame homebrew games surface, and never feel complete or feature-rich. Or it's some demo bullshit that they make you buy for the full features. I'd love to see the PS3 have the ability to rip unprotected DVDs and Blu-ray discs to the harddrive as m2ts streams, or MP4 files the PSP could play back.
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;19798304]I hate that everyone is so hellbent on custom firmware without restrictions on the iPhone, PSP, and the Wii. And when the firmware is patched and working without restrictions, no developers take advantage of it. Flash is a prime example. I'm still waiting for Firefox ports to show up on iPhone and PSP, since both bundled browsers suck ass. The PSP probably pisses me off the most. They could use the PSP for movie encoding, better movie and music playback, wireless gamepads via wi-fi (like the iphone can do via wifi-pad), the possibilities are endless. But it's like the Dev's finally free the firmware, then look at each-other and say "Great, now what the fuck do we do with it?" *shrugs* :confused: The few apps and lame homebrew games surface, and never feel complete or feature-rich. Or it's some demo bullshit that they make you buy for the full features. I'd love to see the PS3 have the ability to rip unprotected DVDs and Blu-ray discs to the harddrive as m2ts streams, or MP4 files the PSP could play back.[/QUOTE]
There are lots of awesome jailbreak apps. Also,
[quote]I'm still waiting for Firefox ports to show up on [b]iPhone[/b] and PSP, since both [b]bundled browsers suck ass.[/b][/quote]
:what:
I think Safari is perfect in almost every way aside from the lack of flash support.
[QUOTE=Demache;19737716]+1. Even my Nokia E63 has that. And their built-in music playing application is pretty bland to say the least.[/QUOTE]
"Even my nokia..."
Nokia makes quality stuff you know. :geno:
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;19798304]I hate that everyone is so hellbent on custom firmware without restrictions on the iPhone, PSP, and the Wii. And when the firmware is patched and working without restrictions, no developers take advantage of it. Flash is a prime example. I'm still waiting for Firefox ports to show up on iPhone and PSP, since both bundled browsers suck ass. The PSP probably pisses me off the most. They could use the PSP for movie encoding, better movie and music playback, wireless gamepads via wi-fi (like the iphone can do via wifi-pad), the possibilities are endless. But it's like the Dev's finally free the firmware, then look at each-other and say "Great, now what the fuck do we do with it?" *shrugs* :confused: The few apps and lame homebrew games surface, and never feel complete or feature-rich. Or it's some demo bullshit that they make you buy for the full features. I'd love to see the PS3 have the ability to rip unprotected DVDs and Blu-ray discs to the harddrive as m2ts streams, or MP4 files the PSP could play back.[/QUOTE]
I find it ironic that on the PSP emulating a cell phone with PSPKVM and using Opera Mini is a few ten times faster than actually using the built-in browser
[QUOTE=Demache;19737716]+1. Even my Nokia E63 has that. And their built-in music playing application is pretty bland to say the least.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean, bland? What, do you expect it to flash colors onto the headphone wire from inside your pocket? Jesus, if it plays music there isn't a problem with it.
[QUOTE=trent_roolz;19840144]What do you mean, bland? What, do you expect it to flash colors onto the headphone wire from inside your pocket? Jesus, if it plays music there isn't a problem with it.[/QUOTE]
My Samsung Messenger is "bland", putting it lightly... There's no Equalizer, so that's an instant turn-off... And it only shows some cover-art, not all of it. Come ID3 tags show up garbled, when they are fine on my pc. It also only plays mp3s... where most players support wma and wav too. Navigating the playlists are another story... to many menus for anyone to use the phone as a practical music device... it's more of a backup when my iTouch's battery dies.
Dunno if it's just me but nothing in that list made me go "yay"
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;19737955]Then where can i get an app to overclock (de-underclock) my ARM processor, because even basic GBA and NES emulators are too laggy to play on my 1st-gen touch.[/QUOTE]
I have a first gen and I can play those just fine..
Anyways, as for cutting supporting for ANY iPod Touch/iPhone is ridiculous and I highly freakin' doubt it'll happen
The shit hardware of the old devices is just holding Apple back. I wouldn't blame them.
I sure hope they don't drop support for the 2nd gen iPod Touch. It was a dick move to take a 8gb 2G and repackage it as a 3G, but dropping support would be outrageous.
Not everyone can afford to throw down $300 for a 32gb Touch.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;19793896]Safari is pretty good at what it does. It indeed uses a lot of memory, but it still holds the cake for being the smoothest mobile browser.[/QUOTE]
Android's browser is on par, if not better.
[QUOTE=Crit-Sandvich;19872344]I sure hope they don't drop support for the 2nd gen iPod Touch. It was a dick move to take a 8gb 2G and repackage it as a 3G, but dropping support would be outrageous.
Not everyone can afford to throw down $300 for a 32gb Touch.[/QUOTE]
I think it'd be the 1st gen one only
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;19882886]Android's browser is on par, if not better.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't even feature multitouch. No thanks.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;19794484]I think actually the reason might have been that Flash was too system-altering to be considered as an app or something like that, which is bullshit because it's supposed to be built-in to Safari and not a standalone app.
What's more disappointing is that it hasn't been done by the jailbreak community. There's been very little attempts to get flash working and frankly, they all suck.[/QUOTE]
That's because flash hasn't been ported to the iPhone yet. The full version causes too much lag and the mobile version isn't even worth having.
But on the bright side Adobe is actively working with Apple on developing a full-feature flash player to be integrated with Safari on the iPhone so we may see native flash support eventually.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;19891527]That's because flash hasn't been ported to the iPhone yet. The full version causes too much lag and the mobile version isn't even worth having.
But on the bright side Adobe is actively working with Apple on developing a full-feature flash player to be integrated with Safari on the iPhone so we may see native flash support eventually.[/QUOTE]
No, Adobe did its part of the job and offered the technology to Apple, but Apple suggests it is too 'intrusive' and is in disagreement with several restrictions. Adobe is done here. The only issue is Apple. Try downloading Flash on your iDevice and see what the page will say.
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