I can't absolutely change anything I want to, well I guess I could go back to the kernel and change everything, but then it wouldn't be Fedora or Mint or Ubuntu or whatever. Like in Arch or Gentoo, you start with just the absolute base, then you build it up, and it feels like an accomplishment when your kernel full of hacks doesn't panic anymore. Or, you have Fedora, where it's literally like 10 clicks to install a completely working, graphical, Wi-Fi capable operating system. Just doesn't feel the same :colbert:
I've never used Fedora. How is it? How does it compare to newbuntu?
[QUOTE=Dr. Deeps;26733312]I've never used Fedora. How is it? How does it compare to newbuntu?[/QUOTE]
Fedora is way better than Ubuntu. Ubuntu has been buggy lately, but Fedora has been pretty solid in my experience.
It's been a while since I touched ubuntu. We installed and fiddled with fedora in my Operating systems class. I have to say that I like the fedora installer more than the ubuntu one.
Is the Humble Indie Bundle #2 available on Steam? I got a steam key for the original a few days ago.
[QUOTE=birkett;26734465]Is the Humble Indie Bundle #2 available on Steam? I got a steam key for the original a few days ago.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't appear to be right now. Maybe it'll get added later on like the first.
[QUOTE=Boris-B;26733756]It's been a while since I touched ubuntu. We installed and fiddled with fedora in my Operating systems class. I have to say that I like the fedora installer more than the ubuntu one.[/QUOTE]
I like the bootloader install option, but that's about all that sways my decision.
I've been messing around with symbolic links in Linux: The code of the website I have to make for school is in dropbox, but my server is in /srv/http/website.
I made symbolic links that refer to the files in Dropbox. It works great.
I tried this in windows with the mklink command, but it doesn't fucking work anymore when I batch rename the files.
I think I'm gonna try to install Gentoo on my laptop, and if it will fail, back to Arch!
[b]EDIT:[/b] Actually, scratch this - can't bother reinstalling all of this shit.
[b]EDIT 2:[/b] Wait a minute... maybe... YES!
Thinking about wiping my netbook with a fucked up FS of Ubuntu 10.04 on it and installing Arch, what packages / alternatives do you guys suggest?
XFCE or just a window manager. My friend has Ubuntu+gnome on his netbook and it's kind of slowish.
Gnome is doable though.
[QUOTE=FPtje;26757755]XFCE or just a window manager. My friend has Ubuntu+gnome on his netbook and it's kind of slowish.
Gnome is doable though.[/QUOTE]
LXDE is the best bet for a slowish computer imo. Still looks great and is super light.
I'll have a fiddle with KDE on Arch just for fun (already got Arch on my laptop).
While I'm here, what window manager would you guys suggest for my main PC (phenom II, so plenty powerful)? I was thinking openbox, but might end up doing Gnome (I spent ages trying to get openbox to talk to the xserver)
[QUOTE=leach139;26757008]Thinking about wiping my netbook with a fucked up FS of Ubuntu 10.04 on it and installing Arch, what packages / alternatives do you guys suggest?[/QUOTE]
I usually use openbox and just install xfce-goodies instead of bothering finding the right everything for everything
I still use GNOME, but considering every time they update they [i]remove[/i] functionality in the name of simplicity. I don't think I will for much longer
[QUOTE=Cluckyx;26763971]I still use GNOME, but considering every time they update they [i]remove[/i] functionality in the name of simplicity. I don't think I will for much longer[/QUOTE]
that new ui in 4.0 or whichever one got totally changed to hell reminds me too much of iPhones and iPod Touches and I have a vendetta against them because they're dumb
XFCE for new ubuntu main (though I don't use it)
[editline]18th December 2010[/editline]
i mean ubuntu not XFCE
[QUOTE=Cluckyx;26763971]I still use GNOME, but considering every time they update they [i]remove[/i] functionality in the name of simplicity. I don't think I will for much longer[/QUOTE]
Whether I'l be still using GNOME after the 3.0 update depends on how much they fuck it up.
[QUOTE=FPtje;26770762]Whether I'l be still using GNOME after the 3.0 update depends on how much they fuck it up.[/QUOTE]
The gnome 3 shell at the moment is looking pretty good.
I still think Openbox+tint2 or Xfce-panel is the best DE/WM
What does the gvim error "E488: Trailing Characters" mean? I get it everytime I try and delete more than one line. vi doesn't seem to have a problem with deleting multiple lines, but gvim seems to make it such a big deal and it's pretty annoying when I need to delete a 20 line function and I have to do it one line at a time.
I just installed the bash-completion package on arch. When I open xterm it takes a good while for the bash prompt to show. It doesn't take ages but it does take a good few seconds to show up.
It's most likely because of the size of bash-completion. Is there a way I can prevent certain parts of bash-completion from loading.
Basically the commands I don't really use.
[QUOTE=Boris-B;26789822]I just installed the bash-completion package on arch. When I open xterm it takes a good while for the bash prompt to show. It doesn't take ages but it does take a good few seconds to show up.
It's most likely because of the size of bash-completion. Is there a way I can disable certain parts of bash-completion to load.
Basically the commands I don't really use.[/QUOTE]
I think an open-source edit and recompile is the only way to trim it down. :/
I've looked through the script and looked at a few things it does. Whenever it's assigns a function for the complete command it makes sure that the thing exists.
For about anything it does it check if the program is installed.
[editline]18th December 2010[/editline]
The only thing that I could find to be remotely redundant is that at the beginning of the script there is a good number of programs that are associated with certain file types.
Then, at the end of the script, the previous associations are removed and replaced by something else. Also, there seems to be no checking to see if the command exists.
[editline]18th December 2010[/editline]
Here's the stuff at the begining of the file:
[code]# The following section lists completions that are redefined later
# Do NOT break these over multiple lines.
#
# START exclude -- do NOT remove this line
# bzcmp, bzdiff, bz*grep, bzless, bzmore intentionally not here, see Debian: #455510
complete -f -X '!*.?(t)bz?(2)' bunzip2 bzcat pbunzip2 pbzcat
complete -f -X '!*.@(zip|ZIP|[ejw]ar|[EJW]AR|exe|EXE|pk3|wsz|zargo|xpi|sxw|o[tx]t|od[fgpst]|epub)' unzip zipinfo
complete -f -X '*.Z' compress znew
# zcmp, zdiff, z*grep, zless, zmore intentionally not here, see Debian: #455510
complete -f -X '!*.@(Z|[gGd]z|t[ag]z)' gunzip zcat unpigz
complete -f -X '!*.Z' uncompress
# lzcmp, lzdiff intentionally not here, see Debian: #455510
complete -f -X '!*.lzma' lzcat lzegrep lzfgrep lzgrep lzless lzmore unlzma
complete -f -X '!*.@(xz|lzma)' unxz xzcat
complete -f -X '!*.@(gif|jp?(e)g|miff|tif?(f)|pn[gm]|p[bgp]m|bmp|xpm|ico|xwd|tga|pcx|GIF|JP?(E)G|MIFF|TIF?(F)|PN[GM]|P[BGP]M|BMP|XPM|ICO|XWD|TGA|PCX)' ee
complete -f -X '!*.@(gif|jp?(e)g|tif?(f)|png|p[bgp]m|bmp|x[bp]m|rle|rgb|pcx|fits|pm|GIF|JPG|JP?(E)G|TIF?(F)|PNG|P[BGP]M|BMP|X[BP]M|RLE|RGB|PCX|FITS|PM)' xv qiv
complete -f -X '!*.@(@(?(e)ps|?(E)PS|pdf|PDF)?(.gz|.GZ|.bz2|.BZ2|.Z))' gv ggv kghostview
complete -f -X '!*.@(dvi|DVI)?(.@(gz|Z|bz2))' xdvi
complete -f -X '!*.@(dvi|DVI)?(.@(gz|Z|bz2))' kdvi
complete -f -X '!*.@(dvi|DVI)' dvips dviselect dvitype dvipdf advi dvipdfm dvipdfmx
complete -f -X '!*.@(pdf|PDF)' acroread gpdf xpdf
complete -f -X '!*.@(?(e)ps|?(E)PS|pdf|PDF)' kpdf
complete -f -X '!*.@(@(?(e)ps|?(E)PS|pdf|PDF|dvi|DVI)?(.gz|.GZ|.bz2|.BZ2)|cb[rz]|CB[RZ]|djv?(u)|DJV?(U)|dvi|DVI|gif|jp?(e)g|miff|tif?(f)|pn[gm]|p[bgp]m|bmp|xpm|ico|xwd|tga|pcx|GIF|JP?(E)G|MIFF|TIF?(F)|PN[GM]|P[BGP]M|BMP|XPM|ICO|XWD|TGA|PCX|fdf|FDF)' evince
complete -f -X '!*.@(okular|@(?(e|x)ps|?(E|X)PS|pdf|PDF|dvi|DVI|cb[rz]|CB[RZ]|djv?(u)|DJV?(U)|dvi|DVI|gif|jp?(e)g|miff|tif?(f)|pn[gm]|p[bgp]m|bmp|xpm|ico|xwd|tga|pcx|GIF|JP?(E)G|MIFF|TIF?(F)|PN[GM]|P[BGP]M|BMP|XPM|ICO|XWD|TGA|PCX|epub|EPUB|odt|ODT|fb|FB|mobi|MOBI|g3|G3|chm|CHM|fdf|FDF)?(.?(gz|GZ|bz2|BZ2)))' okular
complete -f -X '!*.@(?(e)ps|?(E)PS|pdf|PDF)' ps2pdf ps2pdf12 ps2pdf13 ps2pdf14 ps2pdfwr
complete -f -X '!*.texi*' makeinfo texi2html
complete -f -X '!*.@(?(la)tex|?(LA)TEX|texi|TEXI|dtx|DTX|ins|INS|ltx|LTX)' tex latex slitex jadetex pdfjadetex pdftex pdflatex texi2dvi
complete -f -X '!*.@(mp3|MP3)' mpg123 mpg321 madplay
complete -f -X '!*@(.@(mp?(e)g|MP?(E)G|wma|avi|AVI|asf|vob|VOB|bin|dat|divx|DIVX|vcd|ps|pes|fli|flv|FLV|fxm|FXM|viv|rm|ram|yuv|mov|MOV|qt|QT|wmv|mp[234]|MP[234]|m4[pv]|M4[PV]|mkv|MKV|og[gmv]|OG[GMV]|t[ps]|T[PS]|wav|WAV|flac|FLAC|asx|ASX|mng|MNG|srt|m[eo]d|M[EO]D|s[3t]m|S[3T]M|it|IT|xm|XM)|+([0-9]).@(vdr|VDR))' xine aaxine fbxine kaffeine dragon
complete -f -X '!*.@(avi|asf|wmv)' aviplay
complete -f -X '!*.@(rm?(j)|ra?(m)|smi?(l))' realplay
complete -f -X '!*.@(mpg|mpeg|avi|mov|qt)' xanim
complete -f -X '!*.@(ogg|OGG|m3u|flac|spx)' ogg123
complete -f -X '!*.@(mp3|MP3|ogg|OGG|pls|m3u)' gqmpeg freeamp
complete -f -X '!*.fig' xfig
complete -f -X '!*.@(mid?(i)|MID?(I)|cmf|CMF)' playmidi
complete -f -X '!*.@(mid?(i)|MID?(I)|rmi|RMI|rcp|RCP|[gr]36|[GR]36|g18|G18|mod|MOD|xm|XM|it|IT|x3m|X3M|s[3t]m|S[3T]M|kar|KAR)' timidity
complete -f -X '!*.@(m[eo]d|M[EO]D|s[3t]m|S[3T]M|xm|XM|it|IT)' modplugplay modplug123
complete -f -X '*.@(o|so|so.!(conf)|a|rpm|gif|GIF|jp?(e)g|JP?(E)G|mp3|MP3|mp?(e)g|MPG|avi|AVI|asf|ASF|ogg|OGG|class|CLASS)' vi vim gvim rvim view rview rgvim rgview gview emacs xemacs sxemacs kate kwrite
complete -f -X '!*.@([eE][xX][eE]?(.[sS][oO])|[cC][oO][mM]|[sS][cC][rR])' wine
complete -f -X '!*.@(zip|ZIP|z|Z|gz|GZ|tgz|TGZ)' bzme
# konqueror not here on purpose, it's more than a web/html browser
complete -f -X '!*.@(?([xX]|[sS])[hH][tT][mM]?([lL]))' netscape mozilla lynx opera galeon dillo elinks amaya firefox mozilla-firefox iceweasel google-chrome chromium-browser epiphany
complete -f -X '!*.@(sxw|stw|sxg|sgl|doc?([mx])|dot?([mx])|rtf|txt|htm|html|odt|ott|odm)' oowriter
complete -f -X '!*.@(sxi|sti|pps?(x)|ppt?([mx])|pot?([mx])|odp|otp)' ooimpress
complete -f -X '!*.@(sxc|stc|xls?([bmx])|xlw|xlt?([mx])|[ct]sv|ods|ots)' oocalc
complete -f -X '!*.@(sxd|std|sda|sdd|odg|otg)' oodraw
complete -f -X '!*.@(sxm|smf|mml|odf)' oomath
complete -f -X '!*.odb' oobase
complete -f -X '!*.rpm' rpm2cpio
complete -f -X '!*.s@(qlite?(3)|?(3)db)' sqlite3
complete -f -X '!*.aux' bibtex
complete -f -X '!*.po' poedit gtranslator kbabel lokalize
complete -f -X '!*.@([Pp][Rr][Gg]|[Cc][Ll][Pp])' harbour gharbour hbpp
complete -f -X '!*.[Hh][Rr][Bb]' hbrun
complete -f -X '!*.ly' lilypond ly2dvi
complete -f -X '!*.@(dif?(f)|?(d)patch)?(.@([gx]z|bz2|lzma))' cdiff
complete -f -X '!*.@(dif?(f)|?(d)patch)' kompare
complete -f -X '!*.lyx' lyx
# FINISH exclude -- do not remove this line[/code]
And at the end:
[code]list=( $( sed -ne '/^# START exclude/,/^# FINISH exclude/p' "$BASH_COMPLETION" | \
# read exclusion compspecs
(
while read line
do
# ignore compspecs that are commented out
if [ "${line#\#}" != "$line" ]; then continue; fi
line=${line%# START exclude*}
line=${line%# FINISH exclude*}
line=${line##*\'}
list=( "${list[@]}" $line )
done
printf '%s ' "${list[@]}"
)
) )
# remove previous compspecs
if [ ${#list[@]} -gt 0 ]; then
eval complete -r ${list[@]}
# install new compspecs
eval complete -F _filedir_xspec -o filenames "${list[@]}"
fi
unset list[/code]
[editline]18th December 2010[/editline]
I have tried commenting all the lines in the part I mentioned first and it seems to have has no effect on speed.
The fact that it's slow might be due to the nature of bash scripts themselves. Considering there's 1641 lines of code, I could assume that bash is just that slow with such large scripts.
[editline]18th December 2010[/editline]
I found and alternative: [url]http://fvue.nl/wiki/Bash_completion_lib[/url]
It basically uses a clever algorithm to load the script much much faster. It also uses caching to speed things up. The problem is that it looks rather unmaintained. Also, according to that wiki article it will be merged with bash_complete.
[editline]19th December 2010[/editline]
I have found another issue with bash-completion.
It seems like figuring the list of known hosts is extremely slow for some odd reason. At first I assumed that it was because of my hosts file (I use it to block ads and it's very large). After some testing I found that the problem wasn't the hosts file at all. When I disabled searching through the hosts file it still took forever to give me well, nothing...
I don't have it pin pointed yet. It's taking for ever to go through something to find hosts.
[editline]19th December 2010[/editline]
Found the problem. It seems to be an issue with the avahi-daemon:
[url]https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=825461[/url]
testing the solution right now.
The patch worked. Yay :D
[editline]19th December 2010[/editline]
They're planning to get bash-completion-lib merged in version 3.0:
[url]http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/BashCompletion/Proposals/Roadmap[/url]
How long is that going to take? I don't know...
I gave up with Gentoo and Arch.
1. Be lazy.
2. Install Fedora.
3. ???
4. Profit!
[QUOTE=Pery;26795970]I gave up with Gentoo and Arch.
1. Be lazy.
2. Install Fedora.
3. ???
4. Profit![/QUOTE]
I did the same except installed crunchbang linux.
The opensource radeon drivers are terrible even at 2D acceleration in games (GNOME runs great), almost freezes the OS, Revenge of the Titans has terrible FPS. What to do? I even tried using the experimental drivers from the repo (Mesa experimental). I'm running on a Radeon X1250 so I can't use the propertiary ones.
what's the name of the package for virtualbox in debian repositories? I'm going to try to shove gentoo on one and see if I like it. (If I can't install it the man's way, I'll just put Sabayon on it instead and take the wimp's way out :P)
[QUOTE=wlzshroom;26802095]what's the name of the package for virtualbox in debian repositories? I'm going to try to shove gentoo on one and see if I like it. (If I can't install it the man's way, I'll just put Sabayon on it instead and take the wimp's way out :P)[/QUOTE]
I think it's virtualbox-ose.
I installed freeBSD in a vm last night, and fucked around in it for ~15 minutes after I installed it, haven't touched it since then. Might fuck around in it later
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