• The Free Man's Photoshop
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[QUOTE=MrDoctor;20340076]Not true at all, you don't pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for spam. Everything Adobe installs is useful, the only program that is bloated is [B]Acrobat, which does actually have useful tools now, so it's worth it :P[/B][/QUOTE] I can open, edit, and create PDF documents within OpenOffice, and FoxitReader is a far superior reader than Acrobat Reader. Much less bloat. So to me, Acrobat (The full program, not just the reader) is quite useless.
I wish PDN supported 32-bit .bmp images. Even Photoshop has a hard time with that. In GIMP it's as simple as Ctrl+S.
[QUOTE=Panda X;20365802]I wish PDN supported 32-bit .bmp images. Even Photoshop has a hard time with that. In GIMP it's as simple as Ctrl+S.[/QUOTE] Not in GIMP 2.7... You must Export files to save them in any other format other than .xcf which is really annoying. :/
[QUOTE=MrDoctor;20340076]Not true at all, you don't pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for spam. Everything Adobe installs is useful, the only program that is bloated is Acrobat, which does actually have useful tools now, so it's worth it :P[/QUOTE] To be, it's spam whether it's useful or not. I don't expect the Photoshop CS4 installer to flood my start menu with a bunch of useless shit I'll never use; only Photoshop CS4.
[QUOTE=Ibutsu;20340164]Explain to me bridge and why it is better than Finder or Explorer. :/ It made no sense to me.[/QUOTE] Because it is supposed to "bridge" the gap between all your other design software. It isn't perfect but it's pretty good. Completely useless for the average user, but it has some features that can make it handy.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;20367132]Because it is supposed to "bridge" the gap between all your other design software. It isn't perfect but it's pretty good. Completely useless for the average user, but it has some features that can make it handy.[/QUOTE] I have never found Bridge or ImageReady useful at all. Bridge seems pointless to me, and ImageReady is just a crippled version of Photoshop.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;20279766]Windows is terribly unintuitive. In the off chance I have to boot into Windows, I spend ten to twenty minutes trying to figure out what is broken, because Windows never seems to tell you exactly what is wrong with your system. With Linux, I have log files all over the place, documentation for literally everything, a massive community that knows their system inside and out, and everything is easy to fix with just a few lines of code. And it is the same story with OS X, BSD, Solaris, etc.[/QUOTE] Funny though because apple claims they are trying to get you away from big business and do what you want with their operating system when they limit so much of what you can do on it. The only good operating systems are Linux and Windows.
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;20365919]Not in GIMP 2.7... You must Export files to save them in any other format other than .xcf which is really annoying. :/[/QUOTE] Yeah I fucking hate that to no end. I don't see why they can't use a unified dialog. It's so goddamn stupid to make 2. Hit one by mistake. Oh you can't save this. You have to export it. Fucking morons.
[QUOTE=Panda X;20397335]Yeah I fucking hate that to no end. I don't see why they can't use a unified dialog. It's so goddamn stupid to make 2. Hit one by mistake. Oh you can't save this. You have to export it. Fucking morons.[/QUOTE] From what I'm understanding it makes perfect sense. When you save, you save in the program's native format, as a project file that can later be edited by the application. When you export, you export to a *different* format, such as the final appearance of a picture.
[QUOTE=gparent;20397770]From what I'm understanding it makes perfect sense. When you save, you save in the program's native format, as a project file that can later be edited by the application. When you export, you export to a *different* format, such as the final appearance of a picture.[/QUOTE] It's unnecessary, and will certainly confuse new users since every other image editing program can save to different formats with the regular save dialog.
[QUOTE=Roast Beast;20397992]It's unnecessary, and will certainly confuse new users since every other image editing program can save to different formats with the regular save dialog.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I do understand that though, but I can see why they'd have it this way.
UI 101: if it's inconvenient it doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE=gparent;20397770]From what I'm understanding it makes perfect sense. When you save, you save in the program's native format, as a project file that can later be edited by the application. When you export, you export to a *different* format, such as the final appearance of a picture.[/QUOTE] It's default extension is .xcf if you don't tell it to otherwise. To have a whole new dialog and hotkey is stupid. It's better to merge them into one. I fucking hate programs that make me export when all it does is save in a different format. Saving is saving end of. And since .xcf isn't that popular why the hell would I ever want to save in it? Using 2.7 I've made the goddamn mistake of hitting Ctrl+S (like I would in every program I use) but no "You can't use this dialog [it's not a technical limitation, we did it on a whim]".
[QUOTE=Panda X;20402304]It's default extension is .xcf if you don't tell it to otherwise. To have a whole new dialog and hotkey is stupid. It's better to merge them into one. I fucking hate programs that make me export when all it does is save in a different format. Saving is saving end of. And since .xcf isn't that popular why the hell would I ever want to save in it? Using 2.7 I've made the goddamn mistake of hitting Ctrl+S (like I would in every program I use) but no "You can't use this dialog [it's not a technical limitation, we did it on a whim]".[/QUOTE] Covered in my last post... Doesn't change my view.
[QUOTE=gparent;20402458]Covered in my last post... Doesn't change my view.[/QUOTE] You and the GIMP devs may think it makes sense, but from a usability standpoint it's a major step backwards. I just hope they realize that before the next version or I probably won't even bother trying it.
[QUOTE=Roast Beast;20402639]You and the GIMP devs may think it makes sense, but from a usability standpoint it's a major step backwards. I just hope they realize that before the next version or I probably won't even bother trying it.[/QUOTE] Yes, I agree with that. How many times do I need to repeat it? I'm saying I understand why, not that I agree.
But Photoshop is already fr- Shit.
Just keep downloading the 30 day free trial
[QUOTE=gparent;20404646]Yes, I agree with that. How many times do I need to repeat it? I'm saying I understand why, not that I agree.[/QUOTE] Well why didn't you say so in the first place? "It makes perfect sense" sounded like you agreed with them.
[QUOTE=Roast Beast;20405640]Well why didn't you say so in the first place? "It makes perfect sense" sounded like you agreed with them.[/QUOTE] yes, this is why I clarified about 10 times.
[QUOTE=BmB;20399069]UI 101: if it's inconvenient it doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE] If it's a Linux app, it has to be hard to install, awkward to use, and update itself 13 times a day. Oh, and it can't have a GUI half the time, because devs are too lazy to make one. :) I :h: Linux. :3:
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;20409979]If it's a Linux app, it has to be hard to install, awkward to use, and update itself 13 times a day. Oh, and it can't have a GUI half the time, because devs are too lazy to make one. :) I :h: Linux. :3:[/QUOTE] ...
[QUOTE=Negrul1;20279675]GIMP is a bit more confusing than Photoshop, and probably not quite as good, but it is definitely [I]not[/I] shitty. It is definitely worth it for anyone who doesn't use stuff like that enough to need to pay a couple of hundred quid for a copy, for example pretty much everyone who isn't a pro-artist or pro-artist in training (or incredibly rich).[/QUOTE] I don't quite agree with the entire confusing part, but 'this' to the rest of your post. People who actually have the money, skill, or initiative to use Photoshop, (Not download it and use it to filter-rape pichurs), may think GIMP is bad, but for simple editing and messing around, it's definitely not shitty. I've seen people on art sites complain and bitch about it, and it's a fine program, especially for being open-source. The list of programmers for Photoshop is pretty damned big, and they're all paid for their work and therefor probably have more initiative to create a product, which GIMPs creators and programmers do it for the sheer hell of it and usefullness it provides to people that aren't artists or aren't comfortable with throwing large amounts of money at a program for image editing. But I digress, I have never actually tried Paint.Net, I haven't even looked into it actually. Might do that now. [B]EDIT: [/B]Also, what's with the OS comparison going on? It's a thread about a paint program, unless I've been mislead. In the latter case, please disregard me as a confused poster.
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;20409979]If it's a Linux app, it has to be hard to install, awkward to use, and update itself 13 times a day. Oh, and it can't have a GUI half the time, because devs are too lazy to make one. :) I :h: Linux. :3:[/QUOTE] I find that most linux [i]programs[/i] or [i]applications[/i] to be easier to use and better designed than most windows software. and you can choose when to update you know. and how is it hard to install? it's either done for you, or you just make it yourself, which isn't that hard.
[QUOTE=limulus54;20412814]I find that most linux [i]programs[/i] or [i]applications[/i] to be easier to use and better designed than most windows software. and you can choose when to update you know. and how is it hard to install? it's either done for you, or you just make it yourself, which isn't that hard.[/QUOTE] What do you mean choose to update? Are you saying Windows Software or programs doesn't update? Now compare Photoshop to your GIMP on linux.
[QUOTE=mrbloog;20412858]What do you mean choose to update? Are you saying Windows Software or programs doesn't update?[/QUOTE] He meant you can choose not to update "13 times a day", look at what he quoted.
[QUOTE=mrbloog;20412858]What do you mean choose to update? Are you saying Windows Software or programs doesn't update? Now compare Photoshop to your GIMP on linux.[/QUOTE] Photoshop vs GIMP has more to do with *Company that makes billions of dollars producing art pipeline software* vs. *A bunch of people doing it on their own time*. Now there's some things done by volunteers that are better than proprietary software made by major companies (Linux Kernel for instance), but I don't think the GIMP effort compares to the one of Photoshop.
[QUOTE=gparent;20413878]Photoshop vs GIMP has more to do with *Company that makes billions of dollars producing art pipeline software* vs. *A bunch of people doing it on their own time*. Now there's some things done by volunteers that are better than proprietary software made by major companies (Linux Kernel for instance), but I don't think the GIMP effort compares to the one of Photoshop.[/QUOTE] Agreed. Paid software engineers to much finer, tighter work than some sloppy group of volunteers, working out of their mother's basement.
Not always true. See: Linux, Firefox, VLC, BSD, etc. [editline]06:28PM[/editline] With propriatary software you have to trust that the engineer knew what the fuck he was doing. With Open source software you have to trust that at least one engineer in a group of several thousand knew what he was doing.
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;20416295]Agreed. Paid software engineers to much finer, tighter work than some sloppy group of volunteers, working out of their mother's basement.[/QUOTE] You're using Linux Mint and you're saying that?
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