The next time I upgrade my video card it leans towards an ATI.
I've used ATI before so I wouldn't hesitate.
Looks like Nvidia sucks now.
[QUOTE=Druchii;17428160]Least you can still do NASCAR racing... Right?[/QUOTE]
No, I fixed it. It happens to anyone if you change the video settings. So you have to delete your entire game profile and redo everything. I asked EA live support.
NFSS is another example of a game made to make ATI cards look bad, I bet :20bux: that Nvidia payed the game studio to do it or at least helped the game studio code the game to run worse on ATI cards.
Call me paranoid but most of the games that have [b]major[/b] performance issues or bugs on ATI cards are usually the ones that have a Nvidia logo in the games starting movie.
Maybe it's just me but I have no problems with Shift and I have a Radeon 4870. I only get performance issues on some maps but if i turn AA a bit down it works. Also steering works without a problem with my wheel. No lags at all.
[QUOTE=Xplodzion;17428985]NFSS is another example of a game made to make ATI cards look bad, I bet :20bux: that Nvidia payed the game studio to do it or at least helped the game studio code the game to run worse on ATI cards.
Call me paranoid but most of the games that have [b]major[/b] performance issues or bugs on ATI cards are usually the ones that have a Nvidia logo in the games starting movie.[/QUOTE]
It's called optimization, because the games with that in the title are 'played best with Nvidia' by design. Nothing wrong with that because Nvidia probably paid a pretty penny to have that, and possibly helped the studio optimize the graphical power of their engine, who knows.
[QUOTE=Xplodzion;17428985]NFSS is another example of a game made to make ATI cards look bad, I bet :20bux: that Nvidia payed the game studio to do it or at least helped the game studio code the game to run worse on ATI cards.
Call me paranoid but most of the games that have [b]major[/b] performance issues or bugs on ATI cards are usually the ones that have a Nvidia logo in the games starting movie.[/QUOTE]
You are paranoid. If Nvidia bribed as many companies as you are implying, those that didn't take the bribe would have exposed them almost immediately. It is most likely the programmer's fault for not working out all the bugs for an ATI user.
[QUOTE=Xplodzion;17428985]NFSS is another example of a game made to make ATI cards look bad, I bet :20bux: that Nvidia payed the game studio to do it or at least helped the game studio code the game to run worse on ATI cards.
Call me paranoid but most of the games that have [b]major[/b] performance issues or bugs on ATI cards are usually the ones that have a Nvidia logo in the games starting movie.[/QUOTE]
nvidia's "meant to be played" is not just some "here's 10k bux, make the game run faster on nvidia cards and slower on ati"-move. the developers wouldn't profit from that. it's nvidia employees working in cooperation with the developer to optimize it before it gets released, which is perfectly legit.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;17361556]The games that did have 10.1, took it out. I heard rumors that Nvidia paid some of the studioss to patch them to DX10, removing ATi's benefit.[/QUOTE]
That's bullshit, Studios patched it out, because it broke the games for Nvidia cards. All the games which had 10.1, had it added after the games were released in a patch. This then broke the game for Nvidia cards, which you can't have as a studio or publisher. You can't sell a game, and then say, well, only half the people who bought the game are allowd to play it because ATI chose to support a technology which pretty much no games support. I can't think of enough DX 10.1 games to fit on one hand. Stalker Clear Sky... and, errrrr, errrr, errr, yeh....
[QUOTE=Nugiman;17429684]nvidia's "meant to be played" is not just some "here's 10k bux, make the game run faster on nvidia cards and slower on ati"-move. the developers wouldn't profit from that. it's nvidia employees working in cooperation with the developer to optimize it before it gets released, which is perfectly legit.[/QUOTE]
ATI do the same thing anyway.
[QUOTE=Xplodzion;17428985]NFSS is another example of a game made to make ATI cards look bad, I bet :20bux: that Nvidia payed the game studio to do it or at least helped the game studio code the game to run worse on ATI cards.
Call me paranoid but most of the games that have [b]major[/b] performance issues or bugs on ATI cards are usually the ones that have a Nvidia logo in the games starting movie.[/QUOTE]
Either that, or people with the performance issues just suck balls when it comes to building Computers.
[QUOTE=Xplodzion;17428985]NFSS is another example of a game made to make ATI cards look bad, I bet :20bux: that Nvidia payed the game studio to do it or at least helped the game studio code the game to run worse on ATI cards.
Call me paranoid but most of the games that have [b]major[/b] performance issues or bugs on ATI cards are usually the ones that have a Nvidia logo in the games starting movie.[/QUOTE]
PhysX for PC only, it's on all the major and some minor consoles so you know it's not needed, ATI doesn't use PhysX acceleration, therefor I would have to agree.
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[QUOTE=HappyWombleM;17430024]Either that, or people with the performance issues just suck balls when it comes to building Computers.[/QUOTE]
When a 9800GTX+ is getting 20/30 FPS more than a 4870x2, you know there's something wrong.
[QUOTE=Panda x64;17430062]PhysX for PC only, it's on all the major and some minor consoles so you know it's not needed, ATI doesn't use PhysX acceleration, therefor I would have to agree.[/QUOTE]
It should run fine on Consoles regardless. With a console, you only have 1 machine to test(for each platform, obviosuly). With Pc, you've got thousands upon thousands of different combinations of parts, and software.
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[QUOTE=Panda x64;17430062]PhysX for PC only, it's on all the major and some minor consoles so you know it's not needed, ATI doesn't use PhysX acceleration, therefor I would have to agree.
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When a 9800GTX+ is getting 20/30 FPS more than a 4870x2, you know there's something wrong.[/QUOTE]
Gaming performance comes down to more than just you're graphics card.
[QUOTE=HappyWombleM;17430092]It should run fine on Consoles regardless. With a console, you only have 1 machine to test(for each platform, obviosuly). With Pc, you've got thousands upon thousands of different combinations of parts, and software.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that PhysX isn't needed because it runs on consoles w/o it. Yet it's thrown in the PC version for what looks like no reason, with no way to disable it.
[QUOTE=HappyWombleM;17430092]Gaming performance comes down to more than just you're graphics card.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm well aware. It was a benchmark, not a collection of people's computers/results.
[QUOTE=HappyWombleM;17430092]Gaming performance comes down to more than just you're graphics card.[/QUOTE]
Box
[QUOTE=Panda x64;17430128]I'm saying that PhysX isn't needed because it runs on consoles w/o it. Yet it's thrown in the PC version for what looks like no reason, with no way to disable it.
Yeah, I'm well aware. It was a benchmark, not a collection of people's computers/results.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough , I must've mis-understood what you were saying.
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;17430139]Box[/QUOTE]
Why box? He's right. Your performance in a game IS more than just your graphics card.
Take my situation for example:
My desktop has an old P4 3 GHz CPU, 2 GB of RAM, and a Radeon 3650. I shit you not, GTA IV ran at 1 FPS.
My laptop has a Core 2 Duo 2.5 GHz, 4 GB of RAM, and a Radeon Mobility 3650. Essentially the same video card, but a much better processor. Even if I edit my BCD to limit my RAM to 2 GB (which I actually did as a test), I get about 25-30 FPS in GTA IV.
[QUOTE=Forumaster;17431479]Why box? He's right.[/QUOTE]
Box because it was irrelevant to the argument.
[QUOTE=Panda x64;17430062]
When a 9800GTX+ is getting 20/30 FPS more than a 4870x2, you know there's something wrong.[/QUOTE]
Completely a driver issue. People are getting blue screens and what people should know is that a game alone cannot blue screen a computer. It doesn't have that ability.
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[QUOTE=Xplodzion;17428985]NFSS is another example of a game made to make ATI cards look bad, I bet :20bux: that Nvidia payed the game studio to do it or at least helped the game studio code the game to run worse on ATI cards.
Call me paranoid but most of the games that have [b]major[/b] performance issues or bugs on ATI cards are usually the ones that have a Nvidia logo in the games starting movie.[/QUOTE]
That would be an absolutely stupid move for PR.
[QUOTE=thisispain;17437170]Completely a driver issue. People are getting blue screens and what people should know is that a game alone cannot blue screen a computer. It doesn't have that ability.
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That would be an absolutely stupid move for PR.[/QUOTE]
It could be that. But without GPU PhysX acceleration it's left to the CPU which could also aid in it.
[QUOTE=Panda x64;17437283]It could be that. But without GPU PhysX acceleration it's left to the CPU which could also aid in it.[/QUOTE]
NFS:S doesn't have an option to reduce PhysX settings? Usually games with PhysX do.
[QUOTE=Panda x64;17430062]PhysX for PC only, it's on all the major and some minor consoles so you know it's not needed, ATI doesn't use PhysX acceleration, therefor I would have to agree.
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ATI can use PhysX acceleration...
[url]http://www.ngohq.com/news/14219-physx-gpu-acceleration-on-radeon-hd-3850-a.html[/url]
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;17430014]ATI do the same thing anyway.[/QUOTE]
I've never saw a game that says "ATi, we know best".
[QUOTE=Panda X;17424010]This guy has an HD4890 and it seems to run smooth for the most part, but look at the delayed steering:
[hd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1aSenXRUFI&hd=1[/hd][/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but the bouncing HUD would drive me nuts... It's very distracting.
[QUOTE=Second-gear-of-mgear;17438539]
I've never saw a game that says "ATi, we know best".[/QUOTE]
Ever seen the old Half-Life 2 intro's and boxes?
DX10 is barely used already, I don't see why nVidia would leap for DX11 too
[QUOTE=thisispain;17438741]Ever seen the old Half-Life 2 intro's and boxes?[/QUOTE]
My HL2 box doesn't have the ATi logo anywhere on it, and the only intro I remember are the Valve ones, either the dude with the valve in his eye, or on his head.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;17438814]DX10 is barely used already, I don't see why nVidia would leap for DX11 too[/QUOTE]
I get a feeling that if I got £1 for every time I see this, I'd have enough to get a 5870.
[QUOTE=Second-gear-of-mgear;17439501]My HL2 box doesn't have the ATi logo anywhere on it, and the only intro I remember are the Valve ones, either the dude with the valve in his eye, or on his head.[/QUOTE]
It uses to say something about ATi in the options menu of HL2 and EP1 and stuff. Gone now.
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I would rather see more inavation in the way we see games ass opposed to how detailed the game is. If you havent tried it out yeat I highly recomend you check out Nvidias 3D technologey its bloody brilliant. Also who gives a damn about even more shaders they still hardley nailed the performance for DX 10 yet like they have with 9. Besides if you relly look up that GPGPU setup it has implications which can greatly change how games our built. What great technolodgy is ati working on, fucking multi moniters? how many people have 6 monitors they want to use for a game. Yeah that definetly has a large market /sarcasim
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