Super Shitty Computer, need to upgrade PSU, Video Card and Processor (but p much everything) - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=striker453;39352005]But Cod runs on a 7 year old consoles and playing good at a game is no measure of a good computer a good computer is by the numbers. That computer would just chug on planetside 2 or witcher 2. For the matter we did ask and he also asked me personally and 1000 was a good price and do you not get the idea of investing in something good now so i don't have to waste money down the line? A duo core and a HD 4890 is not even in the horizon compared to an i5 3580k and a HD 7950. And yes there is high performance ram but as i stated before you gain nothing from it it's been tested you gain approx 1 fps difference the only difference "performance ram" has on is for video editing and a build without a Discrete GPU. One more thing he did say so read and we asked him to possibly hitch it up maybe to 1000 and later if you read the thread we cut it down to around 800 dollars.[/QUOTE] LMAO, I play Planet Side 2 from time to time, As well as The Witcher 2(in HIGH SETTINGS). You know, this is beginning to look like someone can't or doesn't know how to properly run/maintain a computer. I know I'm not the only person gaming this good on a rig like mine. As for investing in something, I'm sure he'll make his decision soon enough. I'm trying to enlighten him into knowing he does not have to spend that much money for what he wants to do. Me posting my specs is proof that 300-500USD today, would be more than enough to pave his future of gaming. All I need from him are his system specs because we might be able to upgrade to something a littler older cheaper. He doesn't need that "Standard" crap you speak of -again look at my specs:eng101:. You also say " We cut it down" referring to the price, that's what I'm talking about, you don't cut anything down for someone else when it's their money. You guys had this dude thinking that your price was standard for a - good gaming machine-- Get real. He needs someone to work with him, possibly with his current build, see what he really wants - and move from there. He set's his own prices, we accommodate. Not the other way around. In all, I'm ready to speak to this guy before they lock this post from seeing us back and forth. Then my OP will be in vein, and I really want to help this guy to not spend that much money when he doesn't have to.

[QUOTE=DementedKilla;39352250]LMAO, I play Planet Side 2 from time to time, As well as The Witcher 2(in HIGH SETTINGS). You know, this is beginning to look like someone can't or doesn't know how to properly run/maintain a computer. I know I'm not the only person gaming this good on a rig like mine. As for investing in something, I'm sure he'll make his decision soon enough. I'm trying to enlighten him into knowing he does not have to spend that much money for what he wants to do. Me posting my specs is proof that 300-500USD today, would be more than enough to pave his future of gaming. All I need from him are his system specs because we might be able to upgrade to something a littler older cheaper. He doesn't need that "Standard" crap you speak of -again look at my specs:eng101:. You also say " We cut it down" referring to the price, that's what I'm talking about, you don't cut anything down for someone else when it's their money. You guys had this dude thinking that your price was standard for a - good gaming machine-- Get real. He needs someone to work with him, possibly with his current build, see what he really wants - and move from there. He set's his own prices, we accommodate. Not the other way around. In all, I'm ready to speak to this guy before they lock this post from seeing us back and forth. Then my OP will be in vein, and I really want to help this guy to not spend that much money when he doesn't have to.[/QUOTE] At what, 1280x1024?

[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;39354282]At what, 1280x1024?[/QUOTE] Nah playa, I run all my games 1920x1080. I'm playing on a 42 inch.

[QUOTE=DementedKilla;39352250]LMAO, I play Planet Side 2 from time to time, As well as The Witcher 2(in HIGH SETTINGS). You know, this is beginning to look like someone can't or doesn't know how to properly run/maintain a computer. I know I'm not the only person gaming this good on a rig like mine. As for investing in something, I'm sure he'll make his decision soon enough. I'm trying to enlighten him into knowing he does not have to spend that much money for what he wants to do. Me posting my specs is proof that 300-500USD today, would be more than enough to pave his future of gaming. All I need from him are his system specs because we might be able to upgrade to something a littler older cheaper. He doesn't need that "Standard" crap you speak of -again look at my specs:eng101:. You also say " We cut it down" referring to the price, that's what I'm talking about, you don't cut anything down for someone else when it's their money. You guys had this dude thinking that your price was standard for a - good gaming machine-- Get real. He needs someone to work with him, possibly with his current build, see what he really wants - and move from there. He set's his own prices, we accommodate. Not the other way around. In all, I'm ready to speak to this guy before they lock this post from seeing us back and forth. Then my OP will be in vein, and I really want to help this guy to not spend that much money when he doesn't have to.[/QUOTE] Do you even read the post I made its about investing in good parts now to last him for a long time and he personally cut down the items please read the thread yourself before posting comments. Also its been known that planetside 2 has been notoriously hard to run on old AMD cards so really think you're not telling the truth on running planetside 2 on 1920x1080 on high

[QUOTE=striker453;39358277]Do you even read the post I made its about investing in good parts now to last him for a long time and he personally cut down the items please read the thread yourself before posting comments. Also its been known that planetside 2 has been notoriously hard to run on old AMD cards so really think you're not telling the truth on running planetside 2 on 1920x1080 on high[/QUOTE] You must be out your mind as I'm speaking as one who has a Radeon 4890 - and runs the game in 1920x1080. Do you have this card or personally know someone who does? tisk tisk... I will post a Youtube video showing me running the game in that resolution and high settings(So you and people like you can rethink how a computer actually works). BTW, I just got finished playing that game and it is not something that I like, as I'm a Call of Duty fan, and that game seems like Battlefield(even though I have the game). You know CoD fans and BF fans are somewhat rivals=P As far as investing, he does not have to invest 1K USD for something he can spend half that and it will last ten years! All he needs is someone like me in his ear, then we could make it work.

[QUOTE=DementedKilla;39361154]You must be out your mind as I'm speaking as one who has a Radeon 4890 - and runs the game in 1920x1080. Do you have this card or personally know someone who does? tisk tisk... I will post a Youtube video showing me running the game in that resolution and high settings(So you and people like you can rethink how a computer actually works). BTW, I just got finished playing that game and it is not something that I like, as I'm a Call of Duty fan, and that game seems like Battlefield(even though I have the game). You know CoD fans and BF fans are somewhat rivals=P As far as investing, he does not have to invest 1K USD for something he can spend half that and it will last ten years! All he needs is someone like me in his ear, then we could make it work.[/QUOTE] Okai lets see you want him to: 1. stay on the 775 platform cause you know its not old enough yet when 1150 (haswell) platform is right on the doorstep 2. get some high performance DDR2 memory when DDR3 has been released 3. Get a high performance super old gen graphic card when GTX700 and HD 8000 series are right around the corner and this is going to last him 10 years how?

GTX700 series, but yes I agree with you.

[QUOTE=Del91;39361945]GTX700 series, but yes I agree with you.[/QUOTE] whoops my mind mixed the 8000 and the GTX 700 so i typed GTX800

I'm not recommending my system to him. That was for comparison purposes only. Les take a look at his current system: NVIDIA 9500 GT AMD Anthlon II X2 4 GB RAM Windows Vista Home Premium - 32 Bit Is he keeping with the times? Is he sticking to a standard? Hell nah pimpin.. With that said, I just answered all three of those questions with my first two sentences - as I've already had in the past. You're like close-minded in that, I'm telling him to get what I have >.< I would love for him to get something more modern but, that does not have to be the latest nor cost 1k! Besides, if I can actually talk to him and find out that he does not require your standard, maybe we can stay on the 775 or even move up a notch or two(either way, it will be his decision).After all, he does not play the same games as us, nor does he value the graphics in them. He plays old games, that a system of my specs will blast through. So while you make good in trying to standardize him, don't knock me for telling him when it comes to making a choice, you and another - are black and white. He has many options between my system and the standard you claim "we"(meaning you and people like you)have.

[QUOTE=DementedKilla;39362288]I'm not recommending my system to him. That was for comparison purposes only. Les take a look at his current system: NVIDIA 9500 GT AMD Anthlon II X2 4 GB RAM Windows Vista Home Premium - 32 Bit Is he keeping with the times? Is he sticking to a standard? Hell nah pimpin.. With that said, I just answered all three of those questions with my first two sentences - as I've already had in the past. You're like close-minded in that, I'm telling him to get what I have >.< I would love for him to get something more modern but, that does not have to be the latest nor cost 1k! Besides, if I can actually talk to him and find out that he does not require your standard, maybe we can stay on the 775 or even move up a notch or two(either way, it will be his decision).After all, he does not play the same games as us, nor does he value the graphics in them. He plays old games, that a system of my specs will blast through. So while you make good in trying to standardize him, don't knock me for telling him when it comes to making a choice, you and another - are black and white. He has many options between my system and the standard you claim "we"(meaning you and people like you)have.[/QUOTE] You seem to be back peddling with each post you make and he set an approx price point he wanted we gave him the parts for that price point. You're calling me thick when you can even seem to read the thread and see that. I don't think that he would just be playing old games if he was why would he want a new build? Its not even a standardised build its just buy the numbers that these parts at the moment are the best choice for his price point so really do not understand your point. Why would a person stay on 775 and not move to 1155 they don't even really make stuff for 1156 anymore. Once intel moves their platform the previous gen dies practically and support is bare. This is the same with any graphic card they do not update for old cards why? Because they want people to upgrade. IT saves him money down the long term if he gets a good build now rather an half assed one. For computing and for something that is number based it really is black or white hardly any grey area this isn't art and that these parts fit his wants and that these parts are the most appropriate for his price point which he set out. I want to futureproof the best i can for him so he can play games in the future especially since the new console has a rumour of housing a 7970 and then what is he going to do with your old build? As soon as this console gen ends its going to be a whole new computer gaming generation which is going require a good solid build.

[video=youtube;K5zCa7nFgdU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5zCa7nFgdU[/video] [IMG]http://www.flickr.com/photos/56399381@N06/8416702674/[/IMG] Here's a link to my current build just in case the image doesn't show. [URL="http://www.flickr.com/photos/56399381@N06/8416702674/"]http://www.flickr.com/photos/56399381@N06/8416702674/[/URL] I barely play this game as it is not my type. Motherboard: nForce 680i Alienware GPU: Radeon 4890 1 gigabyte RAM Processor: Core2Duo E6750 up from 2.6 @ 3.2 RAM: Corsair CM2X 2048x2(High Performance) So while people may contend that you need this latest crap... it's all lies. Planetside2 is a very modern game, and as you can see above - my legacy system(compared to yours - both old)doesn't even struggle to run it. I've taken great care and have come along way with any system I've had in the past, so getting the most juice out of what you can really afford is right up my ally. Don't listen to these airheads appointing you to their fantasies or other creative delusions, take it from someone who has a system, barely newer than yours. So, while [B]hopefully[/B] you'll be able to find a better system than mine, you can do so, at half the price. If you feel the need to spend that much on a computer, by all means - have at it. If you feel like what I claim has some weight, holla at me. Good luck in your time searching for a computer -when it's all over, that's when the headache begins. ~Fats:wink:

I've seen a lot of discussion and not much help in here. Anyway - Mr.4890, what are you actually proposing? Because I agree that he could get away spending less than $1000, but to me it seems like you're suggesting old cards and CPUs. The 4890 is between the 6770 and 6850 when it comes to performance, really, but the heat, noise and power requirements are huge. You said something about checking compatibility with CPUs, but even in the case that his board supports CPUs with higher TDPs (the Phenom series and so on), it'll still be a bad choice. I'd suggest waiting for Haswell in this case. Whether the PCI-E lane is 8x or 16x doesn't matter much, either, but you can assume that the main one is 16x. RAM won't make a big difference in games, as it isn't the bottleneck. If the GPU has to fetch textures or whatever from RAM while under load, it'll still stutter like a bitch, whether it's 2100MHz or 1333MHz. Few games use more than 1GB of VRAM anyway, so it's a moot point.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39364954]I've seen a lot of discussion and not much help in here. Anyway - Mr.4890, what are you actually proposing? Because I agree that he could get away spending less than $1000, but to me it seems like you're suggesting old cards and CPUs. The 4890 is between the 6770 and 6850 when it comes to performance, really, but the heat, noise and power requirements are huge. You said something about checking compatibility with CPUs, but even in the case that his board supports CPUs with higher TDPs (the Phenom series and so on), it'll still be a bad choice. I'd suggest waiting for Haswell in this case. Whether the PCI-E lane is 8x or 16x doesn't matter much, either, but you can assume that the main one is 16x. RAM won't make a big difference in games, as it isn't the bottleneck. If the GPU has to fetch textures or whatever from RAM while under load, it'll still stutter like a bitch, whether it's 2100MHz or 1333MHz. Few games use more than 1GB of VRAM anyway, so it's a moot point.[/QUOTE] Hey GoDong-DK, You can call me Killa! What I'm doing is proposing options in a "more bang for your buck" sort of way, and not the other way around. This thread has become something rather scary, and damn.. we learn from it all. As I may indeed be offering him older cards or CPU's(not as old as mine clearly)the option is solely up to him. As far as I'm concerned making a choice rather bad or good, as to what to choose - requires many factors that we are not aware of in his life(that I so happen to take into account). As for RAM, in my opinion - is one of the most important aspects of gaming(timing 1^). It's simple really in that whole bottleneck phase... We use faster RAM with better timings, something that you can buy as is. We are all making suggestions here, so when the OP returns - He'll be able to see both sides of the coin and make a more informed decision. That's what I originally posted for in my OP. May he see to it!

[QUOTE=DementedKilla;39365074]Hey GoDong-DK, You can call me Killa! What I'm doing is proposing options in a "more bang for your buck" sort of way, and not the other way around. This thread has become something rather scary, and damn.. we learn from it all. As I may indeed be offering him older cards or CPU's(not as old as mine clearly)the option is solely up to him. As far as I'm concerned making a choice rather bad or good, as to what to choose - requires many factors that we are not aware of in his life(that I so happen to take into account). As for RAM, in my opinion - is one of the most important aspects of gaming(timing 1^). It's simple really in that whole bottleneck phase... We use faster RAM with better timings, something that you can buy as is. We are all making suggestions here, so when the OP returns - He'll be able to see both sides of the coin and make a more informed decision. That's what I originally posted for in my OP. May he see to it![/QUOTE] I don't have a problem with discussion and I'm not a mod anyway, but there's absolutely no substance here. I'll recommend the build he proposed here: [QUOTE=Eeshton;39321672]Would this be a good build: Motherboard: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293[/url] CPU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504[/url] Ram: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233335[/url] SSD: None HDD: Re-use my old one GPU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202006[/url] PSU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182133[/url] Heatsink: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099[/url] Total Price: $835 with no rebates and not including shipping Not bad. I just got laid off so it might be a while before I get that, but it's a good price, I think. [/QUOTE] But he should get this motherboard instead: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157297[/url] Open box (same model, slightly cheaper): [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157297R[/url] And then get the HDD someone else recommended earlier on: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840[/url] And then get a case on top of that. That way, he'll get the most performance out of the budget, along with a good case. I'm not a big case guy, but I remember the HAF series as being very decent, and at $50 it looks like a solid offer: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233[/url]

[QUOTE=DementedKilla;39365074]Hey GoDong-DK, You can call me Killa! What I'm doing is proposing options in a "more bang for your buck" sort of way, and not the other way around. This thread has become something rather scary, and damn.. we learn from it all. As I may indeed be offering him older cards or CPU's(not as old as mine clearly)the option is solely up to him. As far as I'm concerned making a choice rather bad or good, as to what to choose - requires many factors that we are not aware of in his life(that I so happen to take into account). As for RAM, in my opinion - is one of the most important aspects of gaming(timing 1^). It's simple really in that whole bottleneck phase... We use faster RAM with better timings, something that you can buy as is. We are all making suggestions here, so when the OP returns - He'll be able to see both sides of the coin and make a more informed decision. That's what I originally posted for in my OP. May he see to it![/QUOTE] I don't mean to offend but I really don't get your point he gave us a price point and wanted a futureproof system so we gave one back i really don't see what is really wrong with what we gave him. As for your ram it makes no sense please research it and higher clocked ram in a full system does all but poop there is no difference for a gaming rig.

You dont need a 100$ case and if you want to spend so much on a case get a good one like a Define R4 and not those crap "gaming" cases. Also if possible for the same price get an nVidia graphics card [editline]27th January 2013[/editline] here's the best PC you can get for less than 1000$ It has a GTX 670 you wont beat that in games. [IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/w17kw1.png[/IMG] I just did this really fast maybe someone can look for a better mobo-ram-psu and case if you fancy.

[QUOTE=maxolina;39379535]You dont need a 100$ case and if you want to spend so much on a case get a good one like a Define R4 and not those crap "gaming" cases. Also if possible for the same price get an nVidia graphics card [editline]27th January 2013[/editline] here's the best PC you can get for less than 1000$ It has a GTX 670 you wont beat that in games. [IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/w17kw1.png[/IMG] I just did this really fast maybe someone can look for a better mobo-ram-psu and case if you fancy.[/QUOTE] Says not to get a "gaming case", recommends the HAF 912. Anyways, 2133MHz RAM is absolutely pointless and expensive. The TX series has a trash value, there are way better PSU's out there for the same price. There's no point in always buying an Nvidia card over an AMD one, keep your fanboyism somewhere else. Even then the 670 isn't the same price as a 7950 so you're contradicting yourself, and those stock coolers are terrible.

alright, i mean no offense here but you guys really need to work on your people skills, you have legit scared me and i don't know what to buy anymore

Your build halfway through the first page was good, just add a Corsair 200R for the case, it's only like $50. If you want a new OS so you can take advantage of more than 4gb of RAM then you can get Windows 8 upgrade for $70 with a $40 rebate on it.

With that budget you can get a GTX 670 system no point in not getting it. Save in some other areas but what makes most of the performance is the gpu and the gtx670 blows every other single gpu card away but the 680

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39366304]I'll recommend the build he proposed here: But he should get this motherboard instead: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157297[/url] Open box (same model, slightly cheaper): [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157297R[/url] And then get the HDD someone else recommended earlier on: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840[/url] And then get a case on top of that. That way, he'll get the most performance out of the budget, along with a good case. I'm not a big case guy, but I remember the HAF series as being very decent, and at $50 it looks like a solid offer: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233[/url][/QUOTE] I would go with an MSI or Gigabyte motherboard. I've never not had some ridiculous or bizarre issue with an ASUS or ASRock motherboard. I'd also not recommend going with an open box motherboard. It could be missing several important things (like the I/O cover). [QUOTE=DementedKilla;39364699] I barely play this game as it is not my type. Motherboard: nForce 680i Alienware GPU: Radeon 4890 1 gigabyte RAM Processor: Core2Duo E6750 up from 2.6 @ 3.2 RAM: Corsair CM2X 2048x2(High Performance) ..wall of text..[/QUOTE] Holy crap, stop posting. We don't care about your shitty Alienware system. It was garbage even when it was new. [QUOTE=DementedKilla;39365074]What I'm doing is proposing options in a "more bang for your buck" sort of way, and not the other way around.[/QUOTE] How are you proposing "more bang for your buck"? Buying outdated parts that haven't been manufactured in years is not bang for your buck, it's stupid. None of the parts have warranties anymore, not to mention they're often much more expensive than they were new due to turning into commodities since they're no longer produced, or are manufactured in extreme limited quantities. [QUOTE=DementedKilla;39365074]This thread has become something rather scary, and damn.. we learn from it all. As I may indeed be offering him older cards or CPU's(not as old as mine clearly)the option is solely up to him.[/QUOTE] Uh, OK. You've been blasting these walls of text about how you want the poor OP to buy outdated shit, then saying "all he needs is me in his ear", and you say he has a choice in the matter? It looks like you just want to con the poor guy into a shitty deal. [QUOTE=DementedKilla;39365074]As far as I'm concerned making a choice rather bad or good, as to what to choose - requires [B]many factors that we are not aware of in his life(that I so happen to take into account)[/B].[/QUOTE] I think your name fits here, you're clearly not in your right mind. [QUOTE=DementedKilla;39365074]As for RAM, in my opinion - is one of the most important aspects of gaming(timing 1^). It's simple really in that whole bottleneck phase... We use faster RAM with better timings, something that you can buy as is.[/QUOTE] If your opinion is that "Gamer RAM" is orders of magnitude more superior to let's say "Value RAM", then you really would be a gullible consumer. It probably explains why you went with Alienware. Riced aesthetics with no substance. There is hardly any difference between the two most commonly used DDR3 speeds (1333 and 1600). And the same goes with tighter timings on memory. It will give you a slight bandwidth advantage, but games could care less about that. Modern games are primarily CPU and GPU bound, not system memory bandwidth bound. The only case where faster system RAM would help is if you had an integrated GPU that shared system RAM, or had a GPU with limited local video card memory and went out to main memory to store and load textures. But in both of these cases, you probably won't care because the machine probably wasn't built with gaming in mind.

[QUOTE=maxolina;39386941]With that budget you can get a GTX 670 system no point in not getting it. Save in some other areas but what makes most of the performance is the gpu and the gtx670 blows every other single gpu card away but the 680[/QUOTE] a 7970 runs the same (mostly) and is cheaper than a GTX 670

[QUOTE=striker453;39387526]a 7970 runs the same (mostly) and is cheaper than a GTX 670[/QUOTE] The 7970 is faster, but requires much more power. And it's hotter and more audible. [editline]28th January 2013[/editline] Tomshardware actually did an article on RAM bottlenecks today: [url]http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/memory-bandwidth-latency-gaming,review-32618.html[/url] So if you're using dual 7970 and play nothing but 3DMark, F1 2012 and Skyrim, definitely pick up the more expensive RAM. It's the difference between 116 and 120FPS - life and death.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39388011]The 7970 is faster, but requires much more power. And it's hotter and more audible. [editline]28th January 2013[/editline] Tomshardware actually did an article on RAM bottlenecks today: [url]http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/memory-bandwidth-latency-gaming,review-32618.html[/url] So if you're using dual 7970 and play nothing but 3DMark, F1 2012 and Skyrim, definitely pick up the more expensive RAM. It's the difference between 116 and 120FPS - life and death.[/QUOTE] I think its louder if you buy the reference due to its coil whine and blower fan but a non reference one should possibly remove both issue both power yes keplar is immensely efficient and cool. For an extra 40 dollar for an extra 4-5 frames and with most games not even 1 whole frame difference its not really worth it.

[QUOTE=striker453;39388069]I think its louder if you buy the reference due to its coil whine and blower fan but a non reference one should possibly remove both issue both power yes keplar is immensely efficient and cool. For an extra 40 dollar for an extra 4-5 frames and with most games not even 1 whole frame difference its not really worth it.[/QUOTE] I thought my sarcasm would burn through the paper in the RAM part. The GTX 670 is slightly cheaper, and the reference cooler is good enough. I'd say you could really pick either.

Here pick the one you like the most: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709&IsNodeId=1&Description=gtx%20670&name=Desktop%20Graphics%20Cards&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=20&SecondSearch=1[/url] Also if you can get the same performance for the same price I'd go with nVidia. I've been alternating between AMD and nVidia and at the moment nVidia's drivers and support is better.

Okay..soo..the laying off was harder than I expected and I may not have a job or a source of large income for a while now so, would anyone mind either giving me some parts to either upgrade my computer, or build a cheaper one? Upgrading would be preferred since I assume it would be cheaper.

[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/59389727/Computer%20Builds/191.PNG[/img] [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/59389727/Computer%20Builds/123.PNG[/img] $532.94 w/ free shipping on all items and promo code EMCXWVS23 (which ends tomorrow, so I doubt you'll get to use it unless you order soon). $45 in MIR brings it to ~$490. Pick Windows 8 64-bit up for $70 and use its $40 MIR if you want to be able to make use of more than 4gb of RAM, for $30 after rebate I don't see why not. [editline]29th January 2013[/editline] Also this is assuming you have an optical drive to reuse from your current PC, if not then they're only $18.

I'm not sure how much I can actually re-use from my current PC, I should probably take some pics and whatnot, and also, windows 8, I've heard bad things about that...is windows 7 an option to still take advantage of 4+ GB of ram? And, is this upgradeable for when I get a better job (I'm kinda going for an investment type deal, where I can buy better parts but get a decent computer as is), and could you possibly provide links <3

[QUOTE=Eeshton;39409530]I'm not sure how much I can actually re-use from my current PC, I should probably take some pics and whatnot, and also, windows 8, I've heard bad things about that...is windows 7 an option to still take advantage of 4+ GB of ram?[/QUOTE] Yes, it's still an option. But it's also $100 with no rebate, maybe $80 if you catch a sale. Windows 8 isn't bad. You boot it up, when the metro UI pops up you're like "what the fuck is this" and then after a day of having it you're too used to it to care anymore. It just has to grow on you, most people don't like change at first. If you need help with anything just ask. [editline]29th January 2013[/editline] All that you need in order to use >4gb is a 64-bit operating system. If you have the 64-bit version of Vista then that will also work, but in your OP you said you were using the 32-bit version.