• Windows 8
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[QUOTE=Elements;36950808]Do people really consider MS services that bad? I think SkyDrive is brilliant, Bing is perfectly fine (if I wasn't automatically wired to google), Hotmail is great, and the Windows Live suite is pretty damn good and gets the job done. Do other people think that they are good? Or am I just too stupid to see that there are better replacements?[/QUOTE] SkyDrive and Windows Live are nice. Hotmail and Bing are shit.
[QUOTE=Elements;36953045]What do you mean? I'm just saying that I've already got my mind set to google stuff. When I need to look up something, its more or less an automatic action. I'm so confused by your statement. Can you elaborate?[/QUOTE] he thought you were referring to the allegations that Bing just scrapes results from google and displays them i wonder what the logistics of actually doing that would be lmao [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;36953740]SkyDrive and Windows Live are nice. Hotmail and Bing are shit.[/QUOTE] Hotmail is fine.
I've got bing on my windows phone because it's the default search, it gets the job done but I would prefer google
[QUOTE=Panda X;36953410]You're confused because I can't read apparently. My mistake :( [editline]26th July 2012[/editline] 1. There is a start button (transparent, but still clicking in the corner works) and they're not attempting to prevent alternatives from being used. That was a bunch of bullshit in the media. 2. You can customize it, to what degree hasn't been shown, and then there's always custom themes.[/QUOTE] I meant they will not include the classic Start (which I'm used to and I think it looks better too) and will use Hot Corners instead and only use the Metro interface to access all programs. I personally am not a big fan of Metro and if MS continue saying it will ditch Aero, I may possibly not buy it as I say that the new interface looks terrible and a 5 year old designed it in MS Paint. *EDIT* I have proof of dropping Aero. Here is an article from the official MS blog: [URL="http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx"]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx[/URL]
I hope they don't ditch aero. Though I doubt that will prevent me from using Win8 if they do.
[QUOTE=Lazor;36954095]he thought you were referring to the allegations that Bing just scrapes results from google and displays them[/QUOTE] If it did that, it would actually find the things I'm looking for!
[QUOTE=The 2nd Guy;36954356]I meant they will not include the classic Start (which I'm used to and I think it looks better too) and will use Hot Corners instead and only use the Metro interface to access all programs. I personally am not a big fan of Metro and if MS continue saying it will ditch Aero, I may possibly not buy it as I say that the new interface looks terrible and a 5 year old designed it in MS Paint. *EDIT* I have proof of dropping Aero. Here is an article from the official MS blog: [URL="http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx"]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx[/URL][/QUOTE] You don't have to use the hot corners to access anything though if you don't want to. I wasn't saying they were dropping Aero, I was simply stating you can customize the new theme that replaces it.
[QUOTE=matte3560;36952511]Allright, so I'm trying out Windows 8 in a VM at the moment. The metro UI feels kinda out of place to me, since it looks nothing like the desktop. Apparently the metro UI also looks terrible with Eyefinity: [url]http://www.win8forums.com/threads/eyefinity-issues.316/[/url] I really hope they get that fixed before release, or there's no chance I'm going to switch to Windows 8. I wish there was a livecd i could use try this out properly though. My SSD is pretty much full, and only 60GB. Even if I did spilt it half and half, i would still be under the recommended amount of storage for the system partition.[/QUOTE] Don't use it in a virtual machine - many people says it's just fine and dandy, but the experience is completely different. The fact that the new start menu only takes up one screen, isn't dumb in my opinion - you can trigger the start menu on each screen, and you'll be able to have a program open on the other. And I don't understand why'd you ever let Metro applications (or any application) take up more than one screen.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36957729]Don't use it in a virtual machine - many people says it's just fine and dandy, but the experience is completely different. The fact that the new start menu only takes up one screen, isn't dumb in my opinion - you can trigger the start menu on each screen, and you'll be able to have a program open on the other. And I don't understand why'd you ever let Metro applications (or any application) take up more than one screen.[/QUOTE] That's not how Eyefinity works though. You have to configure it so that windows sees it as one huge display. When you do this in windows 8, DPI scaling completely breaks the Metro UI. It would be okay to use if it had the same scale as with a single 24" monitor, but instead you get this weird zoomed in look: [img]http://i43.tinypic.com/zmlg0y.jpg[/img] That's a screenshot of 3x1920x1080. Look at how zoomed in that is compared to this: [img]http://i43.tinypic.com/2ns537t.jpg[/img] This is three monitors (still 1920x1080) running in extend desktop mode. You can't actually game like this if you want to use all three screens. I'm fine with how metro looks here, but switching between extend desktop and eyefinity mode all the time is just not an option. If this is how it's going to stay, i have to use a fourth monitor for the metro UI. Just so happens that i have one, but it's not a good solution. [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] Another thing i dislike is that all the non-metro programs look terrible in the start menu. I guess developers will add proper icons when people start using windows 8, but a lot of older programs will still look like eyesores on the start menu.
[QUOTE=matte3560;36957866]That's not how Eyefinity works though. You have to configure it so that windows sees it as one huge display. When you do this in windows 8, DPI scaling completely breaks the Metro UI. It would be okay to use if it had the same scale as with a single 24" monitor, but instead you get this weird zoomed in look: [img]http://i43.tinypic.com/zmlg0y.jpg[/img] That's a screenshot of 3x1920x1080. Look at how zoomed in that is compared to this: [img]http://i43.tinypic.com/2ns537t.jpg[/img] This is three monitors (still 1920x1080) running in extend desktop mode. You can't actually game like this if you want to use all three screens. I'm fine with how metro looks here, but switching between extend desktop and eyefinity mode all the time is just not an option. If this is how it's going to stay, i have to use a fourth monitor for the metro UI. Just so happens that i have one, but it's not a good solution. [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] Another thing i dislike is that all the non-metro programs look terrible in the start menu. I guess developers will add proper icons when people start using windows 8, but a lot of older programs will still look like eyesores on the start menu.[/QUOTE] Ahh, I'm mixing different stuff up, sorry. I think Microsoft and AMD needs to root this out together - I think the reason why this stuff happens is because AMD's drivers are reporting the whole thing as one screen (which is pretty much what Eyefinity is meant to do), but can Microsoft just differentiate between an eyefinity set up and one big screen? [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Amiga OS;36958208]Mmmmm, Windows 95.[/QUOTE] What?
[QUOTE=The 2nd Guy;36954356]*EDIT* I have proof of dropping Aero. Here is an article from the official MS blog: [URL="http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx"]http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/18/creating-the-windows-8-user-experience.aspx[/URL][/QUOTE] I actually found this article quite interesting. They essentially called Windows 7 dated and cheesy, which a brave move for their only desktop PC OS which is for sale right now, and admitted that their ambition with Aero had failed, which again is a brave move. And I didn't know that programs from the Windows store would be sandboxed too. Given the chaos that Mac App Store sandboxing has caused, are there any Windows developers who are worried about this?
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;36958607]I actually found this article quite interesting. They essentially called Windows 7 dated and cheesy, which a brave move for their only desktop PC OS which is for sale right now, and admitted that their ambition with Aero had failed, which again is a brave move. And I didn't know that programs from the Windows store would be sandboxed too. Given the chaos that Mac App Store sandboxing has caused, are there any Windows developers who are worried about this?[/QUOTE] There's only gonna be Metro applications in the Windows store, so it isn't the same as the Mac app Store. I would like Microsoft to put desktop applications on there as well, though. And though it's a long time since I read it, aren'y they really just critizising the use of real world textures? So they're kinda critizising all OSs using that design philosophy, including Mac OSX. While Mac OSX is pretty cool design-wise, I think new design decisions such as the calendar are completely horrible: [url]http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/25/apple-os-x-mountain-lion-10-8-review/[/url]
The thin line between 'innovative' and 'impractical' is often crossed by many an OS
I might be a latefag, but here: [i]"Microsoft will name its final Windows 8 build as 9200, following an internal quirk that prevents the company from using the build 8888. Reports of the final Release to Manufacturing (RTM) build 9200.16384.WIN8_RTM.120725-1247 surfaced over at Win8China today, who also leaked a copy of the final lock screen image to accompany the default wallpaper. According to our own sources, build 9200 is the final one. The compile process started on Wednesday — outputting SKU, language, and install variations. The software maker had been expected to use the 8888 build number, but due to the complex nature of Microsoft's internal build process it has been forced to select 9200. Final localization checks and verifications on the build will now take place, and Microsoft is expected to officially declare RTM next week. We'll be sure to update you once Microsoft is able to declare 9200 as RTM."[/i] [b][url=http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/27/3192879/windows-8-build-9200-rtm-final-lock-screen-leak?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter]Source[/url][/b]
I really like the new wallpapers/lockscreens in 8. Eight times better than the logon screen and default wallpaper in 7.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;36958208]Mmmmm, Windows 95.[/QUOTE] More basic looking than Windows 95
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36958721]There's only gonna be Metro applications in the Windows store, so it isn't the same as the Mac app Store. I would like Microsoft to put desktop applications on there as well, though.[/QUOTE] But what is to say Metro apps couldn't do everything a desktop app can? The fallout from sandboxing on the Mac App Store is getting bigger and bigger so I don't see why Microsoft are following Apple into this hole (other than omg security!). [quote]And though it's a long time since I read it, aren'y they really just critizising the use of real world textures? So they're kinda critizising all OSs using that design philosophy, including Mac OSX. While Mac OSX is pretty cool design-wise, I think new design decisions such as the calendar are completely horrible: [URL]http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/25/apple-os-x-mountain-lion-10-8-review/[/URL][/quote] They said (talking about Aero) "This style of simulating faux-realistic materials (such as glass or aluminum) on the screen looks dated and cheesy now, but at the time, it was very much en vogue." which I agree is a dig at Apple for dumping brushed metal, going to flat colours, and now going full circle back to textured appearance, but Windows 7 today still uses Aero today. And then the next line says "Aero was designed to help people focus less on the window chrome itself, and more on the content within the window. It draws the eye away from the title bar and window frames, and towards what is valuable and what an app is about". He then goes on to say "For years, each release of Windows added more and more chrome around the edges of your screen and windows—buttons and widgets and gadgets. Windows 8 reverses this trend, with Windows itself receding into the background, and putting the content of your apps ahead of the chrome."
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;36959189]But what is to say Metro apps couldn't do everything a desktop app can? The fallout from sandboxing on the Mac App Store is getting bigger and bigger so I don't see why Microsoft are following Apple into this hole (other than omg security!).[/QUOTE] But whilst the Mac App Store has/had any old desktop program on it, the Windows store won't have those - it'll only have new applications specifically designed for Windows 8, just like iOS. Developers have already accepted Metro apps can't do some things Desktop Apps can (Highlighted by third party browsers).
Right but I was under the impression Metro apps were more or less the long term future of Windows as a platform. It just seems daft to me that they are going to start off with such heavy restrictions in place. I understand it's probably more a side effect of trying to target everything with one platform, and that's it's easier to loosen restrictions than tighten, but it just seems misguided to me.
Hey guys, I found the start button in Windows 8: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1yKFS.jpg[/IMG] Seriously though, keyboard shortcuts allow you to skip most of the touch gestures that some are unhappy about.
[QUOTE=Dr Egg;36959655]Right but I was under the impression Metro apps were more or less the long term future of Windows as a platform. It just seems daft to me that they are going to start off with such heavy restrictions in place. I understand it's probably more a side effect of trying to target everything with one platform, and that's it's easier to loosen restrictions than tighten, but it just seems misguided to me.[/QUOTE] Well, the restrictions aren't tighter than on the iPad, and considering that WinRT is pretty much a tablet OS like Android or iOS with some pretty nice multitasking and other stuff, it isn't surprising what they're doing with the store. I don't think Microsoft is expecting the same interest from desktop users as WinRT users.
Well im not sold I know win 8 is still in devlopment however I put it on my netbook and all it seems to cause it to do is constantly freeze/crash a while in use
[QUOTE=lordofdafood;36963473]Well im not sold I know win 8 is still in devlopment however I put it on my netbook and all it seems to cause it to do is constantly freeze/crash a while in use[/QUOTE] Did you install CP or RC?
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36963527]Did you install CP or RC?[/QUOTE] Release Preview, its looking like a memory issue its sitting idle on 540mb out of 1gb and CPU is peaking at 59% idle also Personally im on the fence I can see metro being sort of a waste but the rest is ok, I really like the square aero theme, however if they scrap that I cant see me using it atall
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;36946893]None, this is in my own subjective experience[/QUOTE] Okay, I was just curious if you had something solid. No worries.
Personally, I'm kind of excited for Windows 8. It's about time Microsoft did something different, and I plan on purchasing a Surface to enjoy it to the fullest extent. Not sure if I'll upgrade my desktop or not... Probably, since I like the organization features in the Start Screen. Granted, I'm also one of those people that hated it six months ago. I've gradually come to the realization that, maybe, it's not that bad.
I really hope they kept the tutorial that they were working on back around the time the RC came out. That would prevent a lot of people from being absolutely clueless when they go to use 8 for the first time. I'm kind of disappointed we didn't get a new version of the Windows flag default background. It was so nice, and now it's an obnoxiously bright blue background with a flower.
[QUOTE=Jimmy422;36969051]I'm kind of disappointed we didn't get a new version of the Windows flag default background. It was so nice, and now it's an obnoxiously bright blue background with a flower.[/QUOTE] In my opinion that Windows flag was obnoxious. Here's a giant Windows logo just in case you forget that you're not using OS X.
[QUOTE=Panda X;36969652]In my opinion that Windows flag was obnoxious. Here's a giant Windows logo just in case you forget that you're not using OS X.[/QUOTE] Have they found a way to muck with the bootlogo yet? I had so much fun with that on seven.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36961349]Well, the restrictions aren't tighter than on the iPad, and considering that WinRT is pretty much a tablet OS like Android or iOS with some pretty nice multitasking and other stuff, it isn't surprising what they're doing with the store. I don't think Microsoft is expecting the same interest from desktop users as WinRT users.[/QUOTE] Yeah but Apple doesn't sell iPad apps for computers with gigs and gigs of RAM, and CPUs with multiple cores running many times faster. Microsoft will. it's a waste. [editline]28th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Panda X;36969652]In my opinion that Windows flag was obnoxious. Here's a giant Windows logo just in case you forget that you're not using OS X.[/QUOTE] I have to admit this is what I never understood about Windows since Vista. Since that point forward Microsoft just seemed to spam the Windows brand everywhere, changing start buttons, renaming browsers, email clients, webmail. You see it so often that it ends up not meaning anything. Apple hardly ever uses their own logo other than to "bookend" things so it becomes more noticeable, since it isn't the norm.
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