• Windows 8
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[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37821487]Linux, over the last two years, has gotten rid of driver problems for the most part. I still have more problems getting drivers to work in windows than I do in linux.[/QUOTE] That's kind of funny, really, because as of my last attempt with Linux (Ubuntu 11.04), my wireless card worked perfect in the live CD, but was entirely unavailable after installation.
[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;37821460] What do you mean by "no reformats or anything?" When you install linux, you have to format. [/QUOTE] ...no shit? I'm talking about how when new Windows versions comes out, you need to reformat (upgrade installations tend to have issues)
[QUOTE=woolio1;37821524]That's kind of funny, really, because as of my last attempt with Linux (Ubuntu 11.04), my wireless card worked perfect in the live CD, but was entirely unavailable after installation.[/QUOTE] The live CD contains different packages than the Installation.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;37821535]...no shit? I'm talking about how when new Windows versions comes out, you need to reformat (upgrade installations tend to have issues)[/QUOTE] I've upgraded from XP to Vista and then from Vista to 7 and now from 7 to 8, and have no issues so far.
[QUOTE=woolio1;37821524]That's kind of funny, really, because as of my last attempt with Linux (Ubuntu 11.04), my wireless card worked perfect in the live CD, but was entirely unavailable after installation.[/QUOTE] Ubuntu is on 12.04.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37821617]Ubuntu is on 12.04.[/QUOTE] I realize that. The last version I used was Natty Narwhal.
I never got to check if Windows 8 could change the style of the superbar from Aero to Metro. Anyone know anything about this? Metro is hella sexy.
You guys suggesting that package managers don't matter because apps update themselves are hilarious. It's not exactly a secret that package management is a huge advantage that Linux has over Windows. It provides a lot more useful features than just software updates. A good package manager provides, most importantly, a cryptographically secure source of software source code and binaries from which multiple mirrors may be safely used. It also provides a streamlined way of installing software that doesn't differ from package to package. It lets applications specify which other applications or libraries they depend on, so that you do not suffer from the "DLL hell" problem that Windows have. Forget having to install the Visual Studio runtimes or the .NET Framework after receiving a sometimes cryptic error message. (although MS has made that a lot less common now by packaging it with Windows) It's a source of update that can be used easily by the community if their package is worthwhile. You can also provide your own repository for your software. Users add it to their list and can install it afterwards. It also lets you build applications from source code easily if it is available. You can usually acquire the dependencies and the source code of an application in one command. If anything, installing and configuring software is one of the easiest thing to do on Linux. It's a lot more "user friendly" and less dangerous than Windows in that regard. [QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;37820587]But [B]relearning[/B] Windows is a lot less difficult than [B]learning [/B]Linux [B]for the first time[/B]. At least on Windows, the basics remain the same between versions.[/QUOTE] Well yes, no surprise there. [QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;37821460]Nope. Windows is easier to use for the average computer user for a few reasons. Windows has actual, paid tech support (not the best, but still more than Linux can say.)[/QUOTE] This is hilarious. Windows is easier to use because you have easily accessible [B]support[/B]? I mean the fact that you need paid support to use Windows says something. Anyway, you're wrong. There's plenty of companies like Red Hat that provide Linux support of quality that will match and exceed MS support. Now if you have a corporate contract with Microsoft, that's different. Then they might bother fixing bugs. [QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;37821460]Also, using the command line in Linux is not something most computer users know how to do. I don't know how you get off posting about how Linux is easier than Windows.[/QUOTE] It's not something they have to do either. It just happens to be much more powerful than the GUI if they bother to learn using it.
I'd love a proper package manager on Windows.
[QUOTE=gparent;37823944]A lot of words about Linux.[/QUOTE] Listen, Linux is great, I know that and obviously so do you. The only point I was trying to make is that Linux is not the easiest option for a huge majority of computer users. We are talking people who buy laptops from Best Buy here. These people have been using Windows for years. Most of what makes linux great [I]doesn't matter at all to the casual PC user.[/I] To address a specific point, nobody said package managers don't matter. They do, and they're wonderful! But to the person who uses a laptop for farmville, even the term "package manager" is meaningless. These aren't people who care about cryptographically secure sources of software or building applications.
[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;37824373]Listen, Linux is great, I know that and obviously so do you. The only point I was trying to make is that Linux is not the easiest option for a huge majority of computer users. We are talking people who buy laptops from Best Buy here. These people have been using Windows for years. Most of what makes linux great [I]doesn't matter at all to the casual PC user.[/I] To address a specific point, nobody said package managers don't matter. They do, and they're wonderful! But to the person who uses a laptop for farmville, even the term "package manager" is meaningless. These aren't people who care about cryptographically secure sources of software or building applications.[/QUOTE] Says who? Dell ship some laptops with Ubuntu for a reason. Auto updating, comes with the required and standard applications (office package, browsers, audio players, torrent clients and the list goes on...) It's a lot harder for the everyday user to break linux than it is for them to break windows. Literally the only thing I can think of that could be made easier for the average user is disk management.
For the casual PC user, I imagine going from Windows to a user friendly Linux Distro would be less offputting than going to 8.
I don't see why the everyday user should have to fork out £100+ for windows when any userfriendly distribution like Mint or Ubuntu are just as easy to use. (albeit getting used to Unity can be confusing, but this is why distributions ship with multiple DE's)
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37824872]Says who? Dell ship some laptops with Ubuntu for a reason. Auto updating, comes with the required and standard applications (office package, browsers, audio players, torrent clients and the list goes on...) It's a lot harder for the everyday user to break linux than it is for them to break windows. Literally the only thing I can think of that could be made easier for the average user is disk management.[/QUOTE] They only sale Ubuntu laptops online, and it's damn near impossible to actually find the option to do so.
[QUOTE=Panda X;37824940]They only sale Ubuntu laptops online, and it's damn near impossible to actually find the option to do so.[/QUOTE] As far as I'm aware it's only on some of the very high end models, but hey, it's something at least.
[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;37824373]Listen, Linux is great, I know that and obviously so do you. The only point I was trying to make is that Linux is not the easiest option for a huge majority of computer users.[/QUOTE] Sure, that doesn't mean I won't correct statements that I find misleading or incorrect. [QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;37824373]But to the person who uses a laptop for farmville, even the term "package manager" is meaningless. These aren't people who care about cryptographically secure sources of software or building applications.[/QUOTE] Stop using the dumbass who plays farmville as an example. He doesn't know windows update, IE or Chrome either. A lot of those idiots think the blue E is the only way to reach the Internet. I'm comparing the OS here, not what Joe Retard thinks of the OS. I'm sure Joe would rather have a single place to get software rather than a bajillion of websites with a bunch of spyware ads in between, so it is too bad that he's too used to Windows as you say. People really gotta admit that Linux is only "hard" because most people never used it, instead of coming up with a million stupid excuses as to why it's so complicated compared to other alternatives. This kind of misleading/lying doesn't help anyone. [QUOTE=Panda X;37824883]For the casual PC user, I imagine going from Windows to a user friendly Linux Distro would be less offputting than going to 8.[/QUOTE] Yeah although Ubuntu really is taking a shit too recently.
I'm not saying Linux is hard, overly complicated or bad, I use linux on my netbook and I like it a lot. My argument is just that a majority of computer users A) Don't know how to install a different OS and don't care to and B) A majority of computer users have never and probably will never purchase and/or use a computer with some linux Distro. This means that it's easier for these non-savvy users will find it easier just to stick to windows. My intent was not to lie or mislead anybody. I am sorry I wasn't c;ear.
[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;37803795]Yes. In order to do the $40 upgrade, you will need a valid Windows 7 License. Otherwise you can purchase Windows 8 for full price.[/QUOTE] If it's like Windows 7 that's not true. I could do a clean install from the 7 upgrade iso and then [url=http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows-7/clean-install-windows-7-with-upgrade-media-128512]change a registry key once it booted to make it think I did an upgrade installation[/url] (Method #2 in the link above). I don't know if they fixed that in 8 but I doubt it. Worst comes to worst you can (like previously suggested) install XP and do an upgrade.
[QUOTE=Jimmy422;37828125]If it's like Windows 7 that's not true. I could do a clean install from the 7 upgrade iso and then [url=http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows-7/clean-install-windows-7-with-upgrade-media-128512]change a registry key once it booted to make it think I did an upgrade installation[/url] (Method #2 in the link above). I don't know if they fixed that in 8 but I doubt it. Worst comes to worst you can (like previously suggested) install XP and do an upgrade.[/QUOTE] From what I've seen, to get the $40 upgrade, you have to download a program that checks for a valid license before it even directs you to the purchase page.
ITT: We talk about Linux. In a Windows thread. Something tells me we should get this train back on track.
Can you guys please get back on track, I wanna read about Windows 8, not Linux :(.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;37816789]Alright so I redeemed two "Windows PC upgrades to Windows 8" coupons so I will get two copies of Windows 8 Pro for $30 in total. I was just wondering, how do upgrades work? Will I always be forced to install Windows 7 THEN install Windows 8 or can I just install it on a blank drive normally without any hassle?[/QUOTE] Anyone?
[QUOTE=Daniel M;37828766]Anyone?[/QUOTE] You would need an existing Windows version installed yes.
[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;37824373]Listen, Linux is great, I know that and obviously so do you. The only point I was trying to make is that Linux is not the easiest option for a huge majority of computer users. We are talking people who buy laptops from Best Buy here. These people have been using Windows for years. Most of what makes linux great [I][B]doesn't matter at all to the casual PC user.[/B][/I] To address a specific point, nobody said package managers don't matter. They do, and they're wonderful! But to the person who uses a laptop for farmville, even the term "package manager" is meaningless. These aren't people who care about cryptographically secure sources of software or building applications.[/QUOTE] I'd disagree, since people want Macbooks so badly because Windows is not a good OS. Both OSX and Linux have allot of similarities, care-free package managers, good and [I] consistent[/I] GUI's, better performance and optimization, etc heck it'd be allot faster due to not being on NTFS and using EXT3 [editline]27th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=woolio1;37828360]ITT: We talk about Linux. In a Windows thread. Something tells me we should get this train back on track.[/QUOTE] what is there to talk about? The "Building Windows 8" blog doesn't update anymore because Windows 8 is done, and we all know what it will and will not include, much to the dissapointment of many who wanted an OS that was heavily upgraded with quality comparable to Linux or OSX
On to the Windows 9 thread then.
Windows 8 thread V-I'm switching back to 98
[QUOTE=The Baconator;37828886]I'd disagree, since people want Macbooks so badly because Windows is not a good OS. Both OSX and Linux have allot of similarities, care-free package managers, good and [I] consistent[/I] GUI's, better performance and optimization, etc heck it'd be allot faster due to not being on NTFS and using EXT3[/QUOTE] If Linux and Mac are the easier option, why in the fuck does windows have a majority of the PC market? Because they [I]don't care[/I] about NTFS versus EXT3, they [I]don't care[/I] about package managers or optimization. As long as the OS does what it always does, and the same buttons do what they always do and you install programs the same way, the average customer is absolutely content. They'd rather rest with mediocrity than go through the hassle of getting something better.
I will probably never stop using Windows unless they make a new OS. [editline]28th September 2012[/editline] Would be really cool if Steam got integrated in Windows 8 itself, like installing it from the store or something.
[QUOTE=SweFox*;37829386]I will probably never stop using Windows unless they make a new OS. [editline]28th September 2012[/editline] Would be really cool if Steam got integrated in Windows 8 itself, like installing it from the store or something.[/QUOTE] I just hope that Windows uses Metro's way of full-screen apps for desktop full-screen apps. It's much much nicer. [editline]28th September 2012[/editline] No fucking around with Alt+Tab anymore
To be fair, the classic window system is not that great. You rarely can put programs side-by-side and having them over each-other is rarely useful. Not to mention that a lot of programs you run maximized/fullscreen, such as browser, creative/editing software (photoshop, etc) and games, rendering the whole window system useless. I know metro is not designed as a desktop environment replacement. But I think the concept of full-screen programs, with the possibility of having a secondary one to the side, may not be such a bad idea.
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