[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;39208815]RT was a blooming failure.
It could have been alike to the x86 versions but noo, it's so locked down[/QUOTE]
then you'd have lotsa windows rt viruses because people are idiots
and then the entire thing would've failed even more than now
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[QUOTE=Killuah;39208196]I created a Win8 to go through Win 7, unfortunately I don't seem to have the Group Policy Object Editor for whatever dumb reason, the Win 8 image I used was rtm.
Now I need that to enable app store apps for Windows To Go, any ideas?[/QUOTE]
Is it 8 Pro?
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39208034]What "laptop stuff" do you want to do?
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i hate how everybody makes these icons too big to fit the app name[/QUOTE]
I never need the app name. The text looks ugly.
Well I want shit to be consistent :I
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39209938]Okay, so do you want a laptop? Then buy a laptop. Do you want a tablet? Buy a tablet. The Surface Pro is terrible as a laptop and it's terrible as an ultrabook. Unless you'll want to shell out another $100 or so for the type cover, the typing experience will be terrible, too.
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Hell, I'd go so far to say Windows 8 was a blooming failure period. The hardware they've introduced is crap, they leave a lackluster tutorial for the new interface, and the new interface while me and plenty of other people like it is far from perfect.[/QUOTE]
I don't want a laptop or a tablet - I want both. I'm of course taking the type cover into account. The Dell XPS 12 is probably the best solution out there, but I don't think I can afford it.
And I'd say Windows 8 has introduced some pretty nice hardware - not groundbreaking, sure, but some manufactures (Acer for example) have really stepped up their game.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39213148]I don't want a laptop or a tablet - I want both. I'm of course taking the type cover into account. The Dell XPS 12 is probably the best solution out there, but I don't think I can afford it.
And I'd say Windows 8 has introduced some pretty nice hardware - not groundbreaking, sure, but some manufactures (Acer for example) have really stepped up their game.[/QUOTE]
I'm in the same boat, and there is the Thinkpad Helix and the Ideapad Yoga 13, for $1499 and $1149.
Oh, looking at prices that Dell XPS 12 is $1199 so the price range is the same.
[QUOTE=Rulz;39213633]I'm in the same boat, and there is the Thinkpad Helix and the Ideapad Yoga 13, for $1499 and $1149.
Oh, looking at prices that Dell XPS 12 is $1199 so the price range is the same.[/QUOTE]
I'd definitely consider the Dell XPS 12, it's one of the nicest machines I've ever laid my eyes on. And the hybrid part of it is simple, but ingenious.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39211382]then you'd have lotsa windows rt viruses because people are idiots
and then the entire thing would've failed even more than now
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Is it 8 Pro?[/QUOTE]
Looks like the AIK tool I used chose to install Core and nothing else, I am so fucking mad right now.
Anyone know why imgur is getting blocked on my install of Server 2012? I just get a connection error on all browsers.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39198991]That's the thing - the Surface isn't, either. Emblem on the back fades real quick, the keyboard cover comes undone if you fold it back even a few times, the magnets for the keyboard cover come out of the frame, and the charger, even though it's magnetically attached, doesn't quite "hit" the charging pins every time.
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I know for the keyboard cover splitting it's the user's fault - I asked about this issue when I stopped at a MS store and the guy showed me it's because to flip the keyboard back you have to [i][b]detach it and flip it around[/b][/i]. Most customers don't do this and thus, splitting. He said they're probably going to release an updated one. Other than that, yes the pen is in a stupid spot but the magnet is pretty strong from what i've heard, so it should be okay.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39213148]I don't want a laptop or a tablet - I want both. I'm of course taking the type cover into account. The Dell XPS 12 is probably the best solution out there, but I don't think I can afford it.
And I'd say Windows 8 has introduced some pretty nice hardware - not groundbreaking, sure, but some manufactures (Acer for example) have really stepped up their game.[/QUOTE]
There is no "both." Plain and simple.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39215953]There is no "both." Plain and simple.[/QUOTE]
Well, that's a stupid statement in my opinion. Can you explain exactly why a product like the Dell XPS 12 can't both be useful as a tablet [I]and[/I] an ultrabook? Can you tell me why I'd much prefer to walk around with two devices instead of this single one? Both at the same time, maybe not, but turn the screen around and you have the other.
[B]The entire fucking point of a tablet is to not lug around a fullsized laptop[/B]
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You don't lug around both. You take one or the other.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39217038][B]The entire fucking point of a tablet is to not lug around a fullsized laptop[/B]
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You don't lug around both. You take one or the other.[/QUOTE]
Is that why many people bring both their tablet [I]and[/I] laptop? The Dell XPS 12 isn't bigger than any other ultrabook, but because of the way it's built, it can be a tablet as well. Now, where's the negative here? Because I don't see it.
What does Windows 8 bring for tablets that an iPad can't do? Because I'm sure as hell having buyers remorse on my Vivo Tab.
PC-ish stuff. Dual monitors, connecting stuff to USB and shit.
Then you don't want a tablet in the first place.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39217095]What does Windows 8 bring for tablets that an iPad can't do? Because I'm sure as hell having buyers remorse on my Vivo Tab.[/QUOTE]
Well, Windows 8 doesn't bring much to tablets. It brings lots to hybrids. Your Vivo Tab isn't a hybrid, and the hardware I'm talking about is [I]much[/I] faster. Once again, why should I walk around with both a tablet [I]and[/I] an ultrabook when a single device would accomplish the same?
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[QUOTE=Protocol7;39217123]Then you don't want a tablet in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I want a hybrid. Not a tablet. Not an ultrabook. A hybrid. I don't know why you can't grasp the concept.
And aside from the interface, Windows 8 is a horrible tablet OS. And yes, contrary to popular belief, the Vivo Tab is a hybrid. I sure as hell don't know what else to call something that has a keyboard with touchpad and a touchscreen.
I personally don't want a tablet that's heavier than everything else, has a fan, and abysmal battery life. So what that it's also a laptop? The only thing you're doing is forcing yourself to clean your laptop screen more often!
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39217192]Well, Windows 8 doesn't bring much to tablets. It brings lots to hybrids. Your Vivo Tab isn't a hybrid, and the hardware I'm talking about is [I]much[/I] faster. Once again, why should I walk around with both a tablet [I]and[/I] an ultrabook when a single device would accomplish the same?
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Yep, I want a hybrid. Not a tablet. Not an ultrabook. A hybrid. I don't know why you can't grasp the concept.[/QUOTE]
I'd love a hybrid device, I wouldn't give two shits about my laptop and iPad. It's a real pity that the price is blooming.
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[QUOTE=Protocol7;39217234]And aside from the interface, Windows 8 is a horrible tablet OS. And yes, contrary to popular belief, the Vivo Tab is a hybrid. I sure as hell don't know what else to call something that has a keyboard with touchpad and a touchscreen.
I personally don't want a tablet that's heavier than everything else, has a fan, and abysmal battery life. So what that it's also a laptop? The only thing you're doing is forcing yourself to clean your laptop screen more often![/QUOTE]
I think the point of a hybrid is you carry only one device with you that is a little heavy, but not so heavy to fuck up your wrists. Saves space as well I think in your backpack.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39217123]Then you don't want a tablet in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Seems nice to me. One device to do lots of stuff.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39217257]Seems nice to me. One device to do lots of stuff.[/QUOTE]
Like what? What could you possibly consolidate between a tablet and a laptop, other than space and weight (which believe me is negligible)?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39217234]And aside from the interface, Windows 8 is a horrible tablet OS. And yes, contrary to popular belief, the Vivo Tab is a hybrid. I sure as hell don't know what else to call something that has a keyboard with touchpad and a touchscreen.
I personally don't want a tablet that's heavier than everything else, has a fan, and abysmal battery life. So what that it's also a laptop? The only thing you're doing is forcing yourself to clean your laptop screen more often![/QUOTE]
Ehh, it would appear to me that the screen is separate from the keyboard. That's a keyboard dock, not a hybrid. The Surface Pro is a tablet as well, let's agree on that. If you have to carry the keyboard separate from the device itself, it's not a hybrid. Otherwise we could call the iPad, the whole transformer series, the SG Tab and a lot of other stuff hybrids as well, simply because they have a keyboard dock accessory. The Dell XPS 12 on the other hand is [I]not[/I] a tablet, it's a hybrid. It's also much more powerful than an iPad, Vivo Tab or whatever, and it can fulfill the same purpose as an ultrabook, while also being useful as a tablet. It's not perfect as a tablet - it's a good deal heavier than an iPad, and battery life won't be as good, but I want a productivity device first and foremost, and that means having a relatively big and comfortable keyboard. The tablet part is secondary to me, but it's a nice addition in my opinion.
I personally would like a hybrid that is the same weight as an ultrabook, is reasonably quiet and has some 5-6 hours of battery life. So it's also a tablet? The only thing that does is that I can use it as both - what a bummer!
Then it sounds to me like you want an ultrabook for it being an ultrabook and not a hybrid.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39217388]Then it sounds to me like you want an ultrabook for it being an ultrabook and not a hybrid.[/QUOTE]
And what makes you say that? Sure, I want to be mainly an ultrabook, but I like the idea of a tablet, while not liking the idea of carrying two devices. If that's not the most pure reason to get a hybrid, I don't know what is.
I'm just saying now is a poor time to get one. The shitty software, botched hardware jobs, and power-hungry internal hardware does not make it worthwhile.
considering that i want an arm tablet, i really don't care about x86 hardware
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39217562]considering that i want an arm tablet, i really don't care about x86 hardware[/QUOTE]
Well current hardware for RT leaves a lot to be desired too
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39217428]I'm just saying now is a poor time to get one. The shitty software, botched hardware jobs, and power-hungry internal hardware does not make it worthwhile.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't what you said at all, though. You were arguing that there's no "both", and I understand that as "the hybrid platform is inherently bad". If that wasn't what you meant, I'm sorry that i misunderstood it. I'm personally waiting for Haswell to arrive (I've never been a guy to jump the gun with this kind of stuff - I waited 1.5 years for Sandy Bridge to arrive), but that doesn't mean the current hardware is in any way more shit than whatever else you may find out there. On the contrary, I'd say the Dell XPS 12 looks like one of the best ultrabooks out there, while also being useful as a tablet. Have you tried the Dell XPS 12? The experience is great, really, nothing like the Atom based ones I've tried. That's the problem with the atom based tablet/hybrids, performance is just not very good.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39217573]Well current hardware for RT leaves a lot to be desired too[/QUOTE]
my only desire is for a desktop-level browser, and that's there :v:
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39217610]my only desire is for a desktop-level browser, and that's there :v:[/QUOTE]
But the Surface and the Vivo Tab are both RMAs waiting to happen and I'm not sure any other RT tablets are available yet.
That's about what I use mine for, but I'd honestly take an iPad at this point so I could do more. 16 hours of web browsing battery life is nice but not $550 nice.
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