[QUOTE=Amiga OS;39378192]Yeah you can ignore it, Secure Boot was a good idea but it was [B]bastardized since Microsoft are using it to stop you loading other OS's onto your computer.[/B][/QUOTE]
Why do you keep ragging on Microsoft products with issues that don't exist.
[url]http://www.pcworld.com/article/242865/linux_foundation_secure_boot_need_not_be_a_problem.html[/url]
[url]http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-dont-blame-us-if-windows-8s-secure-boot-requirement-blocks-linux-dual-boot/10781[/url]
Secure boot does not block out other operating systems unless they don't
A. have a key
or
B. Have Secure boot disabled which should be enabled unless the OEM disabled it which is not Microsoft being dicks but the people who made the computers.
The whole "Secure boot will kill linux" arguement was started by a few people not understanding a article that was admittedly lacking info posted on the win 8 dev blog that ignited a huge and unnecessary uproar. Unfortunately many people are still upset after various tech sites, Microsoft and even [url=http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/microsoft-windows8-secure-boot/]Linus Torvalds[/url] said it's a non issue.
So please before you go commenting and "informing people" please check your facts first.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39390239]That's because ARM windows tablets are a joke :)[/QUOTE]
They're slightly more productive than iPad and Android counter-parts, and Atom is still not usable for any kind of heavy load. Yeah, you [I]can[/I] run more applications on Atom, but they're still running like shit. I don't think we'll see a real ARM-competitive X86 CPU until Haswell.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39390918]They're slightly more productive than iPad and Android counter-parts, and Atom is still not usable for any kind of heavy load. Yeah, you [I]can[/I] run more applications on Atom, but they're still running like shit. I don't think we'll see a real ARM-competitive X86 CPU until Haswell.[/QUOTE]
The Atom is still miles ahead of the Tegra 3 though.
[url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/6522/the-clover-trail-atom-z2760-review-acers-w510-tested/4[/url]
does any device actually use clover trail yet?
Asus VivoTab
Asus VivoTab Smart
HP Envy x2
HP ElitePad 900
Dell Latitude 10
Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2
Lenovo IdeaTab Lynx
Samsung Series 5 Slate (Samsung ATIV Smart PC)
Acer Iconia W510
ZTE V98
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39390597][url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/6529/busting-the-x86-power-myth-indepth-clover-trail-power-analysis[/url]
battery life is comparable with ARM tablets.
[editline]28th January 2013[/editline]
and considering how much more powerful CT is compared to the Tegra 3:
[url]http://liliputing.com/2012/12/intels-clover-trail-tested-it-beats-most-arm-based-chips-most-of-the-time.html[/url][/QUOTE]
oh well that's pretty good
what ct tablets are out there
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39392193]oh well that's pretty good
what ct tablets are out there[/QUOTE]
Asus has their regular VivoTab, but as you've seen I wouldn't expect anything fantastic from them. The Acer W510 is probably the next best bet until some big players like MS start using CT.
honestly ms should just ditch the RT thing and stick with W8 pro on all tabs
[QUOTE=redBadger;39392435]honestly ms should just ditch the RT thing and stick with W8 pro on all tabs[/QUOTE]
Why exactly?
[QUOTE=Panda X;39393523]Why exactly?[/QUOTE]
Why would you want a less-featured version of Windows that is at its core the exact same as regular Windows? I've already shown that the hardware for ultraportable X86 Windows tablets exist. I'd personally love to install Chrome on my Vivo Tab, but with it being Windows RT and all...
traded my windows 8 pro+windows media center key for the new Deus Ex and Trine 2
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39393638]Why would you want a less-featured version of Windows that is at its core the exact same as regular Windows? I've already shown that the hardware for ultraportable X86 Windows tablets exist. I'd personally love to install Chrome on my Vivo Tab, but with it being Windows RT and all...[/QUOTE]
What features does Pro have against RT? Other than the desktop which I don't see that being a notable feature because if people wanted to fiddle around on the desktop on a tablet Windows XP Tablet PC edition and Windows 7 tablets would have sold like crazy.
[QUOTE=Cronos Dage;39393643]traded my windows 8 pro+windows media center key for the new Deus Ex and Trine 2[/QUOTE]
Good trade.
[QUOTE=Panda X;39393668]What features does Pro have against RT? Other than the desktop which I don't see that being a notable feature because if people wanted to fiddle around on the desktop on a tablet Windows XP Tablet PC edition and Windows 7 tablets would have sold like crazy.[/QUOTE]
Why would you ever want to sell a less-useful version of your flagship OS if comparable hardware exists? Surely if people are buying the Surface for the appeal of Windows, but being able to install desktop apps at will would be an even bigger selling point.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39393721]Why would you ever want to sell a less-useful version of your flagship OS if comparable hardware exists? Surely if people are buying the Surface for the appeal of Windows, but being able to install desktop apps at will would be an even bigger selling point.[/QUOTE]
I'd prefer it if they made a tablet with a proper tablet oriented OS on it instead of some clunky hybrid shit. Having the desktop is hardly a selling point as it's next to fucking useless on a tablet, especially one as small as the Surface.
[QUOTE=Panda X;39393797]I'd prefer it if they made a tablet with a proper tablet oriented OS on it instead of some clunky hybrid shit. Having the desktop is hardly a selling point as it's next to fucking useless on a tablet, especially one as small as the Surface.[/QUOTE]
It's not useless at all though. Like, even with my ardent hatred for RT tablets, saying that the desktop is useless on a smaller device is silly. Desktop on a phone? Sure, that's weird. But on a tablet that shares a resolution with pretty much 90% of laptops out there? I could definitely think of a few desktop apps I want on one, and they have trackpads built into the covers to make input more natural.
It's not entirely clunky hybrid shit since literally nothing [I]forces[/I] you to use the desktop unless you want to type up a word doc.
That's the only selling point that I can see. What other reason is there to get a Windows tablet instead of iOS or Android? There's barely any apps and even the ones that are there are mostly shit.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39393835]It's not useless at all though. Like, even with my ardent hatred for RT tablets, saying that the desktop is useless on a smaller device is silly. Desktop on a phone? Sure, that's weird. But on a tablet that shares a resolution with pretty much 90% of laptops out there? I could definitely think of a few desktop apps I want on one, and they have trackpads built into the covers to make input more natural.
It's not entirely clunky hybrid shit since literally nothing [I]forces[/I] you to use the desktop unless you want to type up a word doc.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, after using the desktop on a Surface, it's complete shit. All the controls, buttons, scrollbars, spinners, etc are all too small to be using on a tablet. Secondly if I were to slap on a keyboard and trackpad, why wouldn't I just get a laptop?
[editline]28th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=RautaPalli;39393850]That's the only selling point that I can see. What other reason is there to get a Windows tablet instead of iOS or Android? There's barely any apps and even the ones that are there are mostly shit.[/QUOTE]
If that was really a selling point though, all those Windows 7 tablets that OEMs created wouldn't have failed miserably in sales.
[QUOTE=Panda X;39393890]In my opinion, after using the desktop on a Surface, it's complete shit. All the controls, buttons, scrollbars, spinners, etc are all too small to be using on a tablet. Secondly if I were to slap on a keyboard and trackpad, why wouldn't I just get a laptop?[/QUOTE]
My Vivo Tab is still a hell of a lot more portable than my 15.6 inch (admittedly for gaming) laptop. And does get around the 16 hours of battery life they boast.
But then again you're getting down to my original original argument in that why does anyone want a windows tablet in the first place? Microsoft is late to the game again and they don't bring anything really new or worthwhile.
I'm not saying it's a good selling point, I'm just saying that it's the ONLY selling point the Surface has over iOS and Android tablets (which isn't a good thing).
But it has a kickstand and it's set to dubstep music, surely that's what youngsters want right?
I think the better question would be where does it draw the line from being a tablet to an ultrabook.
If all W8 tablets were built in with Pro at a cheaper price, there would be absolutely no reason to even touch an iPad or an Android tab. But then again, why not just get an ultrabook? If Microsoft makes a tab that boasts greater battery life and solid hardware capable of running common tools and apps (for me, that would be ProTools, Komplete and Sibelius), then I would love to grab the tablet over the ultrabook. However, that blurry line is still there, and I'd still ask myself the same question: Why not just get an ultrabook?
I think it's down to preference. Choice is not a bad thing. Choice between an intentionally gimped OS vs it's fully functional counterpart? [B]THAT[/B] is bad.
[editline]28th January 2013[/editline]
How many people do you think bought a RT device only to realize they can't run After Effects or Outlook or whatever on it? Too many to be negligible, I reckon.
I disagree with myself after thinking about it.
RT Tabs can be a good thing if the price was lower. I would pay for a RT device if I had the ability to use Office and any of the default apps (maps, music, video, photos, news, IE10) and downloadable apps (Netflix, other news, radio, paint, dropbox, etc) assuming a lower price.
Microsoft could put a dent in the competition if they did that, but they'd have to figure out a larger selling point. Running W7 apps should be that option, but the question of tablet or ultrabook comes up again.
Yeah, as it stands CT tabs cost about the same as an ARM tab. Further adds to the confusion, and the hardware power difference should account for SOME difference. Asus has a $250 Tegra 3 tab for Christ sake.
Are you guys using a local account or are you logged in to live? Which do you prefer?
[QUOTE=oort;39399495]Are you guys using a local account or are you logged in to live? Which do you prefer?[/QUOTE]
Local because I'm paranoid.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39394753]Yeah, as it stands CT tabs cost about the same as an ARM tab. Further adds to the confusion, and the hardware power difference should account for SOME difference. Asus has a $250 Tegra 3 tab for Christ sake.[/QUOTE]
Wow, the CT version of the Vivo Tab is a $100 less than the RT version. And it's 64GB instead of 32GB. This is just plain stupid. Still, if the price was right, I'd definitely say there's room for an RT version.
[editline]29th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=oort;39399495]Are you guys using a local account or are you logged in to live? Which do you prefer?[/QUOTE]
I use Live, though I don't think there's a big difference, really.
Has anyone figured out how to change system fonts yet?
I have tried editing the values highlighted below.
[img]http://puu.sh/1UnsN/3292510652[/img]
It hardly changes anything. Maybe a few dialogue boxes, and somehow it also changes my G510 keyboard's screen font, which was a pleasant surprise. But anyway, anyone done it yet?
[QUOTE=oort;39399495]Are you guys using a local account or are you logged in to live? Which do you prefer?[/QUOTE]
I use local accounts, because windows live doesen't respect my privacy,
and I don't need this feature at all.
[editline]29th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=whatthe;39400047]Has anyone figured out how to change system fonts yet?
I have tried editing the values highlighted below.
[img]http://puu.sh/1UnsN/3292510652[/img]
It hardly changes anything. Maybe a few dialogue boxes, and somehow it also changes my G510 keyboard's screen font, which was a pleasant surprise. But anyway, anyone done it yet?[/QUOTE]
I think you have to edit the .msstyle file of your windows theme.
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