• Windows 8
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[QUOTE=RautaPalli;35009317]You prefer this over collapsible folders? [t]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14597902/Screenshot.png[/t] And this is just with 6 programs installed. I don't even want to imagine how hard it will be to find anything there after a while when you have more stuff on your computer.[/QUOTE] On the other hand - you [I]do[/I] have a pretty good overview, something you don't have with lots of small, collapsible folders.
[QUOTE=Panda X;35013265][url]http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/[/url] [t]http://i.cubeupload.com/gna4ap.png[/t][/QUOTE] I installed this and now I can't log off/switch user/lock. how fix
[QUOTE=Raijin;35025277]I installed this and now I can't log off/switch user/lock. how fix[/QUOTE] Alt-f4 and win-L? Thankfully I got used to using keybinds.
[QUOTE=Marlamin;35022052]Got a mail too. [thumb]http://vps.marlamin.nl/u/Screenshot-2012-03-06_18.37.26.png[/thumb] FUCKING YES[/QUOTE] My main problem with this is, it looks like they just took the start menu, reduced the size, and called it a day; that's not helpful as the start menu is designed to take up the full screen, doing what they did basically just removes functionally. What I really want from a start replacement is something similar to the current start menu (in windows 7), two columns, one with various quick system links (Computer, control panel, run..., power options, etc...) and the other, by default, showing all of the pinned things from the start menu. The search feature should use one vertical column to display the results (where the pinned items are by default), and uses the other column (where system links are by default) for the various things windows 8 allows you to search. Add in an easy way to access the full screen start menu, and that might actually be useful. The only thing I like about it in its current state is that it adds back the start orb, but there's other ways to do that, and it doesn't even disable the pop-up preview (which I hate as it hides the first two pinned items, aka the items I use the most).
[QUOTE=DaMastez;35027569]My main problem with this is, it looks like they just took the start menu, reduced the size, and called it a day; that's not helpful as the start menu is designed to take up the full screen, doing what they did basically just removes functionally. What I really want from a start replacement is something similar to the current start menu (in windows 7), two columns, one with various quick system links (Computer, control panel, run..., power options, etc...) and the other, by default, showing all of the pinned things from the start menu. The search feature should use one vertical column to display the results (where the pinned items are by default), and uses the other column (where system links are by default) for the various things windows 8 allows you to search. Add in an easy way to access the full screen start menu, and that might actually be useful. The only thing I like about it in its current state is that it adds back the start orb, but there's other ways to do that, and it doesn't even disable the pop-up preview (which I hate as it hides the first two pinned items, aka the items I use the most).[/QUOTE] Hey, it's better than having to pull out to the start screen every time. That, alone, is worth it.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;35027569]My main problem with this is, it looks like they just took the start menu, reduced the size, and called it a day; that's not helpful as the start menu is designed to take up the full screen, doing what they did basically just removes functionally. What I really want from a start replacement is something similar to the current start menu (in windows 7), two columns, one with various quick system links (Computer, control panel, run..., power options, etc...) and the other, by default, showing all of the pinned things from the start menu. The search feature should use one vertical column to display the results (where the pinned items are by default), and uses the other column (where system links are by default) for the various things windows 8 allows you to search. Add in an easy way to access the full screen start menu, and that might actually be useful. The only thing I like about it in its current state is that it adds back the start orb, but there's other ways to do that, and it doesn't even disable the pop-up preview (which I hate as it hides the first two pinned items, aka the items I use the most).[/QUOTE] You can set it to show the start screen itself rather than the apps screen which show all your pinned apps (though you have to scroll to see more) and search does work like that. You search and it shows on the left column where the apps are.
[QUOTE=Marlamin;35025444]Alt-f4 and win-L? Thankfully I got used to using keybinds.[/QUOTE] Any way to navigate via mouse? I live with computer illiterates and they won't be happy if they have to use keyboard shortcuts.
God, I blue screened on startup this morning... opening my windows 7 installation. In other news, I've got a theory as to why this UI is such a failure: It's taken from systems that rely on non-fluid navigation. When you think about it, the Xbox, Phone, and Tablet OS's that Microsoft has all work because they make a non-fluid navigation style (clicking a thumbstick from side to side or sliding your finger, lifting, and sliding again) feel relatively fluid. However, a computer has a fluid form of navigation. A mouse. You move and click on your target in the same motion without having to reset your hand/finger. What they've tried to do is integrate a UI built for non-fluid motion [i]into[/i] an OS on a system with fluid motion. The fact that they complicated the menus by burying anything worth a shit doesn't help. Just a theory.
I think I'm still a bit unconvinced on Windows 8 since it looks a little unfinished. Then again I should probably wait for the RC before I start putting judgement like that on.
I'm just worried about Microsoft. I'm not saying this OS will break the company, but I will say that with the momentum Apple's recently gained and memories of Vista still fresh in the minds of consumers, Microsoft will really be hurt by another Windows: Me style drop in popularity and quality. [editline]time[/editline] Note: I don't think Vista was all that bad. Not the best and an awful follow up to XP, but taken alone, It wasn't as terrible as it's cultural reputation led everyone to believe. It was also up against a fresh resurgence of Apple-ites, which helped form cultural thoughts about Vista.
Metro isn't bad, I think it just needs some tweaks to work better on a desktop PC. The Desktop mode needs fixed up a little more. Some of it doesn't seem as high of quality as Windows 7 for some reason (But wait for RC) Vista wasn't bad, I thought it was an improvement over XP (but not a giant one)
[QUOTE=Zedicus Mann;35029720]Metro isn't bad, I think it just needs some tweaks to work better on a desktop PC. The Desktop mode needs fixed up a little more. Some of it doesn't seem as high of quality as Windows 7 for some reason (But wait for RC) Vista wasn't bad, I thought it was an improvement over XP (but not a giant one)[/QUOTE] I agree, the metro is a good UI. But I think it works better on other systems with different forms of navigation. Tweaking it for computers would probably require them to "complicate " the menus a bit and add more to them in the way of accessing things. I like the style, its a change, but it's not bad. I just don't like the over-simplification.
[QUOTE=Panda X;35028449]You can set it to show the start screen itself rather than the apps screen which show all your pinned apps (though you have to scroll to see more) and search does work like that. You search and it shows on the left column where the apps are.[/QUOTE] That's not what I'm talking about. When you have it show the start screen, it's just showing the start screen in a smaller window, which, for one, causes a lot of wasted space with that huge text saying "Start" at the top and the massive amount of padding, among other things. With search, I mean I wanted one column having search results (not the 2 and a half it shows now) and results that can't fit on screen being accessible using a vertical scroll bar (rather than a horizontal one). Poor example: [t]http://i41.tinypic.com/16q5ap.jpg[/t] [t]http://i42.tinypic.com/34629ht.jpg[/t] Perhaps having the pinned tile area display tiles as they appear in the start menu, minus all of the excess padding and in one column using vertical scrolling for additional items would be better, or at least a good option. Perhaps I just dislike horizontal scrolling way to much. Also, I want to say I actually like the fullscreen start menu, it's a great place to get a lot of information quickly; but it is cumbersome when you're trying to quickly access something, which is where I personally would like something more compact to come in (thus, not so much about displaying detailed information but rather providing quick access to programs).
Anyone know of some good future windows tablets coming out when w8 is released? Considering buying one because I see the possibilities of it.
Found a couple of panoramic walls for dualscreen users for 8: [url]http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/downloads/nightfall-and-starlight-panoramic-theme[/url]
This makes me want to go back to Windows 98 now
Just looking back on previous operating systems, let's have a quick look at Chicago - the base of windows 95 with a windows 3.1 touch [IMG]http://toastytech.com/guis/c73desk.gif[/IMG] If there is one thing that windows has came long from, it is this. But one item that is noticeable is the start button. See how it is just a square, kind of like today but only an orb? Count me wrong if you want but I think the base of the windows 7 - windows 8 (mods) start orb is based off windows Chicago.. I knew about for a while just resisted to comment on it. [editline]7th March 2012[/editline] Also the program tabs bare an early resemblance of the expanded windows7/windows8 taskbar
That is actually where the "superbar" idea came from.
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/windows-server/v8-trial.aspx[/url] Out now! And i know I'm late, sorry for not noticing ealryier.
So has MS responded to any of the W8 controversies or criticisms? Namely, the criticism that it heavily favors touchscreens over mouse and keyboards to the point of many people being turned off or angry? Also, it seems like there may not be a million SKU's after all: [url]http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401256,00.asp[/url]
[QUOTE=Panda X;35042109]That is actually where the "superbar" idea came from.[/QUOTE] I'm glad they looked back on their past with those ideas.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU[/media] beh im very fussy with windows 8 its designed in a way that is supposed to be user friendly almost to a point that it's TOO MUCH user friendliness for more hardcore/heavy users, but then you realize the user friendly stuff is hampered by awful design choices that make it impossible to use for regular people. i like the improvements to explorer and the aero theme update, and the efficiency and new task manager are really nice, but i just hate metro. metro is really cool and its a good idea but they executed it in such an awful, clunky way i just don't know if i'm comfortable switching to windows 8. i might end up sticking with windows 7 :(
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35043882] beh im very fussy with windows 8 its designed in a way that is supposed to be user friendly almost to a point that it's TOO MUCH user friendliness for more hardcore/heavy users, but then you realize the user friendly stuff is hampered by awful design choices that make it impossible to use for regular people. i like the improvements to explorer and the aero theme update, and the efficiency and new task manager are really nice, but i just hate metro. metro is really cool and its a good idea but they executed it in such an awful, clunky way i just don't know if i'm comfortable switching to windows 8. i might end up sticking with windows 7 :([/QUOTE] That's just painful to watch, hopefully Microsoft will take notice and make hiding the start orb/show desktop buttons optional (and shown by default).
[QUOTE=DaMastez;35044417]That's just painful to watch, hopefully Microsoft will take notice and make hiding the start orb/show desktop buttons optional (and shown by default).[/QUOTE] Yeah, as much as I do like Windows 8, removing the start button was a terrible UI idea. Especially since nowhere does it tell you that pressing the Windows key will bring it up. Just about everyone now understands that the start button brings up a menu with all your programs and settings. Hopefully they will bring that back by default.
Wait for RC before you get too critical.
[QUOTE=Zedicus Mann;35045262]Wait for RC before you get too critical.[/QUOTE] But the point of the Beta, as made even clearer by the "Consumer Preview" name, is that it's to show what the final product will be like. From Beta to RC is nothing but bug fixes.
[QUOTE=Panda X;35045275]But the point of the Beta, as made even clearer by the "Consumer Preview" name, is that it's to show what the final product will be like. From Beta to RC is nothing but bug fixes.[/QUOTE] They're gonna have more than bugs to fix this time.
[QUOTE=Zedicus Mann;35045290]They're gonna have more than bugs to fix this time.[/QUOTE] Microsoft has always gone this way from Chicago to now. They even said that this is what 8 is going to be like. I really wouldn't get my hopes up. Anyway... What I can't work out still is why they haven't made the start screen optional. Think of it comparatively. The last time the start menu got a big change (XP) it was optional, was just a simple option in the start menu properties. And that lasted 8 whole years before it was removed. Even when they changed the taskbar in 7 they said "don't worry, if you don't like it, you can set it be like the old taskbar with small icons and labels". That was a very minor change compared to the new start screen, but still you could go back to the old version. [editline]7th March 2012[/editline] I was more exited about 8 back when those leaks were going on with the M3 builds. And now to be honest, I just don't care for it anymore. I've gone back to using 7 full time, something I otherwise wouldn't have done.
Is there anyway I can disable the start button hot corner, the stardock does a brilliant job no doubt but it is a little annoying colliding with it.
All Microsoft needs to add is a dialog to the installer, asking "Are you installing Windows 8 on a touch-enabled device?" and if the answer is checked-off as no, then it should give the user the traditional desktop, with [I]optional[/I] Metro.
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