It gave me three separate error messages. Oh well.
So what's the proper way to dual-boot Win8 RP? I tried the method I did for consumer preview. Failed. I tried a few that I found on google. Failed.
Every time I install it it goes through the "getting devices ready" stage, then goes to a black screen and stays at that black screen forever. :suicide:
Help?
I think my computer hates booting the Win8 logon UI, because I tried to install it as a custom Win7 login screen and I got the same black screen.
[url]http://www.pcworld.com/article/256650/windows_8_upgrades_cost_15_but_you_should_wait.html[/url]
[quote]
Starting June 2, anyone who buys a new Windows 7 PC will be able to upgrade to Windows 8 for $15 once the new operating system launches. The deal provides an upgrade to Windows 8 Pro from any version of Windows 7, and will be valid until January 31, 2013.
But if you have any interest in Windows 8 at all, you should skip this deal and wait for new hardware designed with the operating system in mind.
Hardware will play a big role in the allure of Windows 8. Because the OS is meant to accommodate touchscreens, many PC makers are working on laptop-tablet hybrids. Some of the devices may have detachable keyboards, like Asus' Transformer line of Android tablets, while others may be convertible, like Lenovo's Yoga or Intel's Cove Point reference design. Given the emphasis Windows 8 will place on touch controls, you should at least wait to see what these PC makers come up with.
Even if you're not interested in touchscreens, you'll still want to wait for Windows 8 laptops with trackpads designed for the OS. [B]Microsoft is working with Synaptics and other companies to build gesture control drivers for these laptops, but to work properly, they'll need edge detection. By swiping from the edges, users will be able to bring up the multitasking menu, shut down Metro-style apps, or open the charms bar. Laptops that can't do this will miss out on a big part of the Windows 8 experience.[/B]
Exceptions to this buying advice: Buyers of desktop PCs without touchscreen monitors, and people who are so disgusted by the concept of Windows 8 that they are purposely getting a Windows 7 PC to avoid the new operating system.
[/quote]
Does this sound good? Should I be waiting before buying my computer, so I can get this? Or will manufacturers start on this quickly, so I can get a computer before college?
I really hope they start making them very quickly because I need to buy a laptop before August this year..
[QUOTE=Elements;36180304][url]http://www.pcworld.com/article/256650/windows_8_upgrades_cost_15_but_you_should_wait.html[/url]
Does this sound good? Should I be waiting before buying my computer, so I can get this? Or will manufacturers start on this quickly, so I can get a computer before college?[/QUOTE]
Wait to see where it goes because the last time they said "THIS HERE THING WILL WORK WITH WINDOWS *" they got sued multiple times.
For my GPU, is there any actual difference between Windows 8 and Windows 7 drivers? I'm asking because I'm using the latter right now, and it seems to work fine.
[QUOTE=Panda X;36156952]So in 7 I can call the start menu "the aero"? Or the taskbar "the aero"? Or explorer "the aero"?
Aero, like Metro, is also a design language/concept/idea, yet we don't call anything in 7 Aero except the theme (which is actually called Aero).[/QUOTE]
Call them whatever you want to, but you're confusing Aero's unique superficial aesthetics with Metro's unique interface functionality, interface patterns and user experience.
Aero is a skin - a theme. [B]Aero adheres to the standard interface principles and conventions desktop operating systems have utilised for nearly two decades. Metro does not[/B]. Revert to Windows Basic, the interface patterns used and interface conventions you are familiar with (taskbar, start menu, windowed application paradigms) remain; to put it plainly [B]the way you navigate around Windows with Aero or Windows Basic is identical[/B].
Metro is significantly different to Aero; not just from an aesthetic standpoint. The way users launch apps, switch apps, close apps, bring up context menus and multitask... Everything is different from desktop interface paradigms. Metro is not just large Segoe UI font on a black background - if that's all you think a userface is, you are missing half the story - it's also the way a user navigates that interface. Microsoft made a big deal with Zune and Windows Phone 7 that the UI was 'chromeless', and that typography and content was king, as the interface patterns were specifically designed for touch and mobile device screen sizes. That stuff is more than just aesthetics.
tl;dr: Your comparison is bad and you should feel bad. Aero is not a design language/concept/idea (nice reaching), it's an interface style built on the same interface principles as every other desktop interface. Luna and Aero look significantly different, but they both operate with similar interface conventions: buttons, sliders, etc.
[QUOTE=BrettJay;36180823]Call them whatever you want to, but you're confusing Aero's unique superficial aesthetics with Metro's unique interface functionality, interface patterns and user experience.
Aero is a skin - a theme. [B]Aero adheres to the standard interface principles and conventions desktop operating systems have utilised for nearly two decades. Metro does not[/B]. Revert to Windows Basic, the interface patterns used and interface conventions you are familiar with (taskbar, start menu, windowed application paradigms) remain; to put it plainly [B]the way you navigate around Windows with Aero or Windows Basic is identical[/B].
Metro is significantly different to Aero; not just from an aesthetic standpoint. The way users launch apps, switch apps, close apps, bring up context menus and multitask... Everything is different from desktop interface paradigms. Metro is not just large Segoe UI font on a black background - if that's all you think a userface is, you are missing half the story - it's also the way a user navigates that interface. Microsoft made a big deal with Zune and Windows Phone 7 that the UI was 'chromeless', and that typography and content was king, as the interface patterns were specifically designed for touch and mobile device screen sizes. That stuff is more than just aesthetics.
tl;dr: Your comparison is bad and you should feel bad. Aero is not a design language/concept/idea (nice reaching), it's an interface style built on the same interface principles as every other desktop interface. Luna and Aero look significantly different, but they both operate with similar interface conventions: buttons, sliders, etc.[/QUOTE]
It seems you missed my point entirely.
The start screen is the start screen. The start screen isn't metro. Metro is a design language. Calling the start menu "Metro" because it is styled that way is incorrect.
The start menu is the start menu. The start menu isn't aero. It's styled to that of Aero. Calling the start menu "Aero" because it is styled that way is incorrect.
I'm not just thinking about the aesthetics. While it is true Aero was more of a visual thing, its functionality is just as important as to what it is in whole. You've got Aero Shake, Aero Peek, Aero Wizard, Aero Snap, Flip3D and so on that are apart of the idea of Aero. Aero was about simplicity and usability, just in a different way than Metro.
I think everyone is just underestimating Metro. Many people think it's purely for touchscreens and hard to use with mouse and keyboard.
I'm sure Microsoft has thought about this. It would just take a while to get used to it.
Also, if this [B]is[/B] going to fail, then at least they've tried and are sure it doesn't work.
This is ridiculous.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/MeqpU.png[/img]
The fact that I can't scrub through the video or enlarge it while snapped is disgusting. Not only that, but scroll bars GALORE.
The whole app-snap concept is so fucking half-assed. I wish they'd make it better before release.
Oh yeah, in the consumer preview, the music app stopped playing when I went back to the desktop. I hope that's fixed (if it wasn't intentional) now.
Ugh, this freeze issue is unbearable. Is it possible to get back to the CP, which is stored in the Windows.old folder, or should I just restore a Windows 7 backup I made
[QUOTE=Jimmy422;36183305]This is ridiculous.
The fact that I can't scrub through the video or enlarge it while snapped is disgusting. Not only that, but scroll bars GALORE.
The whole app-snap concept is so fucking half-assed. I wish they'd make it better before release.[/QUOTE]
How would you make the video larger? It would look weird if it was scaled to be taller than it is wide.
[QUOTE=Panda X;36183465]How would you make the video larger? It would look weird if it was scaled to be taller than it is wide.[/QUOTE]
I mean the ability to resize the snapped app in general. Currently it's either 1/4 of the screen or full screen. That is so frustrating. They even taunt you with a resize gripper.
On a somewhat unrelated note, possible evidence of metro-ification in Media Center resources?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/qk8Ei.png[/img]
WMC is already technically Metro as it's the first iteration of the Metro design.
But yes it would be nice if it updated to current iterations.
Horrified linux user here... [I](stfu about the OS icon, I'm at work.)[/I]
But is it true or a rumor that there is still random icons and bullshit leftovers from up to 5 previous OSes?
And that every windows update is built ontop of the previous OS?
(Is the vista gradients and areo icons left in 7 and 8 evidence of this?)
How much shit in today's current windows OS goes completely un-utilized?
And at what point will microsoft stop using bitmap based resolution locked images for UI elements and move onto vector based icons for proper scalibility?
Now with minimalism and simplicity in mind wouldn't this be ideal?
(Oh wait, there isn't a single OS out there that does this... :suicide:)
We don't really care what you use or how horrified you are. Yadda yadda Linux is great whatever.
And we do give Microsoft some flak for leaving little bits and pieces of previous OSes in their latest software but it never really makes a huge difference in terms of usability and fluidity.
I am not surprised they forget little things like that when they have to make an OS that is compatible with nearly every PC from nearly every nation.
[QUOTE=lkymky;36184783]Horrified linux user here... [I](stfu about the OS icon, I'm at work.)[/I]
But is it true or a rumor that there is still random icons and bullshit leftovers from up to 5 previous OSes?
And that every windows update is built ontop of the previous OS?
(Is the vista gradients and areo icons left in 7 and 8 evidence of this?)
How much shit in today's current windows OS goes completely un-utilized?
And at what point will microsoft stop using bitmap based resolution locked images for UI elements and move onto vector based icons for proper scalibility?
Now with minimalism and simplicity in mind wouldn't this be ideal?
(Oh wait, there isn't a single OS out there that does this... :suicide:)[/QUOTE]
Are you really just trying to start something?
[QUOTE=lkymky;36184783]And that every windows update is built ontop of the previous OS?[/QUOTE]
Yes, whereas in Linux, Linus Torvalds and the community rewrites the linux kernel from scratch every time it needs an update.
[QUOTE=lkymky;36184783]Horrified linux user here... [I](stfu about the OS icon, I'm at work.)[/I]
But is it true or a rumor that there is still random icons and bullshit leftovers from up to 5 previous OSes?[/QUOTE]
Most of leftover icons are there for compatibility, and the ones that aren't are rarely seen by the end user.
[QUOTE=lkymky;36184783]
And that every windows update is built ontop of the previous OS?[/QUOTE]
Of course every new version of Windows is built upon the old one, just like the Linux kernel. It would be a waste of time to re-write things that work well.
[QUOTE=lkymky;36184783]How much shit in today's current windows OS goes completely un-utilized?[/QUOTE]
None, I'd say. It's all for compatibility reasons - that's why there's 20 year old bits of software. Because if that isn't here, you'll have a lot of people complaining that their shit doesn't work.
[QUOTE=lkymky;36184783]
And at what point will microsoft stop using bitmap based resolution locked images for UI elements and move onto vector based icons for proper scalibility?
Now with minimalism and simplicity in mind wouldn't this be ideal?
(Oh wait, there isn't a single OS out there that does this... :suicide:)[/QUOTE]
They will switch to to vector icons when they release a Metro-only version of Windows.
Just noticed that emptying the recycle bin results in the old file transfer progress dialog coming up. So many inconsistencies!
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;36181825]I think everyone is just underestimating Metro. Many people think it's purely for touchscreens and hard to use with mouse and keyboard.
I'm sure Microsoft has thought about this. It would just take a while to get used to it.[/QUOTE]
You realize that's not even a point right? You can't say people are underestimating Metro and justify that statement by saying "Microsoft thought about it!" Of course they thought about it. They had to write the damn thing. Now the real question remains, did what they think about actually work or is it going to fail? People really need to stop using the retarded "Herr derr tey'll get used to it they jus' afraid of change11!!" line.
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;36181825]Also, if this [B]is[/B] going to fail, then at least they've tried and are sure it doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
You're saying like this is a good thing. If they fail, they might as well have never worked on Metro in the first place. It wouldn't be beneficial to them very much.
[QUOTE=jordguitar;36184974]Are you really just trying to start something?[/QUOTE]
No, I would assume a board like this would be immune to trolling of this kind.
And computers wouldn't exist today without windows (maybe)
And then there is this... [URL="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/mac_pc.png"]XKCD[/URL]
These are legitimate questions, it just really bothered me to be reading through this whole thread and seeing all of these issues with the OS that you guys point out and in comparison its a wonder that the OS functions as well as it does.
[QUOTE=lkymky;36184783]Horrified linux user here... [I](stfu about the OS icon, I'm at work.)[/I][/QUOTE]
How is this relevant to your argument?
[QUOTE=lkymky;36184783]But is it true or a rumor that there is still random icons and bullshit leftovers from up to 5 previous OSes?[/quote]
It's a beta. Yes, there's shit left over. Yes , they will fix it.
[QUOTE=lkymky;36184783]And that every windows update is built ontop of the previous OS? (Is the vista gradients and areo icons left in 7 and 8 evidence of this?)[/quote]
You mean as in the core of the OS? Yes. Vista is part of the NT family, but drastically different than XP, windows 7 is built on top of it and so is Windows 8, it's just that Win8 is far more different in the UI etc...
[QUOTE=lkymky;36184783]
How much shit in today's current windows OS goes completely un-utilized?[/quote]
One can never be quite sure, but not that it really matters. A lot of stuff from previous OS'es is left as a fallback for compatibility issues and the like. If you dive deep into config. options in windows you'll come across icons as old as windows 98.
[QUOTE=lkymky;36184783]And at what point will microsoft stop using bitmap based resolution locked images for UI elements and move onto vector based icons for proper scalibility?
Now with minimalism and simplicity in mind wouldn't this be ideal?
(Oh wait, there isn't a single OS out there that does this... :suicide:)[/quote]
This would be cool, but not so necessary just yet. (it would help a lot to make high-res screenshots though)
The way you wrote your post comes across as flammatory, hinting at every question that Windows is shit (hint: it's not). So there you go. Now go away and cry at how awful unity is or something...
[QUOTE=gparent;36185233]You realize that's not even a point right? You can't say people are underestimating Metro and justify that statement by saying "Microsoft thought about it!" Of course they thought about it. They had to write the damn thing. Now the real question remains, did what they think about actually work or is it going to fail? People really need to stop using the retarded "Herr derr tey'll get used to it they jus' afraid of change11!!" line.[/quote]
Uhm what.
[QUOTE=gparent;36185233]You're saying like this is a good thing. If they fail, they might as well have never worked on Metro in the first place. It wouldn't be beneficial to them very much.[/QUOTE]
It is a good thing. If people only dare to make things that will work out for sure, we won't try anyhing new, and thus we get stuck with what we have today, forever.
[QUOTE=lkymky;36185524]No, I would assume a board like this would be immune to trolling of this kind.
And computers wouldn't exist today without windows (maybe)
And then there is this... [URL="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/mac_pc.png"]XKCD[/URL]
These are legitimate questions, it just really bothered me to be reading through this whole thread and seeing all of these issues with the OS that you guys point out and in comparison its a wonder that the OS functions as well as it does.[/QUOTE]
Microsoft would not exist without unix. No current day OS would exist without unix. Microsoft has to cater to the dumbass down the street still on windows 95 to us who want bleeding edge so there is alot of crap that is left over from previous versions either ported over or created to do just one thing. If everything was to be remade from scratch every time there is to be a new OS version, we would probably still be on XP because the NT kernel wouldnt be used and would have to be recreated from scratch (spoilers, making a kernel that almost the entire world uses in some way is hard). Eventually hardware changes leave things behind (16 bit for instance on 64 bit OS) and that is how things get pruned.
[QUOTE=jordguitar;36185719]Microsoft would not exist without unix. No current day OS would exist without unix. Microsoft has to cater to the dumbass down the street still on windows 95 to us who want bleeding edge so there is alot of crap that is left over from previous versions either ported over or created to do just one thing. If everything was to be remade from scratch every time there is to be a new OS version, we would probably still be on XP because the NT kernel wouldnt be used and would have to be recreated from scratch (spoilers, making a kernel that almost the entire world uses in some way is hard). Eventually hardware changes leave things behind (16 bit for instance on 64 bit OS) and that is how things get pruned.[/QUOTE]
So its the windows application developers to blame? (I'm still not trolling, this is a serious question)
[QUOTE=gparent;36185233]You realize that's not even a point right? You can't say people are underestimating Metro and justify that statement by saying "Microsoft thought about it!" Of course they thought about it. They had to write the damn thing. Now the real question remains, did what they think about actually work or is it going to fail? People really need to stop using the retarded "Herr derr tey'll get used to it they jus' afraid of change11!!" line.
[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much the best argument you can make, saying "Try it out, you'll probably like it" is the best way to see whether someone likes the UI. What else should we use? All the objective data that Microsoft utilized when they made the damn thing? I presume that can't be used either as "People aren't computers". And while you're retarded alteration of the argument looks retarded, look at the changes Garry makes to Facepunch - they're not as radical, but people go in a fucking frenzy over every single one of them, then settles down. I'm not saying this UI is for everybody, but you're as dumb as the people that might spew "Herr derr tey'll get used to it they jus' afraid of change11!!".
Huh - RP's flat buttons and progress bars with highlight look just like Watercolor.
[QUOTE=lkymky;36185802]So its the windows application developers to blame? (I'm still not trolling, this is a serious question)[/QUOTE]
end users and businesses that refuse to pay someone to make a program that only runs on windows 3.5 and is vital to making things work to run on windows server 2008.
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