• Windows 8
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[QUOTE=Lazor;36229035]how is it half-arsed? it's basically the same as it was before. i doubt they'll kill the windowed environment anytime soon.[/QUOTE] Its the primary UI "apparently" yet its stuffed away inside the metro UI like an afterthought for the sake of compatibility. Its clear Microsoft eventually want a metro only interface, its set up to be safer, easier and more consistant than the conventional interface. They are even influencing developers with vb express's new limitations. They want a clean slate after the convoluted shitfest windows has slowly been turned into and I don't blame them. Frankly any developer that overrides a windows default theme needs backhanding.
[QUOTE=Panda X;36227940] And if you use the other power options button (the > next to the main button) then it's the same. [/QUOTE] The what?
[QUOTE=Jimmy422;36229309]The what?[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/95r9zO.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Panda X;36229460][IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/95r9zO.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Oh, okay. I thought you were talking about 8.
Is it ok to upgrade to the Release preview and replace 7? Or should I wait until it 8 comes out.
[QUOTE=tanktan38;36230561]Is it ok to upgrade to the Release preview and replace 7? Or should I wait until it 8 comes out.[/QUOTE] i'd highly advise installing it on a separate partition first. there are some driver issues causing freezes
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36229172]Its the primary UI "apparently" yet its stuffed away inside the metro UI like an afterthought for the sake of compatibility. Its clear Microsoft eventually want a metro only interface, its set up to be safer, easier and more consistant than the conventional interface. They are even influencing developers with vb express's new limitations. They want a clean slate after the convoluted shitfest windows has slowly been turned into and I don't blame them. Frankly any developer that overrides a windows default theme needs backhanding.[/QUOTE] I don't really think Microsoft wants to completely get rid of the desktop environment. At least not in the near future. They introduced some very smart desktop organizing features with 7, and I doubt that they're ready to throw them out.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36231913]I don't really think Microsoft wants to completely get rid of the desktop environment. At least not in the near future. They introduced some very smart desktop organizing features with 7, and I doubt that they're ready to throw them out.[/QUOTE] But do you think they will eventually do it, I mean quite far down the line. I mean if the windows store picks up an impressive selection of programs.
I just don't understand why people think finding the shutdown button is one of the biggest faults in Win8. At first, it only takes you once to find it. Second, has anyone looked at videos from when people first started to use the Windows 95 - Windows 7 era UI? Most couldn't even find the start button. They just put the shutdown button in another menu.
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36232045]But do you think they will eventually do it, I mean quite far down the line. I mean if the windows store picks up an impressive selection of programs.[/QUOTE] I don't think so. I think they're completely clear on that the new environment isn't as functional with mouse and keyboard (notice that I'm not talking about the start menu, but all the new stuff). Sure the start menu works rather well in my opinion, but the new way to manage applications (only two snapped at once, and they either occupy 1/4 or 3/4 of the screen) isn't practical with mouse and keybord. The multitasking management doesn't work well with mouse and keyboard either. No matter how the new environment is received, I don't think they'll drop the desktop environment. At least not before touchscreens are absolute standard, and mouse and keyboard something you buy for games - like a joystick, or racewheel.
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;36232171]I just don't understand why people think finding the shutdown button is one of the biggest faults in Win8. At first, it only takes you once to find it. Second, has anyone looked at videos from when people first started to use the Windows 95 - Windows 7 era UI? Most couldn't even find the start button. They just put the shutdown button in another menu.[/QUOTE] To me, it's because it's hidden in the settings in the first place, like something the user shouldn't be using very often. This is done with laptops and tablets in mind - you usually wouldn't shut down, but would put them to sleep by closing the lid or pressing a button.
I've still got the Metro apps crashing problem, but I found the error in the Event Viewer. [URL]http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-performance/metro-apps-crash-on-startup-help/f83d6eba-1918-4688-924d-54c80d34585c[/URL] [QUOTE]I've managed to find the problem and the error in the Event Viewer. I still cannot solve it. Here's the information I found by opening the Mail app and letting it crash: Log Name: Microsoft-Windows-TWinUI/Operational Source: Microsoft-Windows-Immersive-Shell Date: 07/06/2012 15.54.17 Event ID: 5961 Task Category: (5961) Level: Error Keywords: User: VEE-PC\Vittorio Computer: vee-pc Description: Activation of the app microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps_8wekyb3d8bbwe!Microsoft.WindowsLive.Mail for the Windows.Launch contract failed with error: The app didn't start.. Event Xml: <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event"> <System> <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Immersive-Shell" Guid="{315A8872-923E-4EA2-9889-33CD4754BF64}" /> <EventID>5961</EventID> <Version>0</Version> <Level>2</Level> <Task>5961</Task> <Opcode>0</Opcode> <Keywords>0x4000000000000000</Keywords> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2012-06-07T13:54:17.472416600Z" /> <EventRecordID>6524</EventRecordID> <Correlation /> <Execution ProcessID="3008" ThreadID="6756" /> <Channel>Microsoft-Windows-TWinUI/Operational</Channel> <Computer>vee-pc</Computer> <Security UserID="S-1-5-21-2753614643-3522538917-4071044258-1001" /> </System> <EventData> <Data Name="AppId">microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps_8wekyb3d8bbwe!Microsoft.WindowsLive.Mail</Data> <Data Name="ContractId">Windows.Launch</Data> <Data Name="ErrorCode">-2144927141</Data> </EventData> </Event>[/QUOTE] Anyone has any idea? Found even more stuff - this is another error that appears on Metro app crashing. [QUOTE]Log Name: Application Source: ESENT Date: 07/06/2012 16.01.00 Event ID: 490 Task Category: General Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: vee-pc Description: svchost (1376) SRUJet: An attempt to open the file "C:\Windows\system32\SRU\SRU.log" for read / write access failed with system error 5 (0x00000005): "Access is denied. ". The open file operation will fail with error -1032 (0xfffffbf8). Event Xml: <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event"> <System> <Provider Name="ESENT" /> <EventID Qualifiers="0">490</EventID> <Level>2</Level> <Task>1</Task> <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2012-06-07T14:01:00.000000000Z" /> <EventRecordID>11854</EventRecordID> <Channel>Application</Channel> <Computer>vee-pc</Computer> <Security /> </System> <EventData> <Data>svchost</Data> <Data>1376</Data> <Data>SRUJet: </Data> <Data>C:\Windows\system32\SRU\SRU.log</Data> <Data>-1032 (0xfffffbf8)</Data> <Data>5 (0x00000005)</Data> <Data>Access is denied. </Data> </EventData> </Event> [/QUOTE]
That is the most descriptive error I've ever heard "Failed with error: The app didn't start."
[QUOTE=Jimmy422;36233881]That is the most descriptive error I've ever heard "Failed with error: The app didn't start."[/QUOTE] Or "ERROR: " and nothing else
[QUOTE=SupahVee;36233217]I've still got the Metro apps crashing problem, but I found the error in the Event Viewer. [URL]http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-performance/metro-apps-crash-on-startup-help/f83d6eba-1918-4688-924d-54c80d34585c[/URL] Anyone has any idea? Found even more stuff - this is another error that appears on Metro app crashing.[/QUOTE] The second error makes me think that your metro environment or whatever is writing and starting the apps doesn't have user access. Either user permission are mangled and the stuff is owned by someone else or there's some other user issues.
[QUOTE=Jimmy422;36233881]That is the most descriptive error I've ever heard "Failed with error: The app didn't start."[/QUOTE] I've had one that said "The app didn't start in the allocated time"
[url]http://blog.chromium.org/2012/06/try-chrome-in-metro-mode.html[/url] Finally! [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] I updated to a dev release, and all I got was a a new 'new tab' icon: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Za7Lh.png[/IMG] No metro yet! [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] Also, Windows Photo Viewer has messed up colors for some reason: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/cmb3f.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Ezhik;36236109]Also, Windows Photo Viewer has messed up colors for some reason:[/QUOTE] Back in Windows 7, white appeared a bit red-ish, but [B]only[/B] in WPV and [B]only[/B] on my 2nd screen. [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] And only in a previous installation as it's fine now with no altered color settings.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;36236109] Also, Windows Photo Viewer has messed up colors for some reason: [/QUOTE] Control Panel > Color Management > Advanced Make sure everything is set to "System default"
[url]http://www.lynda.com/Windows-tutorials/Windows-Consumer-Preview-First-Look/100467-2.html[/url] Video tutorials because why not
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;36236448]Control Panel > Color Management > Advanced Make sure everything is set to "System default"[/QUOTE] All default.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;36236109][url]http://blog.chromium.org/2012/06/try-chrome-in-metro-mode.html[/url] Finally! [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] I updated to a dev release, and all I got was a a new 'new tab' icon: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Za7Lh.png[/IMG] No metro yet! [editline]7th June 2012[/editline] Also, Windows Photo Viewer has messed up colors for some reason: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/cmb3f.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Photo viewer will most likely do gamma correction on photographs etc. Is this a PNG image? PNG's sometimes specify Gamma values which are interpreted by some viewers and not by others.
Google are actually going to abide by the metro guidelines properly aren't they? or are they just gonna cram a standard full screen chrome into there?
[QUOTE=Ezhik;36236109][url]http://blog.chromium.org/2012/06/try-chrome-in-metro-mode.html[/url] Finally! [/QUOTE] Neat. But it's just a fullscreen chrome.
[QUOTE=Panda X;36237333]Neat. But it's just a fullscreen chrome.[/QUOTE] I don't really see a problem with that.
A [I]better[/I] full-screen Chrome
[QUOTE=Ezhik;36237727]I don't really see a problem with that.[/QUOTE] Thats because you are used to developers doing whatever the hell they want when it comes to windows UI's, metro or GTFO.
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36237774]Thats because you are used to developers doing whatever the hell they want when it comes to windows UI's, metro or GTFO.[/QUOTE] If every browser tried to use metro, they would all look the same.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;36237807]If every browser tried to use metro, they would all look the same.[/QUOTE] Not really. Compare Firefox against IE. [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/OodrjZ.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/4INvUz.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/6t4EDS.png[/IMG]
I hope they have something like "Metro interface" in their useragent so sites can provide a Metro-like UI.
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