• Windows 8
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[QUOTE=P320;36348771]In a world where 8GB is the "desktop standard", nobody really gives a fuck. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE] The desktop standard is closer to 2-4 gigs for an everyday user, I believe. Also, you should care because the only way you can go with that thinking is ridiculous resource usage and the user having to compensate for it. Just because a developer can't fix something like a memory leak doesn't mean I should be the one who fixes it by giving it more power. That's like saying hey, there's a gas leak in the car - we better load it up with more gas more often to compensate. Someone's going to have to fix the car at some point.
If you go into any place that sells retail computers, they come with 4GB to 8GB. The last time I saw a 2GB machine was back in 2008. Besides, you can get 16GB of RAM for under a hundred bucks, so there's really no reason NOT to splurge a little on RAM.
[QUOTE=P320;36351620]If you go into any place that sells retail computers, they come with 4GB to 8GB. The last time I saw a 2GB machine was back in 2008. Besides, you can get 16GB of RAM for under a hundred bucks, so there's really no reason NOT to splurge a little on RAM.[/QUOTE] Where I live there's still plenty of people with Windows XP computers with less than 2GB of RAM.
[QUOTE=bassie12;36351664]Where I live there's still plenty of people with Windows XP computers with less than 2GB of RAM.[/QUOTE] Then they should upgrade if they want 8. Windows 8 is quite a bit newer than XP and it's not designed for older computers. You can't expect a brand new OS to run on a computer designed for a 10 year old OS.
[QUOTE=P320;36351620]If you go into any place that sells retail computers, they come with 4GB to 8GB. The last time I saw a 2GB machine was back in 2008. Besides, you can get 16GB of RAM for under a hundred bucks, so there's really no reason NOT to splurge a little on RAM.[/QUOTE] Besides the obvious flaw in your argument in that the [I]Metro[/I] applications will often be run on devices with more like 1 or 2 GB of RAM (tablets). It's hugely naive to think everybody has 8GB of memory in their computer, Take a look at the Steam Hardware survey. [URL]http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey[/URL] Just under 70% of users (data from May 2012, not out of date) have 4GB or less in their computer. And these are supposed to be hardware stats for people who play games, not the average consumer.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;36352588]Then they should upgrade. Windows 8 is quite a bit newer than XP and it's not designed for older computers.[/QUOTE] They won't because their XP machines do everything they want. Giving them no real reason of upgrading. Not to mention money being an issue as well. Although sooner or later they'll end up doing it because IE8 gets supported less by every day.
[QUOTE=bassie12;36352633]They won't because their XP machines do everything they want. Giving them no real reason of upgrading. Not to mention money being an issue as well.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I edited my post as you were writing that.
what kind of dumb argument is this. oh no windows apps aren't and never have been hyper-optimized therefore nobody with less than 2GB of RAM can use them? lmao
My friend is building a gaming computer soon. Should he shell out for Windows 7, or is Windows 8 stable enough to do gaming? It'll be a pretty top-of-the-line computer. Also, it has a G15 already, will that be a problem? It was on the consumer preview (It froze all the time until we stopped using the keyboard).
can't you use windows 7 for a total of like 120 days without needing a key(by rearming 3 times) i'd say do that and buy windows 8 when it comes out, assuming he's ok with the interface
[QUOTE=ManningQB18;36354046]My friend is building a gaming computer soon. Should he shell out for Windows 7, or is Windows 8 stable enough to do gaming? It'll be a pretty top-of-the-line computer. Also, it has a G15 already, will that be a problem? It was on the consumer preview (It froze all the time until we stopped using the keyboard).[/QUOTE] I'm using Windows 8 on my gaming rig and it works really well. Can't really say much about compatibility since I only really play CS:S nowadays, but that runs really well so all source games should too. Pretty sure most other games will work fine too!
honestly i'd recommend just staying with windows 8 if the release preview works on his computer. if not i'd recommend doing what i said before.
[QUOTE=ManningQB18;36354046]My friend is building a gaming computer soon. Should he shell out for Windows 7, or is Windows 8 stable enough to do gaming? It'll be a pretty top-of-the-line computer. Also, it has a G15 already, will that be a problem? It was on the consumer preview (It froze all the time until we stopped using the keyboard).[/QUOTE] 8 is definitely stable enough but more games work with 7, the only game I found that I couldn't run on 8 is L.A. Noire.
[QUOTE=Leather Belt;36354577]8 is definitely stable enough but more games work with 7, the only game I found that I couldn't run on 8 is L.A. Noire.[/QUOTE] Alright, thanks
[QUOTE=ManningQB18;36354046]My friend is building a gaming computer soon. Should he shell out for Windows 7, or is Windows 8 stable enough to do gaming? It'll be a pretty top-of-the-line computer. Also, it has a G15 already, will that be a problem? It was on the consumer preview (It froze all the time until we stopped using the keyboard).[/QUOTE] I've been using Windows 8 on my sexy ass gaming computer. I've had no real issues with it so far save for metro apps closing for no reason every now and then. In fact, I've noticed that games seem to work better for me on Windows 8. Mirror's edge used to be a bit jittery whenever the PhysX destruction stuff happened. Now it runs much smoother.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;36350653] That's like saying hey, there's a gas leak in the car - we better load it up with more gas more often to compensate. Someone's going to have to fix the car at some point.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/is/img23/5748/iiaca4jr.gif[/IMG]
i can't get over how stupid that argument on the last page was i literally ran Windows 8 on 2GB of RAM for like 6 months with no problems. what the hell kind of programs do you think desktop users with a mere 2GB of RAM are running?
[QUOTE=Lazor;36355129]i can't get over how stupid that argument on the last page was i literally ran Windows 8 on 2GB of RAM for like 6 months with no problems. what the hell kind of programs do you think desktop users with a mere 2GB of RAM are running?[/QUOTE] plus win8 only consumes 281 mb of ram, around half of what windows 7 uses. I've installed windows 7 in machines designed for XP and it runs ok. Now, imagine them running windows 8...
[QUOTE=flagdog;36355188]plus win8 only consumes 281 mb of ram, around half of what windows 7 uses. I've installed windows 7 in machines designed for XP and it runs ok. Now, imagine them running windows 8...[/QUOTE] As long as the hardware has proper drivers, probably fairly well.
[QUOTE=flagdog;36355188]plus win8 only consumes 281 mb of ram, around half of what windows 7 uses. I've installed windows 7 in machines designed for XP and it runs ok. Now, imagine them running windows 8...[/QUOTE] Windows has only gotten progressively better performance wise since Vista.
[QUOTE=flagdog;36355188]plus win8 only consumes 281 mb of ram[/QUOTE] Depends really how much RAM you have. I have 16GB and fresh it uses almost 2GB out of the box.
[QUOTE=Panda X;36358255]Depends really how much RAM you have. I have 16GB and fresh it uses almost 2GB out of the box.[/QUOTE] Apparently they ramped up the free memory usage even though people who don't know what they're talking about will bitch about it. Maybe it's related. EDIT: To make myself perfectly clear, I heavily disagree with the people in this thread who say we shouldn't care about memory usage. As a programmer it is insulting to the profession IMHO when someone decides to forgo doing his job in order to save time at the sacrifice of the users' patience and money (buy new hardware to make the same shit run just as fast as before, what a travesty).
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;36355041]I've been using Windows 8 on my sexy ass gaming computer. I've had no real issues with it so far save for metro apps closing for no reason every now and then. In fact, I've noticed that games seem to work better for me on Windows 8. Mirror's edge used to be a bit jittery whenever the PhysX destruction stuff happened. Now it runs much smoother.[/QUOTE] Do you mean the immense slowdown whenever anything physics-related happened? Because that was caused by the .dll's they packed in with it.
[QUOTE=P320;36348771]In a world where 8GB is the "desktop standard", nobody really gives a fuck. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE] Except the desktop standard is dominated by office PC's and laptops which are between 2-4 GB and which very often still use 32 bit versions of windows. >4GB systems are still the minority. To be honest generally speaking even those 4GB users don't experience too many limitations. But damn I've got an old XP desktop on 512 MB that's used as an ad hoc family pc and it's a pain to find software that won't send it into a creeping halt. Software that should't be more demanding than stuff from five years ago.
Oh wow, I just discovered two awesome hotkeys: Win+X and Win+I. Win+I opens the Settings charm, and Win+X pops up an awesome menu for quick access to things like Command Prompt, Control Panel, Device Manager, Event Viewer, etc (it even has an option for Elevated Command Prompt). EDIT: [URL="http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/windowsexperience/archive/2012/03/08/getting-around-in-windows-8.aspx"]This article[/URL] is a must-read.
Do we get like a discount when they release it later this year?
[QUOTE=Lazor;36355129]i can't get over how stupid that argument on the last page was i literally ran Windows 8 on 2GB of RAM for like 6 months with no problems. what the hell kind of programs do you think desktop users with a mere 2GB of RAM are running?[/QUOTE] Way to miss the point. [QUOTE=P320;36348771]In a world where 8GB is the "desktop standard", nobody really gives a fuck. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE] Things he's assuming: [I]1. "The desktop standard is 8GB".[/I] It's already been proven wrong many different times within this thread. [I]2. "The desktop standard has reached an extent where optimization isn't a big issue."[/I] That's a ridiculous statement. I don't feel like letting developers dictate how much power I put into my PC because their laziness or poor development. I don't see how anyone can disagree with this. If it can be developed to work more efficiently, do it. When I wrote this, this wasn't even in response to anything in particular. I wasn't even saying Windows 8 was an example. I was simply disagreeing with the point he was trying to make. Things you're assuming: 1. [I]"wauterboi is dissing on Windows 8."[/I] See above. 2. [I]"People with 2GB of RAM obviously don't use anything resource intensive and should immediately be labeled a certain type of user."[/I] Self-explanatory on why I disagree with this. I used to do a ton with those 2GB my laptop gave me. Only recently did I get the chance to grab hold of a computer with 8GB of RAM and a processor that doesn't weep when I try to play games or work on music. Besides this newly obtained saint among the computers I've ever owned, I've always got by on stuff that wasn't the best by any means, and I can show you a ton of people that do the same whether it be an age constraint, financial constraint, or just plain old not having access to better-serving parts. And because there's a majority of people who use >2GB computers, some consideration in that direction isn't going to kill anyone. It's very unfair to think that everyone who doesn't have the parts doesn't have the intentions of doing as much as they can with what they have. Yes, to an extent it can be ridiculous (I don't assume Battlefield 3 running an old beat up laptop is a sane/possible move), but when you can optimize your work it helps more people and makes more people happy. And just because you accomplished your needs on 2GB of RAM doesn't mean the rest of the world will. 3. [I]"Because I accomplished my needs on 2GB of RAM must mean that every other computer user should be able to do the same because all computer users are like me and I clearly represent a mass amount of computer users."[/I] No, no you don't.
I think optimization would be the best thing that the next Windows release could do. Optimize. Everything. Get it running on Gates' 64kb, if possible. Also, make Metro just a little less annoying and cumbersome. That would work too.
[QUOTE=woolio1;36363401]I think optimization would be the best thing that the next Windows release could do. Optimize. Everything. Get it running on Gates' 64kb, if possible. Also, make Metro just a little less annoying and cumbersome. That would work too.[/QUOTE] rewrite from scratch in hand-tuned assembly
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;36363440]rewrite from scratch in hand-tuned assembly[/QUOTE] Assembly... That's machine code, isn't it?
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