• Windows 8
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I like what they did with the RC update. I might be lated but there are some pretty cool things I see that have changed. Like a lot less shininess. Also smaller charms! Cool.
I think the only computer perfect for windows 8 is this [img]http://helpware.net/xfer/pics/hpTouchSmart2.jpg[/img] touchscreen computers
lmao look at that big giant list of things i'm assuming that i'm not assuming the vast majority of users with 2GB of RAM get along just fine. you haven't even proven that this "RAM Optimization" problem is an actual thing that's recent and is reasonably inexpensive to fix considering that 2GB RAM users is just going to continue shrinking.
[QUOTE=woolio1;36363401]I think optimization would be the best thing that the next Windows release could do. Optimize. Everything. Get it running on Gates' [b]640kb[/b], if possible. Also, make Metro just a little less annoying and cumbersome. That would work too.[/QUOTE] FTFY, that was the amount of conventional memory all PC's had without expansion.
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36366829]FTFY, that was the amount of conventional memory all PC's had without expansion.[/QUOTE] I think he meant to make a reference to a quote related to needing 640kb of memory, a quote wrongly attributed to Bill Gates. [QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;36363440]rewrite from scratch in hand-tuned assembly[/QUOTE] People really underestimate today's compilers. They'll beat many people who think they can "hand-tune" assembly. [QUOTE=woolio1;36363453]Assembly... That's machine code, isn't it?[/QUOTE] Almost. Machine code is what you get when you take assembly and assemble it (with an assembler). Assembly is basically a set of mnemonics (instruction set) to generate that machine code. Someone feel free to tear my post apart if you actually know this better than me. I'll re-edit it if I remember :)
Isn't assembly just very very low level code? You write in each stage in the execution, like "load value d into register A" or whatever (of course not real code), instead of just declaring a variable in C and assigning a value to it? I'm by no means an expert at this, but I think it's just a language with less complex instructions - that way you can optimise the shit out of stuff, but it takes a helluva lot of time.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36368669]Isn't assembly just very very low level code? You write in each stage in the execution, like "load value d into register A" or whatever (of course not real code), instead of just declaring a variable in C and assigning a value to it? I'm by no means an expert at this, but I think it's just a language with less complex instructions - that way you can optimise the shit out of stuff, but it takes a helluva lot of time.[/QUOTE] That's exactly it, its the lowest form of instructions you can give to a processor. You don't have layers upon layers of interpreters on top doing all the hard work.
[QUOTE=Lazor;36364852]lmao look at that big giant list of things i'm assuming that i'm not assuming the vast majority of users with 2GB of RAM get along just fine. you haven't even proven that this "RAM Optimization" problem is an actual thing that's recent and is reasonably inexpensive to fix considering that 2GB RAM users is just going to continue shrinking.[/QUOTE] Again, I'm not talking about "RAM Optimization", but cleaning up in general and being more efficient. I think you're taking my words as an attack on current developers when I'm speaking hypothetically and demonstrating an idea. And that idea is if something can run better on the parts people currently have, do it. This is in contrast to what the other guy was saying, which as, "Hey, we've got better parts so who cares!" Now, I'm not saying Windows 8 should run on 512 MB of RAM with flying colors - we're going to need better parts over time. However, don't speed it up because you suck as a developer. Those assumptions I mentioned were pulled from what you said. "i literally ran Windows 8 on 2GB of RAM for like 6 months with no problems" doesn't really mean anything because you are really only one kind of user that can only represent one kind of user. "what the hell kind of programs do you think desktop users with a mere 2GB of RAM are running?" insinuates that you think people with 2GB of RAM don't run anything resource-hungry and everyone with 2GB of RAM should be labeled one kind of user with only certain needs. And the fact that you mentioned that my argument was stupid because you ran Windows 8 can only mean you thought I was attacking Windows 8. Any other reason would be nonsensical. Just a rephrase since you are missing the point: [b]If you are a developer that can make your work more efficient, there's literally no reason why you shouldn't outside of you not letting yourself. Even though some people have bigger and better beasts of computers, a majority of people have computers aimed in the other direction. Don't dictate what parts a user should need just because you don't care, suck, or are lazy. If you can't because it isn't possible and/or insane, you did your job and everyone's happy.[/b] And like I said, there [b]are[/b] a lot of people that struggle with lower-end parts for the reasons I stated and you not acknowledging that is blatant ignorance. That is no attack on Windows, or any programs in particular, and I'm not saying everyone has these problems. The thing is, the people that do exist. There you go. And I'm pretty much done with this argument. If you disagree with what I've stated in bold there's something wrong with you.
[quote]If you are a developer that can make your program more efficient, there's literally no reason why you shouldn't outside of you not letting yourself.[/quote] thanks for proving you have no idea how development works
[QUOTE=wauterboi;36371363]If you disagree with what I've stated in bold there's something wrong with you.[/QUOTE] thats not how you argue
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;36374243]thats not how you argue[/QUOTE] That's because I'm not looking to argue.
Oi where is the upgrade offer being offered? Is it on the Microsoft homepage or...?
[url]http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-rtm-build-to-be-8600-new-images-surface[/url] That updated regedit icon is too good to be true.
[QUOTE=Lazor;36371386]thanks for proving you have no idea how development works[/QUOTE] Maybe you should read the rest of the bolded part - this is exactly how development works (or should work) in the majority of high quality software shops. You optimize based on a need, you take reasonable steps to ensure your program is lean (basic profiling, noticing the biggest performance hits and tackling them). You don't rewrite your entire program to get a loop 1s faster when it is called once in the entire program because as he said, that's [B]insane[/B]. (it could also be [B]impossible[/B] if that delay depends on an external factor). Again, just because a lot of incompetent developers cannot write efficient code doesn't mean every single user of their software has to suffer for it. It's just an excuse to cover up poor development habits.
[QUOTE=Zet;36382297][url]http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-rtm-build-to-be-8600-new-images-surface[/url] That updated regedit icon is too good to be true.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.tweakcube.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;36383266]That was ridiculous quick, Release preview was released less than a month ago and they already have the final build done[/QUOTE] Those aren't shots of 8600. [QUOTE]the RTM build should be completed by August[/QUOTE]
Anyone mind recommending me a tablet where i could install window 8?
[QUOTE=werewolf0020;36384933]Anyone mind recommending me a tablet where i could install window 8?[/QUOTE] I think some of the Acer tablets have unlocked BIOSs. Try there.
like this perhaps? [url]http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Iconia-A200-10g16u-10-1-Inch-Screen/dp/B006XGCQ2U/ref=sr_du_2_map?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1340049921&sr=1-2[/url]
How do you even install Windows 8 on a tablet?
Ok so i have a tp-link tl wn722n wireless adapter and it doesnt want to work on windows 8. Any sugestions?
[QUOTE=P320;36386899]How do you even install Windows 8 on a tablet?[/QUOTE] USB Flash or DVD drive.
[QUOTE=bassie12;36387047]USB Flash or DVD drive.[/QUOTE] Arrrg. What security measures has Microsoft included on this USB OS feature to help prevent piracy? :v:
anyone remember how to fix amd drivers? had the problem again when I jumped to release preview
[QUOTE=P320;36386899]How do you even install Windows 8 on a tablet?[/QUOTE] Probably the same way you install Windows 7 on a tablet. [editline]18th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MikuMikuCookie;36387454]Arrrg. What security measures has Microsoft included on this USB OS feature to help prevent piracy? :v:[/QUOTE] Secure Boot Protection.
[QUOTE=werewolf0020;36386205]like this perhaps? [url]http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Iconia-A200-10g16u-10-1-Inch-Screen/dp/B006XGCQ2U/ref=sr_du_2_map?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1340049921&sr=1-2[/url][/QUOTE] No, that has an ARM CPU. You need an x86. Windows 8 is being developed for ARM, but it won't be released as an installable package (although some people might develop ROMs)
For the few of you who's not seeing this, get in here: [url]http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-live-blog-tablet-announcement/[/url]
"The New Microsoft Surface"? Oh dear... Have they killed off their other surface tech for these tablets? I hope not... I loved how they handled item detection on Surface. [editline]19th June 2012[/editline] Okay... I now understand fully why Microsoft wanted to launch a touch-based operating system... Because this is their first foray into producing and selling an entire, through-and-through, Microsoft computer. I UNDERSTAND NOW! And I think I like it.
[QUOTE=P320;36386899]How do you even install Windows 8 on a tablet?[/QUOTE] You can't install WinRT (WOA) on a tablet since it's for OEMs only, but for an x86 a flash drive will suffice. Just "burn" the ISO to a flash drive with Microsoft's Windows 7 USB/DVD download tool.
Is Windows RT supposed to be the ARM version of Windows 8?
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