[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;36457848]he just shouldn't expect to be welcomed with love and open arms.[/QUOTE]
No, he should be. Maybe it's because I'm past my teens, but I find that attitude downright stupid. If there were a "Windows 8 SUCKS ASS MEGATHREAD" I'd agree with you because then the complaints could go there, but it'd turn into a thread with way more bitching than substantial facts. At least with one thread for both sides, everyone can put out points and discuss them.
[QUOTE=gparent;36459168]No, he should be. Maybe it's because I'm past my teens, but I find that attitude downright stupid. If there were a "Windows 8 SUCKS ASS MEGATHREAD" I'd agree with you because then the complaints could go there, but it'd turn into a thread with way more bitching than substantial facts. At least with one thread for both sides, everyone can put out points and discuss them.[/QUOTE]
Read the rest of my post more closely. I'm not saying I think it's okay. I'm just saying it's how things are.
You don't go to the Garry's Mod section just to say how much you hate Garry's Mod and not expect to get kicked out and called a troll.
Is anyone else having problems with Steam? It crashes for me every time I try to join a chat.
EDIT: Nevermind, it didn't have anything to do with Windows 8. It was because I tried to copy old .gcf files to a new installation instead of using the proper backup/restore system. It seems weird that game files would have anything to do with basic client functions though.
EDIT: Oh, maybe it was winui.gcf causing the problem, because some of my UI was corrupted too. Why are UI files stored in a GCF?
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;36454453]Care to elaborate? The desktop and everything that came with it is still there minus the start button. Metro itself doesn't have much configuration (which is in no way a bad thing) but the desktop is still very much intact.
Haha, what? This sort of thing is only gonna happen if you're using the apps that do it. Your browser isn't downloading the whole internet all the time. Only what you're on and when you're using it. The People app only downloads twitter updates and facebook updates when you run it. The news apps don't have to be installed and, besides, RRS feeds are fucking tiny to download. Either you're just nitpicking or you're still using a dial-up connection. If you're so hellbent on hating it, I'm pretty sure you can uninstall any of the built in apps, in true Windows fashion.
If you're really so concerned about how much data apps are eating, the new task manager shows you pretty bluntly and you can uninstall any of them using more than you want.
You haven't used it, have you. Metro works amazingly well with a mouse. Microsoft should never have said anything about it being optimized for touch because people who haven't used it and have only heard bullshit like that just think, "oh no it's made for touch, mice won't work with it, Microsoft are EVEEEL!!!"
Metro will only be using resources if you have metro apps open. The OS itself is less resource eating than Windows 7 in many ways. [url=http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/windows-8-release-preview-vs-windows-7-benchmarked/20610?pg=2&tag=content;siu-container]And, hey, look at this! Something to back up my claims.[/url] You should give it a try, otherwise everything you say looks unfounded.
I agree, the new logo is bullshit though, you have to respect what they tried to do. They wanted to take what they had before and make it relevant to metro and they succeeded. It just looks boring.
Haha I knew you hadn't used it. It makes a bit more sense that you jumped to all these bullshit conclusions about it not being usable.
And yet so many of the worlds businesses, professionals, education facilities, etc. are still using Windows XP. [url=http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/12/microsoft-says-74-percent-of-work-pcs-still-use-windows-xp-exte/]See.[/url] It's an old article but it's still very much relevant. If anyone dropped support for it, the world didn't seem to notice. There's even a downgrade service.
[url=https://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1C1CHNU_enGB336GB336&sugexp=chrome,mod=6&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=windows+xp#rlz=1C1CHNU_enGB336GB336&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D6&q=windows%20xp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=shop&source=og&sa=N&tab=wf&psj=1&ei=_rblT6OnJcWj0QWCwr3oCA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=4e9e80732daa8d93&biw=1280&bih=653]And you can still get Windows XP easily.[/url] You're pulling this out of your ass.
Most businesses will probably continue to stick with older versions as they do today. Metro itself is not incompatible with business and it has just as much potential as Windows 7 had.
That's nothing new. Pretty much any major website is gonna be shoving ads down your throat. Loads of free Android apps make their money using massive ads. At least this one actually looks nice. Again, if you don't like it, don't install the app. I'm not saying I'm okay with it. It's just not unique to Microsoft.
Holy shit why did I put so much time into that...
[editline]23rd June 2012[/editline]
Again, the desktop and explorer are very much intact. You really don't seem to know enough about Windows 8 to argue against it.
The reason people think you're a troll is because you just jumped into a thread about Windows 8 just to bitch about it. Not a clever move.
Again, you can continue using Windows 7 if you're really that against Windows 8.
The old start menu would be pretty much irrelevant in Windows 8. You can just press the start button and start typing and it searches through your applications much quicker than ever before. Or did you forget that your keyboard has a start button?
Macs are the only computers without a start menu and are the only viable alternative to Windows. /sarcasm
Yeah, which was and still is very much available. Where are you getting otherwise from?[/QUOTE]
Ok, I gave it a go, don't like it, just as I didn't Windows phone 7. I am trying very hard to be optimistic, but it's just so difficult.
I'm sure you and your friends love the interface, but I'm not keen on it being on my PC. I am grateful they left the 'run' and 'explorer' windows in. I don't feel one way or the other about the new task manager, but I hate the fact that it comes up simplified, I'd keep it advanced all the time if I knew how. I do like the Surface tablet and according your links Windows 8 won't slow down my PC, so I suppose that's good. The metro interface just doesn't work for me. The Large metro programs don't seem to make a lot of sense on a PC, they take up the entire seen don't seem to offer anything that the normal desktop interface doesn't have, makes sense on a tablet, not on my PC. I mean I don't really understand the point of this camera program. So why are they putting metro on the PC versions? If they just left metro out, I'd have no issue with it, apart from the old aero looking better than the new one.
I don't so much care that you don't agree with me, but you have to see things my point of view, to me it's as if they've taken away the start menu and replaced it with Microsoft bob.
All I'm trying to do is voice the fact that I'm quite annoyed by this metro interface and it's going to be a problems for quite a few people besides me. It seems to be trying to make me spend money I don't want to spend, they put a shop icon right there, and when I click music it wants me to buy music rather than take me to a 'my music' folder and it's like having an MSN homepage on my PC with tablet and phone programs, it's as if someone installed a windows phone 7 UI on my PC. When I run a normal program as oppose to a metro program, it just gives me the desktop it doesn't appear over the metro as you'd expect it to.
I'd gladly stay with Windows 7 for the foreseeable future but I know that eventually Windows 7 will lose support for programs and become obsolete just as Windows 2000 pro did in 2003 when adobe only supported Windows XP (only reason I didn't upgrade was because I was poor at the time and had 384mb of ram, so couldn't afford to upgrade).
I'm looking at a Ubuntu with Wine as an alternative to Windows, but I don't know how well that'll work for my other programs. Mac seems to be the most stable option, as much as I hate mac. I'm trying to optimistic, but as I said, it's a hard thing to do.
I wish you understood how upsetting Windows 8 is going to be for me. It feels like the beginning of the end of the PC :suicide: , at least it will be for me when programs no longer support Windows 7.
[editline]24th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;36459718]Read the rest of my post more closely. I'm not saying I think it's okay. I'm just saying it's how things are.
You don't go to the Garry's Mod section just to say how much you hate Garry's Mod and not expect to get kicked out and called a troll.[/QUOTE]
I do get the idea that you're being a bit aggressive with your responses CrumbleShake it's almost as if you're angry that I hate Windows 8, but whatever.
I'm not flaming trolling or whatever I'm just trying to get people to understand why I'm horrified by the idea of changing to an interface to one I clearly don't like. It's like trying force me to take a detour from the most direct route because the scenery is nicer. I understand this is more of an optimistic thread, but I do want to be heard. If I were trolling I'd say; "Windows 8 is shit and you're all retards for liking it" , I'm not saying that, I'm just saying it's going to be a problem for me and I'd like Microsoft to fix , I don't care if you like it or hate it.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;36464428]I do get the idea that you're being a bit aggressive with your responses CrumbleShake it's almost as if you're angry that I hate Windows 8, but whatever.
I'm not flaming trolling or whatever I'm just trying to get people to understand why I'm horrified by the idea of changing to an interface to one I clearly don't like. It's like trying force me to take a detour from the most direct route because the scenery is nicer. I understand this is more of an optimistic thread, but I do want to be heard. If I were trolling I'd say; "Windows 8 is shit and you're all retards for liking it" , I'm not saying that, I'm just saying it's going to be a problem for me and I'd like Microsoft to fix , I don't care if you like it or hate it.[/QUOTE]
When you came into this thread you were being pretty aggressive about Windows 8.
[quote]I can not express the raw hatred I have for Microsoft right now [/quote]
If someone tells me they hate something they should embrace, I just feel obligated to do my best to convince them otherwise. I totally respect that you have your own opinion, I was just trying to point out that coming here to voice them to people who share opposite opinions is asking for an argument.
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as aggressive. If that's damaging my argument, I'll keep this calm.
What Microsoft are trying to do with Metro is make an interface anyone can use. As strange as it seems to us, most people can't use their PCs. People don't understand file hierarchies, they fill their desktop with shortcuts because they don't know how to search, they think their shortcuts are entire programs and when they're deleted from their desktop, they're gone forever. Metro is designed for people like that. It's designed for the new generation of PC users who turn their computer on, run their web browser and little more. You see, these same people know how to use their tablets and their smart phones happily. [b]Why not let them have that same confidence with their desktop? [/b]The start screen is simplified because it's only as complicated as it needs to be. When using it, it's quick to get used to some of the rules to using it - using the charms menu, right click to bring up the app context menu, etc. - and once these have been learned, one can confidently use any Metro app because it has the consistency the desktop lacks. [b]All of the power stuff you had before is still there, it's just hidden out of sight for the sake of these people.[/b]
That doesn't mean Windows 8 isn't any good for us. The desktop is completely intact but with many improvements. For example, the massively improved task manager, quicker boot times, less processing power use by the OS itself. See, [b]the desktop is still there mainly for professionals.[/b] For anyone who wants to do some serious multitasking like programmers, office workers, people like you using Adobe suite, you would go to the desktop. For example I use it for programming so I can have Visual Studios open in one window, a webpage open in another for looking up code snippets as well as space for a debugging window. A task like that would be ridiculous in the Metro paradigm because that's not what it's built for and Microsoft knows that well. But like most people in the world, [b]I don't just use my PC for tasks like that.[/b] I also want to wind down, browse the web, have conversation with someone, maybe read up on some news in one of the news apps, sometimes even sit back and play some Fruit Ninja (which is a mad sensation to play with a mouse) and not have to worry about everything else. I know what I'm doing with it, of course, I just prefer to use something that just works. Basically Windows 8 has got two worlds because it satisfies two very different needs. [b]The desktop is for professional tasks, Metro is for everyday tasks.[/b]
Yes it has its little problems. I totally agree about the music app being bullshit. It should be laid out like the pictures app where you have pictures from all of your different services totally separate, rather than starting up as a giant ad for Microsoft's own service. I'm sure Xbox Music is great but I'm already using Spotify and I want to be able to access it from the Music app in the same way I can access Flickr from the pictures app. It's not going to be perfect but it's a lot closer to an OS that targets everyone than any of its competition.
See, I think your problem is [b]you're looking at metro as a replacement for the whole OS. It's definitely not.[/b] It's just for the little tasks that people want to be able to just do without having to worry about anything going on underneath. I would suggest, if you hate it so much, that you live in the desktop for your whole Windows experience but you'd be missing out on something great.
Microsoft needed to make Windows 8. As more and more people are going to have tablets, they're going to start to wonder why their PCs aren't as easy to use. They'll slowly move from traditional form factors and soon everyone but power users and gamers will have desktop PCs. That's why Windows 8 is made to work well with touch and it's why Windows 8 is made to be simple and easy to use on a desktop PC. They're attacking this problem no two different fronts so that if the general public does make the move to tablets, they can get a Windows 8 one and also, if they'll be catered for if they stay with desktops.
And, just to point out, that's not all you could do if you wanted to troll. A really good troll would subtly make someone write 5 paragraphs for them...
[QUOTE=P320;36457165]Since we're all dogging on Windows 8, my beefs with Windows 8 are:
-No option to disable the Metro Start Screen
-I can no longer control the spacing between my desktop icons, restricting my desktop use.
-I cannot set custom .ico files for program shortcuts as custom tiles.
-Wallpapers, no matter the file type, get compressed to look like a .JPG saved at half its quality. Windows 7/XP/Vista never did this.
-Release Preview has all the apps removed that came with the Consumer Preview... (You get me hooked on a pinball demo, then just take it away? Faggots...)[/QUOTE]
Windows 8 compress a jpg to a jpg? O.o
[QUOTE=P320;36457228]Well it's not noticeable to me until Windows 8. Windows 8 REALLY makes 90% of my wallpapers look like shit. :/[/QUOTE]
Have you tried saving them as bitmap first? I seem to remember something about Windows leaving them alone, but I could be wrong.
[QUOTE=P320;36457228]Well it's not noticeable to me until Windows 8. Windows 8 REALLY makes 90% of my wallpapers look like shit. :/[/QUOTE]
I'd attribute to that fact that this version of Windows 8 is free and they want to buy it when it comes out, so they take out some of the functionality so people don't try to crack the preview version. Just a theory.
Does Metro fill the whole screen? And if so, can it be customized so it wouldn't? And if it does fill the screen, does it also fill my second monitor as well as the primary one?
[QUOTE=Dragory;36467136]Does Metro fill the whole screen? And if so, can it be customized so it wouldn't? And if it does fill the screen, does it also fill my second monitor as well as the primary one?[/QUOTE]
Yes metro fill the whole screen. The second monitor shows the desktop by default.
[QUOTE=mblunk;36467003]Have you tried saving them as bitmap first? I seem to remember something about Windows leaving them alone, but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
IIRC JPG at 100% quality is best option to set as wallpaper so if you have png and save it as 100% quality JPG it should be okay.
[QUOTE=xmariusx;36467158]Yes metro fill the whole screen. The second monitor shows the desktop by default.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! I've been thinking of trying W8 out, but I'm a bit worried about drivers... any idea if nVidia's drivers are compatible with W8?
[QUOTE=Dragory;36467384]Thanks! I've been thinking of trying W8 out, but I'm a bit worried about drivers... any idea if nVidia's drivers are compatible with W8?[/QUOTE]
They are indeed!
I'm pretty sure most Windows 7 programs are compatible with 8. I've had no compatibility problems so far.
In fact, it has a lot of drivers built in that weren't in 7. When I put Windows 7 on my PC, I had to get ethernet drivers which was a real hassle since I didn't have a disk drive. Windows 8 already had those drivers.
[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;36466823]When you came into this thread you were being pretty aggressive about Windows 8.
If someone tells me they hate something they should embrace, I just feel obligated to do my best to convince them otherwise. I totally respect that you have your own opinion, I was just trying to point out that coming here to voice them to people who share opposite opinions is asking for an argument.
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as aggressive. If that's damaging my argument, I'll keep this calm.
What Microsoft are trying to do with Metro is make an interface anyone can use. As strange as it seems to us, most people can't use their PCs. People don't understand file hierarchies, they fill their desktop with shortcuts because they don't know how to search, they think their shortcuts are entire programs and when they're deleted from their desktop, they're gone forever. Metro is designed for people like that. It's designed for the new generation of PC users who turn their computer on, run their web browser and little more. You see, these same people know how to use their tablets and their smart phones happily. [b]Why not let them have that same confidence with their desktop? [/b]The start screen is simplified because it's only as complicated as it needs to be. When using it, it's quick to get used to some of the rules to using it - using the charms menu, right click to bring up the app context menu, etc. - and once these have been learned, one can confidently use any Metro app because it has the consistency the desktop lacks. [b]All of the power stuff you had before is still there, it's just hidden out of sight for the sake of these people.[/b]
That doesn't mean Windows 8 isn't any good for us. The desktop is completely intact but with many improvements. For example, the massively improved task manager, quicker boot times, less processing power use by the OS itself. See, [b]the desktop is still there mainly for professionals.[/b] For anyone who wants to do some serious multitasking like programmers, office workers, people like you using Adobe suite, you would go to the desktop. For example I use it for programming so I can have Visual Basic open in one window, a webpage open in another for looking up code snippets as well as space for a debugging window. A task like that would be ridiculous in the Metro paradigm because that's not what it's built for and Microsoft knows that well. But like most people in the world, [b]I don't just use my PC for tasks like that.[/b] I also want to wind down, browse the web, have conversation with someone, maybe read up on some news in one of the news apps, sometimes even sit back and play some Fruit Ninja (which is a mad sensation to play with a mouse) and not have to worry about everything else. I know what I'm doing with it, of course, I just prefer to use something that just works. Basically Windows 8 has got two worlds because it satisfies two very different needs. [b]The desktop is for professional tasks, Metro is for everyday tasks.[/b]
Yes it has its little problems. I totally agree about the music app being bullshit. It should be laid out like the pictures app where you have pictures from all of your different services totally separate, rather than starting up as a giant ad for Microsoft's own service. I'm sure Xbox Music is great but I'm already using Spotify and I want to be able to access it from the Music app in the same way I can access Flickr from the pictures app. It's not going to be perfect but it's a lot closer to an OS that targets everyone than any of its competition.
See, I think your problem is [b]you're looking at metro as a replacement for the whole OS. It's definitely not.[/b] It's just for the little tasks that people want to be able to just do without having to worry about anything going on underneath. I would suggest, if you hate it so much, that you live in the desktop for your whole Windows experience but you'd be missing out on something great.
Microsoft needed to make Windows 8. As more and more people are going to have tablets, they're going to start to wonder why their PCs aren't as easy to use. They'll slowly move from traditional form factors and soon everyone but power users and gamers will have desktop PCs. That's why Windows 8 is made to work well with touch and it's why Windows 8 is made to be simple and easy to use on a desktop PC. They're attacking this problem no two different fronts so that if the general public does make the move to tablets, they can get a Windows 8 one and also, if they'll be catered for if they stay with desktops.
And, just to point out, that's not all you could do if you wanted to troll. A really good troll would subtly make someone write 5 paragraphs for them...[/QUOTE] Yeah, my aggressive wording was more about me being annoyed at Microsoft, than attacking supporters of Windows 8.
Look I love the Surface, it's about time for tablet with pen and Photoshop, (I mean the ipad is more of a playback device). I think that's where the Metro/Desktop Hybrid shines, I can run stylus (pen) orientated programs like Illustrator, Flash studio and Zbrush.
I'm going to suggest some improvements, I think the metro would work better if it had a taskbar that shrunk when it was idle and enlarged when it was used for switching and if metro programs looked the same on this taskbar as normal programs it might work. I think the metro boxes should look stylised and they need to make most of the boxes smaller ( even hexagons would look better at this stage) and metro should be more of a desktop background than an odd switch. If you could mix the metro programs with the normal ones like have them side by side, it could work for me. It reminds of that weird UI on 80s/90s Star trek .
I've been hearing rumours that media centre isn't included and you'll have to pay it which is a shame as I use it to record TV.
Well that's my rant. I'm not going to upgrade as I still hate the metro, but hopefully they'll fix it by the release and if not, my next upgrade will be to Mac or Linux. Sorry Microsoft, your vision isn't mine.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;36452654]Why is Microsoft using the word "app" it's an Apple word? I mean why not call them programs? "App" just sounds wrong, especially for a windows user.[/QUOTE]
App is shorthand for application and has been that ever since applications have existed. It's just grown to be used for smaller application these days. And it was on the mobile scene for ages. You rarely spoke of java programs or applications. It was apps and games.
Unless you believe apple must have invented the word and it's usage.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;36467563]App is shorthand for application and has been that ever since applications have existed. It's just grown to be used for smaller application these days. And it was on the mobile scene for ages. You rarely spoke of java programs or applications. It was apps and games.
Unless you believe apple must have invented the word and it's usage.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe Apple invented the word, but I've heard they were the first to use it to refer to an executable file. And Microsoft used 'program' which comes from programming, which seems more universal. I mean you don't create an application by applicating or applying.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;36467852]I don't believe Apple invented the word, but I've heard they were the first to use it to refer to an executable file. And Microsoft used 'program' which comes from programming, which seems more universal. I mean you don't create an application by applicating or applying.[/QUOTE]
Well, "App" is just Apple's extension for executables. As far as I understand.
You'll be able to dualboot Ubuntu on secure boot systems now: [url]http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-secure-boot-plans-for-ubuntu-linux-revealed[/url]
For anyone that has the issue where music/skype stops and then explorer/the rest of the computer freezes, uninstall google chrome. I didn't have the issue until I installed it. Took it off and I haven't frozen since.
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The final RTM build of Microsoft Windows 8 will be the build 8500!
Any of the builds in win8_RTM branch may receive the status of final RTM build and become available to OEMs i.e. later to us, users, and also the customers, but it must first undergo the Sign-Off process.
SIGN-OFF of the 'gold' RTM code of Microsoft Windows 8 will happen, as WZOR reported earlier, by 12TH OF JULY!
[QUOTE=P320;36476549][B]IMPORTANT - IMPORTANT - IMPORTANT
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The final RTM build of Microsoft Windows 8 will be the build 8500!
Any of the builds in win8_RTM branch may receive the status of final RTM build and become available to OEMs i.e. later to us, users, and also the customers, but it must first undergo the Sign-Off process.
SIGN-OFF of the 'gold' RTM code of Microsoft Windows 8 will happen, as WZOR reported earlier, by 12TH OF JULY![/QUOTE]
I wish they'd give it another month to polish it. Get rid of all the Aero icons and whatnot. I can't imagine it's going to be that different by the 12th.
Just like all Windows OSes, it'll be good by SP1.
[QUOTE=Jimmy422;36476309]For anyone that has the issue where music/skype stops and then explorer/the rest of the computer freezes, uninstall google chrome. I didn't have the issue until I installed it. Took it off and I haven't frozen since.[/QUOTE]
I'm still using Chrome and haven't had the system freeze for a few days now.
[QUOTE=Panda X;36477443]I'm still using Chrome and haven't had the system freeze for a few days now.[/QUOTE]
what chrome version are you on?
21 Dev
I've never had Windows 8 freeze up on me. Especially not Chrome. What kind of hardware configs are prone to freezing?
well as long the start menu extensions work in the final release i will be happy
i mean seriously with out it how the fuck im supposed to even browse my PC
[QUOTE=werewolf0020;36481927]well as long the start menu extensions work in the final release i will be happy
i mean seriously with out it how the fuck im supposed to even browse my PC[/QUOTE]
type 'explorer' on the start screen.
One thing I don't understand is why are they including a 32-bit version? I mean aren't most PCs 64-bit capable these days?
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;36483648]One thing I don't understand is why are they including a 32-bit version? I mean aren't [B]most [/B]PCs 64-bit capable these days?[/QUOTE]
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