CIPWTTKT&GC v0X12 (v18): Makol can't Computer Very Good - Hardware & Software

I'm about half way through the game. I've enjoyed it so far. I want to try the coop though.

Can anyone spare like $0.50 in paypal?

Dammit. Network Security Club. Again. I get some basic stuff done (finally set httpd to start on boot after forgetting to do it forever, put actual passwords on everything instead of "password", tried to set up sendmail but had no idea what to do), and needed something to do. So I decide, since I'm graduating soon and will no longer be in charge of the club, that I should get stuff tidied up so whoever comes in next can have a good start. I did that with a few of the new guys who have no idea what they're doing but still like being in the club, while the other guy tries to get DHCP working properly on the router. So we get the piles of useless SCSI hard drives neatly stacked on a shelf, get all the cables organized, toss out a lot of stuff that's *completely* useless, like the scraps of Ethernet cable. And the balloon (wtf?). And in the end, it looks... usable. It's still a pile of shit, but it's neatly-ordered shit. One of the things we found was a stack of study guides, which happened to have the teacher's name on it. Said teacher also happens to be the club sponsor, and he also happens to have not been to a club meeting in several months. So, on my way out, I drop by his office to drop off his stuff. We start chatting, he mentions that he's gotten us some new equipment. Two new 72U racks, two brand-new 2800-series Cisco routers (the *only* brand-new stuff we've ever had), and a rack-mount power strip. And that he's ordering us some brand-new servers. So then we spend another two hours setting all that stuff up. FUCKING HELL WHY COULDN'T THIS HAVE BEEN DONE *BEFORE* I LEFT THE SCHOOL?!?

[QUOTE=gman003-main;35322752]-snip-[/QUOTE] Our school would never have stuff like that. [editline]28th March 2012[/editline] We're talking about a school that won't let you plug ANYTHING in. If you have homework on a pendrive the teacher needs to plug it in.

[QUOTE=Wooops: 404;35322855]Our school would never have stuff like that. [editline]28th March 2012[/editline] We're talking about a school that won't let you plug ANYTHING in. If you have homework on a pendrive the teacher needs to plug it in.[/QUOTE] My school did this for a while, then teachers got lazy and didn't care enough anymore, people never bring in games on them or anything anyway, think the worst I've seen was someone who had about 3 porn wallpapers on there in a folder that the teacher didn't notice despite it being displayed on the interactive whiteboard. I've never really found much use for USB sticks, if I carry one it's usually just the type that you slot microSD's into, take the 16gb card out of my phone and I'm good to go. If it's homework I just keep it on Dropbox and email it to the teacher if I forget it.

[QUOTE=Brt5470;35322123]I loved RAGE. One of my favourite games of 2011. I haven't finished it though.[/QUOTE] By far one of the most underrated games of the year. I need to finish it, I unfortunately only have it for PS3. The texture pop on it is horrendous but the game itself is brilliant.

Also: I started reading an [url=http://www.nitrd.gov/pubs/nsa/sta.pdf]old, 2005-era report[/url] from the NSA, researching the feasibility of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSFQ]Rapid Single-Flux Quantum Computing[/url]. [b][u][i]HOLY FUCK WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THIS?[/i][/u][/b] * 50GHz expected by first usable model, [b]expected to reach 100GHz+[/b] * Basic RSFQ circuits have been [u]tested[/u] at 770GHz * 100,000x [i]less[/i] power usage than CMOS * Can be made with existing technology and methodology * Isn't a massive change from the programmer's view, unlike qubit computers - [b]you could run C on it[/b] * RSFQ-based SRAM would be able to match clock speeds of the processor * Expected price tag to invent the entire field: [b]$20M and five years[/b] Only downsides: * Because a signal at 100GHz would only go 2mm in one clock cycle, they expect processor pipelines about 50 stages long (compare: 31 stages for Prescott, 20 stages for early Pentium IV, 14 for SB, 10 for PIII, etc) * Oh, and you need to cool the thing with liquid nitrogen. Not because it makes a shit-ton of heat, but because you have to make it superconducting and the highest-temperature superconductor stops superconducting at 133K OK, so barring a sudden discovery of a 300K superconductor, they're not going to get it into a laptop. Or an affordable desktop. And probably not commodity servers. But dude, a 0.05THz processor? For $20M? We have missiles that cost more than that, per shot. We can afford $4M a year to INVENT NEW MICROPROCESSORS.

[QUOTE=reverno;35323059]My school did this for a while, then teachers got lazy and didn't care enough anymore, people never bring in games on them or anything anyway, think the worst I've seen was someone who had about 3 porn wallpapers on there in a folder that the teacher didn't notice despite it being displayed on the interactive whiteboard. I've never really found much use for USB sticks, if I carry one it's usually just the type that you slot microSD's into, take the 16gb card out of my phone and I'm good to go. If it's homework I just keep it on Dropbox and email it to the teacher if I forget it.[/QUOTE] Execpt that anything on the internet is blocked untill they unblock it. [editline]28th March 2012[/editline] Dropbox being one of said things. [editline]28th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=gman003-main;35323342]Also: -snip-[/QUOTE] Would be useful in space. [editline]28th March 2012[/editline] How is that dumb(I presume you mean space), you could have the processor in space, keeping it cold, sending information via satellite, it could work.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;35323342]Also: I started reading an [url=http://www.nitrd.gov/pubs/nsa/sta.pdf]old, 2005-era report[/url] from the NSA, researching the feasibility of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSFQ]Rapid Single-Flux Quantum Computing[/url]. [b][u][i]HOLY FUCK WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THIS?[/i][/u][/b] * 50GHz expected by first usable model, [b]expected to reach 100GHz+[/b] * Basic RSFQ circuits have been [u]tested[/u] at 770GHz * 100,000x [i]less[/i] power usage than CMOS * Can be made with existing technology and methodology * Isn't a massive change from the programmer's view, unlike qubit computers - [b]you could run C on it[/b] * RSFQ-based SRAM would be able to match clock speeds of the processor * Expected price tag to invent the entire field: [b]$20M and five years[/b] Only downsides: * Because a signal at 100GHz would only go 2mm in one clock cycle, they expect processor pipelines about 50 stages long (compare: 31 stages for Prescott, 20 stages for early Pentium IV, 14 for SB, 10 for PIII, etc) * Oh, and you need to cool the thing with liquid nitrogen. Not because it makes a shit-ton of heat, but because you have to make it superconducting and the highest-temperature superconductor stops superconducting at 133K OK, so barring a sudden discovery of a 300K superconductor, they're not going to get it into a laptop. Or an affordable desktop. And probably not commodity servers. But dude, a 0.05THz processor? For $20M? We have missiles that cost more than that, per shot. We can afford $4M a year to INVENT NEW MICROPROCESSORS.[/QUOTE] I'd say because of graphene. The research has been going on for longer and right now is easily more feasible (Fucking IBM. Why do they have to be so awesome?), Not to mention cheaper.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;35322752]Dammit. We start chatting, he mentions that he's gotten us some new equipment. Two new 72U racks, two brand-new 2800-series Cisco routers (the *only* brand-new stuff we've ever had), and a rack-mount power strip. And that he's ordering us some brand-new servers. So then we spend another two hours setting all that stuff up. FUCKING HELL WHY COULDN'T THIS HAVE BEEN DONE *BEFORE* I LEFT THE SCHOOL?!?[/QUOTE] 72U racks, are you sure? What? There are no 2800 series "routers" there are 2800 series switches though. Switch when you can, Route when you must. Oh yeah, I'm getting a few 10GbE NIC's and switches to test out. It has 24x1GbE RJ45 ports, and I believe 2 SFP+ 10GbE ethernet. But man, I can't find the proper way to test them in house. I only have 24 gigs of ram on my own workstation, so that won't be enough to sustain a decent sized transfer with a RAMDISK. Unless I do something like dev > null, but then I'd have to install linux. Nonetheless, the other PC's in my house are only 4-8GB DDR2.

Oh and the fact it's quantum computing. The clock speeds might be hella faster but quantum computing is fucking weird. It's going to be beast at certain workloads, but it's about 10x slower at maths. The area of Quantum computing is a risky one. There's a Big Think video on it, but I can't link to it right now because the college wifi blocks youtube.

[url=http://novalight.net/]oh my god[/url]

[QUOTE=pure.Joseph;35323523]72U racks, are you sure? What? There are no 2800 series "routers" there are 2800 series switches though. Switch when you can, Route when you must. Oh yeah, I'm getting a few 10GbE NIC's and switches to test out. It has 24x1GbE RJ45 ports, and I believe 2 SFP+ 10GbE ethernet. But man, I can't find the proper way to test them in house. I only have 24 gigs of ram on my own workstation, so that won't be enough to sustain a decent sized transfer with a RAMDISK. Unless I do something like dev > null, but then I'd have to install linux. Nonetheless, the other PC's in my house are only 4-8GB DDR2.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ, I can't wait to work with you.

[QUOTE=wlzshroom;35323545][url=http://novalight.net/]oh my god[/url][/QUOTE] Best website ever. [IMG]http://puu.sh/mIyH[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Wooops: 404;35323392]Would be useful in space. [editline]28th March 2012[/editline] How is that dumb(I presume you mean space), you could have the processor in space, keeping it cold, sending information via satellite, it could work.[/QUOTE] Space is actually really bad at cooling things. Yeah, space itself is only 3K. In the shade, at least - direct sunlight's another story. But it's very hard to get *rid* of heat once you have it - there's no air to convect heat, and nothing to conduct heat, so all you're left with is radiation. You can't dissipate that much heat, and even if you made no heat yourself, you've got the sun shining on you at least half the time.

There's a reason why most of the ISS truss is heat exchangers.

[QUOTE=wingless;35323544]Oh and the fact it's quantum computing. The clock speeds might be hella faster but quantum computing is fucking weird. It's going to be beast at certain workloads, but it's about 10x slower at maths. The area of Quantum computing is a risky one. There's a Big Think video on it, but I can't link to it right now because the college wifi blocks youtube.[/QUOTE] No, it's actually not quantum computing, not in the normal sense. It's basically replacing silicon-based transistors with superconductor-based Josephson junctions. You could, at least in theory, recreate the design of a CMOS processor using RSFQ and have it work exactly the same. That's what I meant by "isn't a massive change from the programmer's view" - it's basically just a very fast processor, just like CMOS is just really fast transistor-transistor logic, which is just really fast vacuum tubes.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;35323647]No, it's actually not quantum computing, not in the normal sense. It's basically replacing silicon-based transistors with superconductor-based Josephson junctions. You could, at least in theory, recreate the design of a CMOS processor using RSFQ and have it work exactly the same. That's what I meant by "isn't a massive change from the programmer's view" - it's basically just a very fast processor, just like CMOS is just really fast transistor-transistor logic, which is just really fast vacuum tubes.[/QUOTE] There has to be some kind of fatal flaw with it, or something else more promising that's stopping us from using it. I refuse to believe something this awesome would be left alone without reason.

[QUOTE=pure.Joseph;35323523]72U racks, are you sure? What? There are no 2800 series "routers" there are 2800 series switches though. Switch when you can, Route when you must. Oh yeah, I'm getting a few 10GbE NIC's and switches to test out. It has 24x1GbE RJ45 ports, and I believe 2 SFP+ 10GbE ethernet. But man, I can't find the proper way to test them in house. I only have 24 gigs of ram on my own workstation, so that won't be enough to sustain a decent sized transfer with a RAMDISK. Unless I do something like dev > null, but then I'd have to install linux. Nonetheless, the other PC's in my house are only 4-8GB DDR2.[/QUOTE] Sorry, meant to say 42U. And [url=http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps5854/index.html]there are 2800 series routers[/url] - from the looks of it, we got two 2801s. [editline]27th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=wingless;35323675]There has to be some kind of fatal flaw with it, or something else more promising that's stopping us from using it. I refuse to believe something this awesome would be left alone without reason.[/QUOTE] Well, the paper I read was commissioned by the NSA, back in 2005. It laid out a plan to have a usable 50GHz system by 2010. Maybe... Maybe they already *did*. They're the fucking NSA man, they can hide shit. Like the bodies. Of the people who found out. Oh shiiiiiiit

[QUOTE=gman003-main;35323701]Sorry, meant to say 42U. And [url=http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps5854/index.html]there are 2800 series routers[/url] - from the looks of it, we got two 2801s. [editline]27th March 2012[/editline] Well, the paper I read was commissioned by the NSA, back in 2005. It laid out a plan to have a usable 50GHz system by 2010. Maybe... Maybe they already *did*. They're the fucking NSA man, they can hide shit. Like the bodies. Of the people who found out. Oh shiiiiiiit[/QUOTE] The NSA Are fucking weird. They're the reason behind the Cray XMT. A Superthreaded CPU, 1 core, 128 Threads, 500Mhz. Which is pretty much useless for like every workload, apparently it's good for datamining, though. Still fucking weird.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;35323599]Space is actually really bad at cooling things. Yeah, space itself is only 3K. In the shade, at least - direct sunlight's another story. But it's very hard to get *rid* of heat once you have it - there's no air to convect heat, and nothing to conduct heat, so all you're left with is radiation. You can't dissipate that much heat, and even if you made no heat yourself, you've got the sun shining on you at least half the time.[/QUOTE] I know but I still think it would be easier find a way to cool something in space that make a super conducter that works at 300k.

[QUOTE=Wooops: 404;35323809]I know but I still think it would be easier find a way to cool something in space that make a super conducter that works at 300k.[/QUOTE] How? Again, there's no way of moving that heat around. It's just going to sit there and rise exponentially. [editline]28th March 2012[/editline] Also, one of the perks Gman was talking about would be how relatively cheap it was compared to other things. Sending things to space is fucking expensive, building things in space is even worse. Want to calculate how much it would cost to send yourself to space? Your weight in gold. Literally.

Wow. EVGA is just pumping out versions of the GTX 680 like no one's business.

[QUOTE=wingless;35323840]How? Again, there's no way of moving that heat around. It's just going to sit there and rise exponentially. [editline]28th March 2012[/editline] Also, one of the perks Gman was talking about would be how relatively cheap it was compared to other things. Sending things to space is fucking expensive, building things in space is even worse. Want to calculate how much it would cost to send yourself to space? Your weight in gold. Literally.[/QUOTE] The way I understand it superconductivity works because their is little vibration from heat to disrupt it(correct me if I'm wrong), so creating a high heat super conductor would be next to impossible. Cooling something in space, yes, fucking hard and expensive, but still easier than breaking the laws of physics.

I think I found one of the main problems with that RSFQ processor. Large latency in memory and deeper pipelines in the chip and only a small chip area reachable in a single cycle, so you'll be running multiple cycles for the whole chip.

[B]*WOOSH*[/B] That's the sound of everything you guys are talking about flying right over my head.

[QUOTE=Dr. Deeps;35323936][B]*WOOSH*[/B] That's the sound of everything you guys are talking about flying right over my head.[/QUOTE] [highlight]*FWOOOOOOOOSH*[/highlight] [b]THAT[/b] is the sound of [b]FLUSHING[/b].

Grr. I think I'm going to force someone to turn the Wifi Access point on the modem in the IT rooms and stick a WPA key on it. I'm sick of this censored connection on my laptop, I can't get to my VPS or fucking dropbox.

The wifi wasn't working at my school for a few hours, and this dumb girl said "it's still working on my phone," not stopping to think that her data plan had nothing to do with the state of the school's connection.

[QUOTE=Splarg!;35324078]The wifi wasn't working at my school for a few hours, and this dumb girl said "it's still working on my phone," not stopping to think that her data plan had nothing to do with the state of the school's connection.[/QUOTE] I should really re-enable data on my phone plan. Last time I managed to rack up $100 on my phone bill, but I realized I shouldn't go to Facepunch where people don't exactly resize things, they just thumb 5MB png's. All I really want it for now is SSH into my VPS. [editline]28th March 2012[/editline] Oh great. My town won't be getting the fucking NBN, not for a few extra years. Great, I finally get the promise of a stable and fast fucking internet connection and I have to wait longer. Fuck, I'm fuming.