Hello, so I've been working at McDonald's for a few weeks (Don't judge me, no one else was hiring atm) and I am planning to build around a $700 PC, the CPU I had originally choose was the i3 2100, but now I'm debating, should I work another week or two, and get the 2500k instead? Would it be worth it in the future?
Try and aim for Ivy bridge or wait even abit more for haswell (4th gen). Ivy bridge is only like 10 dollar with a approx 10-15% improved performance over their previous gen counterpart (not overclocked). While haswell has a lot of rumors that it's a new coming or something.
Really? All the things that I've heard is that Haswell is also a relatively small performance upgrade, in the ballpark of 10%, with most of the focus being put on power efficiency. Also, the new 1150 socket. Oh, and a much improved IGP, as well.
Don't quote me on any of that except the new socket, though. I could be wrong.
[QUOTE=Handmade;39418445]Really? All the things that I've heard is that Haswell is also a relatively small performance upgrade, in the ballpark of 10%, with most of the focus being put on power efficiency. Also, the new 1150 socket. Oh, and a much improved IGP, as well.
Don't quote me on any of that except the new socket, though. I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
Intel works on a Tick-tock system meaning that it changes the speed on one generation and then power efficiency and that kind of thing on the next. going from first-gen to second, they made the speed of the CPU much fast, but second to third-gen they mostly just increased the power efficiency and that kind of thing. Going by this system, you should get a much larger jump in performance between 3rd and 4th-gen than between 2nd and 3rd-gen.
I'd personally just get a 2500k and then maybe overclock it a bit, but if you don't mind spending a bit more money, it's likely Haswell will greatly increase performance.
[QUOTE=striker453;39417398]Try and aim for Ivy bridge or wait even abit more for haswell (4th gen). Ivy bridge is only like 10 dollar with a approx 10-15% improved performance over their previous gen counterpart (not overclocked). While haswell has a lot of rumors that it's a new coming or something.[/QUOTE]
I guess I'll settle for the 3570k then, but will it work on the Z68 Chipset
[QUOTE=striker453;39417398]Try and aim for Ivy bridge or wait even abit more for haswell (4th gen). Ivy bridge is only like 10 dollar with a approx 10-15% improved performance over their previous gen counterpart (not overclocked). While haswell has a lot of rumors that it's a new coming or something.[/QUOTE]
Haswell has been confirmed by Intel that it's arriving in March of 2013.
[editline]30th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=StevenW;39420501]I guess I'll settle for the 3570k then, but will it work on the Z68 Chipset[/QUOTE]
The currently ivy bridge will work on a Z68 Chipset, no idea about Haswell. I wouldn't see why they would change the chip set up though. So, expect Haswell to be on a Z68 aswell.
[QUOTE=Sigs367;39419552]Intel works on a Tick-tock system meaning that it changes the speed on one generation and then power efficiency and that kind of thing on the next. going from first-gen to second, they made the speed of the CPU much fast, but second to third-gen they mostly just increased the power efficiency and that kind of thing. Going by this system, you should get a much larger jump in performance between 3rd and 4th-gen than between 2nd and 3rd-gen.
I'd personally just get a 2500k and then maybe overclock it a bit, but if you don't mind spending a bit more money, it's likely Haswell will greatly increase performance.[/QUOTE]
My understanding of Intel's tick-tock system was that one was new architecture, and the other one was a die shrink or otherwise improvement on the *same* architecture, and that performance increases wasn't restricted to either tick or tock.
[QUOTE=StevenW;39420501]I guess I'll settle for the 3570k then, but will it work on the Z68 Chipset[/QUOTE]
It will but the motherboard may not come with the latest BIOS that enables support for it.
I have heard that Haswell will be released with a new chipset as well. Most motherboards should support it with a BIOS update, though.
Also, Handmade, you are correct, the system changes architecture and then die size. My understanding is that the smaller die size does increase performance, but not at all as much as the new architectures do. I was under the impression that die sizes give you like a 10-15% increase, whereas the new architectures typically increase performance by about 40-50%. I could be mistaken though.
[QUOTE=bloser;39421175]The currently ivy bridge will work on a Z68 Chipset, no idea about Haswell. I wouldn't see why they would change the chip set up though. So, expect Haswell to be on a Z68 aswell.[/QUOTE]
Uh, Haswell will be on a completely different socket. It's not going to be compatible with anything currently on the market.
[QUOTE=bohb;39432293]Uh, Haswell will be on a completely different socket. It's not going to be compatible with anything currently on the market.[/QUOTE]
weren't they going to keep producing certain Haswell CPUs on one of the current sockets though? I thought I heard something like that.
[QUOTE=Sigs367;39438583]weren't they going to[B][I] keep producing[/I][/B] certain Haswell CPUs on one of the current sockets though? I thought I heard something like that.[/QUOTE]
what?
Anyways, no - it's all on the 1150 socket.
They didn't even keep the same socket between Ivy and Sandy. :v: 1156 vs 1155
[QUOTE=Del91;39443433]They didn't even keep the same socket between Ivy and Sandy. :v: 1156 vs 1155[/QUOTE]
Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge both used Socket 1155.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155[/url]
What? What the fuck Intel, why would you even bother changing the socket then?
[QUOTE=Del91;39443433]They didn't even keep the same socket between Ivy and Sandy. :v: 1156 vs 1155[/QUOTE]
Lynnfield was LGA1156. Sandy and Ivy are LGA1155.
Hmm. That I did not know.
If you're working at mcdonalds there wouldn't be much reason to get a 2500k, I've been using a i3-2100 (well i3-2120 same price) for about a year now with no problem.
I say get the i5. One of brothers and I have 2500k's and my other bro has a 3750k. I put an i3 in my mom's computer, but she obviously doesn't game or anything. It's also just fact that 4-cores/4-threads (i5) are better than 2-cores/4-threads (i3).
And by all means get the K version as overclocking is fantastic.
[IMG]http://revo-d.net/Cotton/Overclock.png[/IMG]
This was just for benching but I'm effectively getting [B]63%[/B] more performance than stock.
[QUOTE=100 cotton;39463837]I say get the i5. One of brothers and I have 2500k's and my other bro has a 3750k. I put an i3 in my mom's computer, but she obviously doesn't game or anything. It's also just fact that 4-cores/4-threads (i5) are better than 2-cores/4-threads (i3).
And by all means get the K version as overclocking is fantastic.
[IMG]http://revo-d.net/Cotton/Overclock.png[/IMG]
This was just for benching but I'm effectively getting [B]63%[/B] more performance than stock.[/QUOTE]
holy shit dat overclock
[QUOTE=100 cotton;39463837]I say get the i5. One of brothers and I have 2500k's and my other bro has a 3750k. I put an i3 in my mom's computer, but she obviously doesn't game or anything. It's also just fact that 4-cores/4-threads (i5) are better than 2-cores/4-threads (i3).
And by all means get the K version as overclocking is fantastic.
[IMG]http://revo-d.net/Cotton/Overclock.png[/IMG]
This was just for benching but I'm effectively getting [B]63%[/B] more performance than stock.[/QUOTE]
May I know what you use for cooling + which thermal paste ?
I have it on a Corsair h100 with fans pull only, using mx-4 for paste. When clocking that high it can hit 90C (seriously not advised). For 24/7 OC I have it at 4.5ghz and it hardly gets above 60C.
[QUOTE=100 cotton;39464528]I have it on a Corsair h100 with fans pull only, using mx-4 for paste. When clocking that high it can hit 90C (seriously not advised). For 24/7 OC I have it at 4.5ghz and it hardly gets above 60C.[/QUOTE]
are you considering to change to a kraken x60 or a H110 (dual 140mm radiator)
[QUOTE=striker453;39466231]are you considering to change to a kraken x60 or a H110 (dual 140mm radiator)[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly sure my case (CM 690 ii) can't fit a 2x140 rad without some modding, but I did buy my case with custom watercooling in mind for the future. I'd be able to fit a 240mm in the top and another thick one on bottom, and that should be plenty of rad for CPU + GPU or two.
Anyways, getting a little off topic... :v:
H110 outperforms the X60 but is a little louder iirc
I noticed the Intel Core i5-3350P is only $180, will that be decent gaming, and could it bottleneck any high end graphics card?
don't really want to get a low power version
[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;39466942]don't really want to get a low power version[/QUOTE]
The P only has a lower TDP because it hasn't got an onboard GPU, it isn't a low power one in any other respect.
My i3-2120 plays all the games.
I'd say whether you wanna get a dual or a quad depends on how future proof you want your rig to be.
[QUOTE=rhx123;39471422]The P only has a lower TDP because it hasn't got an onboard GPU, it isn't a low power one in any other respect.[/QUOTE]
Oh my bad, I thought that was the one that drew like 50W or whatever, remember seeing it before
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