Go with 6 gigs of ram instead of 12, 12 is unneeded.
[url]http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-module-upgrade,2264.html[/url]
Here is proof why it is unneeded.
And here is a i7 overclocking guide. I know it is in english, use google translate.
[QUOTE=sbradford26;17783214]Go with 6 gigs of ram instead of 12, 12 is unneeded.
[url]http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-module-upgrade,2264.html[/url]
Here is proof why it is unneeded.
And here is a i7 overclocking guide. I know it is in english, use google translate.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for a helpful comment. :smile:
[QUOTE=TheMadness;17775321][url]http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-299-IN[/url]
[url]http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-280-IN[/url]
orly?[/QUOTE]
In The Netherlands where I live it's only a few euros difference
I prefer the i7 because I think of it as a future investment.
[QUOTE=Within;17783679]I prefer the i7 because I think of it as a future investment.[/QUOTE]
By the time you will be thinking about upgrading your $100 motherboard will be only worth $20. Technology changes fast.
[QUOTE=Soldier32;17795200]By the time you will be thinking about upgrading your $100 motherboard will be only worth $20. Technology changes fast.[/QUOTE]
True.
[QUOTE=Umi-hebi;17779483]Honestly I'd get two of those hard drives and place them in Raid 0
With a build like yours, the hard drive will be the bottleneck if you only have one at 7200RPM[/QUOTE]
RAID 0 will only help with sequential access speeds, of which modern hard drives have more than enough of.
Sequential access speeds only count when moving or copying large files.
Random access times are the factor which affects hard drive performance in the most noticeable way. These can be improved by using solid state drives or faster drivers. (E.g. 15,000RPM.) Cache memory also helps slightly, in some situations.
On a side note: RAID 1 can also help improve random access reading times [i]slightly[/i].
If you're going for an SSD, remember that 128GB or whatever size you go for is actually very small by today's standards. I'd assume that you would need a larger storage drive as well. I personally have 160GB of SSDs for my OS and applications and I've filled 100GB of it already - It wasn't very long ago that I reinstalled this OS. All of the Windows updates take a hell of a lot of space.
Another example of space usage is a server I've just set up. Windows Server 2008 with nothing but the updates took 20GB on it's own. Again mostly thanks to the updates. (The "C:/Windows/winsxs/" directory.)
Regarding overclocking the 920, nothing is guaranteed with overclocking. However I got my 920 to 4GHz and was running that for quite a while. 4GHz is not too far from what the people with 975s usually manage to get. Mind I have had to drop that slightly due to a memory change, but I'm still running 3.75GHz.
[QUOTE=Denzo;17773957]I recommend you get an Antec, Cooler Master or Lian-Li case. Please for the love of god, don't get a cheap case.[/QUOTE]
Just wanted to comment on this. A long while ago I was building another server and I went for the cheapest case I could find at the time - Cost me about £30. Now I'm a Lian-Li person, I like my cases well built but this one I didn't care about. When I got it I was very surprised, its build quality was far better than many cases I'd see and I'd go as far as saying that it's built better than my Lian-Li V2000B. Shame it doesn't look too amazing.
Thanks yngdrw. It made me reconsider the SSD because 128 GB isn't much at all.
Did you get to 4 GHZ with air cooling? If so, which cooler?
I've been reading some reviews for the said case of the build and the reviews are fine. My friend has one as well, and it's lovely. Looks good too.
That's on water, but I don't see why a decent air cooler couldn't do that with a decent processor.
I'm getting reasonably bad temps, about 40C loaded on water but that's because I'm having to push some voltage through it. I've seen plenty of other 920's do the same on a much lower voltage and hence generating a lot less heat. Also I'm using the C0 stepping, while the newer D0 stepping tends to overclock better. Of course, nothing is guaranteed.
Just a comment about SSDs: First off, don't get one expecting everything to be instant and for it to feel like something totally new - It won't.
They are fast, very fast, but not instant. I can do a virus scan of my C drive in about three minutes - That's pretty damn fast. I can open a large directory in my C drive very quickly, but not instantly. I can move my GTA folder (16GB with many small files.) from a none SSD to my SSD pretty quickly. (The random write speed really helps here.)
On the other hand, speeds will feel very consistent. For example, when opening a directory it always takes the same, very short amount of "thinking" time - But that time is always the same.
They are very nice, but don't think they are miracle machines. Also note that the Windows boot-up time is pretty much the same for me. CPU and memory speed are what holds me back on that one, even with an i7.
With all that said, if you still think it's worth your money then have a look at the Intel X25-M G2 drives. Also note that the Intel drives have a "slow" sequential write speed of 70MB/s, but the fastest random access times of the flash SSDs.
I'm getting, as stated in the OP, the Kama Cross air cooler. Do you think that will cope for a decent overclock, or should I ask them if I can get a Mugen 2 instead?
By the way, there's this Easy Tune 6 with the motherboard. As far as I can tell you can one-click an overclock through three predefined speeds at the panel. Is it really [I]that[/I] easy?
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Also thanks for the info on the SSDs.
I'm still considering getting one, but I think I won't because of it being filled so quickly.
[QUOTE=Within;17798145]I'm getting, as stated in the OP, the Kama Cross air cooler. Do you think that will cope for a decent overclock, or should I ask them if I can get a Mugen 2 instead?
By the way, there's this Easy Tune 6 with the motherboard. As far as I can tell you can one-click an overclock through three predefined speeds at the panel. Is it really [I]that[/I] easy?
[editline]07:42PM[/editline]
Also thanks for the info on the SSDs.
I'm still considering getting one, but I think I won't because of it being filled so quickly.[/QUOTE]
SSD's are good for JUST installing the OS on it. Your computer will boot 10x faster. You can put all your data on a seperate regular HDD.
I'm not sure about the cooler, I haven't touched an air cooler in quite a while so I'm a bit "out of the loop".
From a quick look on the web, I think you may need to buy a different clip to make it work with i7's:
[url]http://www.scythe-eu.com/en/products/pc-accessory/1366-mounting-clips.html[/url]
The automatic overclocking features generally work quite nicely. They vary from different manufacturers, for example I'm using an EVGA X58 board and when I tried the auto overclock I think it took mine up to 3.2GHz from the stock 2.66GHz. It was pretty much just one click, except it had to be turned on in the BIOS. If that's all you want to overclock it to then go for it - It makes life very easy.
I was using that on the stock cooler and while the temperatures were too high to run constantly, I'm sure they would have been more than acceptable with any reasonable after market air cooler.
[QUOTE=Soldier32;17798558]SSD's are good for JUST installing the OS on it. Your computer will boot 10x faster. You can put all your data on a seperate regular HDD.[/QUOTE]
Mine doesn't boot any noticeable amount faster. Also don't forget about all of your applications - If you install them on a normal drive then they won't start up any faster. Photoshop starts up noticeably faster which is always a good thing.
[QUOTE=yngndrw;17798598]I'm not sure about the cooler, I haven't touched an air cooler in quite a while so I'm a bit "out of the loop".
From a quick look on the web, I think you may need to buy a different clip to make it work with i7's:
[url]http://www.scythe-eu.com/en/products/pc-accessory/1366-mounting-clips.html[/url]
The automatic overclocking features generally work quite nicely. They vary from different manufacturers, for example I'm using an EVGA X58 board and when I tried the auto overclock I think it took mine up to 3.2GHz from the stock 2.66GHz. It was pretty much just one click, except it had to be turned on in the BIOS. If that's all you want to overclock it to then go for it - It makes life very easy.
I was using that on the stock cooler and while the temperatures were too high to run constantly, I'm sure they would have been more than acceptable with any reasonable after market air cooler.
Mine doesn't boot any noticeable amount faster. Also don't forget about all of your applications - If you install them on a normal drive then they won't start up any faster. Photoshop starts up noticeably faster which is always a good thing.[/QUOTE]
He should get the Megahalem if he really wants to OC the i7.
My cousins booted A LOT faster than before when he had his OS installed on a regular HDD. The programs didn't start up in a flash but it took him very little time to get to the logon screen.
Just a question. Does it 'hurt' your CPU even if it is running normal temperature?
[QUOTE=Within;17801985]Just a question. Does it 'hurt' your CPU even if it is running normal temperature?[/QUOTE]
Yes but if you don't go over 1.5V it should be fine.
What is the default value?
For an i7 I believe it's 1.2V.
I'm getting not-so-great temperatures with 1.4V and water cooling, so I'd advise not to go beyond that.
[QUOTE=yngndrw;17808488]For an i7 I believe it's 1.2V.
I'm getting not-so-great temperatures with 1.4V and water cooling, so I'd advise not to go beyond that.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/680/easytune1.jpg[/img]
This was what I'm talking about previously regarding the one-click clock.
Since the picture presents an i7 920, which is the one I'm getting, can I safely take it to level 2 with air cooling? Any idea what voltage that is?
[QUOTE=Within;17808849][img]http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/680/easytune1.jpg[/img]
This was what I'm talking about previously regarding the one-click clock.
Since the picture presents an i7 920, which is the one I'm getting, can I safely take it to level 2 with air cooling? Any idea what voltage that is?[/QUOTE]
Don't do software overclocks.
[QUOTE=Within;17808849][img]http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/680/easytune1.jpg[/img]
This was what I'm talking about previously regarding the one-click clock.
Since the picture presents an i7 920, which is the one I'm getting, can I safely take it to level 2 with air cooling? Any idea what voltage that is?[/QUOTE]
Your best bet would be to try it and look at the temperature.
[url]http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/[/url]
The auto-overclock features tend to use more voltage than is required, but if you do it by temperature then you can't go wrong. (Much. :D)
hwmonitor
[QUOTE=yngndrw;17813625]Your best bet would be to try it and look at the temperature.
[url]http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/[/url]
The auto-overclock features tend to use more voltage than is required, but if you do it by temperature then you can't go wrong. (Much. :D)[/QUOTE]
The higher the voltage the faster the lifespan of the CPU deteriorates
[QUOTE=Denzo;17816066]The higher the voltage the faster the lifespan of the CPU deteriorates[/QUOTE]
Very true, but under normal conditions the life would be far longer than the hardware would still be useful for.
Yes, I was planning to monitor the temperatures respectively under load and when running idle and then determine whether it would be wise to overclock or not.
Alright, I bought it.
I still want to talk about overclocking though.
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