• ATi Radeon 5870 vs. SLi GTX 260
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5870 it will be cheaper in the long run too. [editline]1:11[/editline] i mean in power consumption.
[QUOTE=Shadowspike;20328176]The fact that you used "kid" makes your post meaningless.[/QUOTE] umad? :laugh: [editline]09:05PM[/editline] hes right ya' know
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;20328293]umad? :laugh: [editline]09:05PM[/editline] hes right ya' know[/QUOTE] Yeah, popping a blood vessel here.
[QUOTE=irgoto;20328156]sli the gtx 260, or save up for a 5970[/QUOTE] why the hell do you say save up for a 5970 for everthing to do about GPU's? shut up
[QUOTE=Shadowspike;20328176]The fact that you used "kid" makes your post meaningless.[/QUOTE] [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6s6CdLQRCP0/SUXY3l4UM8I/AAAAAAAAAU4/jXEkEWs4Tmw/s400/drevil.jpg[/img] Riiiiiiiiiigghhhttt...
hey if this thread gets better I'll save it to my bookmarks (i save all the funny/dumb PCHS threads like "intel ripped me off.." [editline]01:09AM[/editline] this one [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=824095[/url]
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;20332930]hey if this thread gets better I'll save it to my bookmarks (i save all the funny/dumb PCHS threads like "intel ripped me off.." [editline]01:09AM[/editline] this one [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=824095[/url][/QUOTE] Haaa. I remember that thread.
If you want micro stuttering go ahead with the SLI, but I wouldn't suggest it.
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;20337080]If you want micro stuttering go ahead with the SLI, but I wouldn't suggest it.[/QUOTE] haha. I'm guessing you've never used SLI or something? I rarely have microstuttering problems, and when I do, i simply enable Vsync. Problem solved.
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;20337148]haha. I'm guessing you've never used SLI or something? I rarely have microstuttering problems, and when I do, i simply enable Vsync. Problem solved.[/QUOTE] Haha, excuse me? What does me not ever having used SLI have anything to do with this? Just because I haven't used it doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I know exactly how it works, and I already have seen micro-stuttering through videos (oh yes, it's the video that's the problem I forgot sorry), have seen hundreds of people talk about it on various forums, and have seen charts where they plot the delay between each frame and how the frames are produced by the GPUs asyncronously, making it look like the framerate slows down then speeds up very quickly. It is not noticed by any framerate displayer. LOL, Funny how you say you turn on Vsync and your problems are fixed, it has nothing to do with, and it only fixes screen tearing. Obviously you have no idea how micro-stuttering works and you are obviously experiencing something else. How about I show you some links where you can read about this stuff first. Vsync actually makes it worse, because In order to eliminate micro-stuttering, your framerate must be higher than your monitors refresh rate. [url]http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1317582[/url] [url]http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=243190[/url] [url]http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=194808[/url] Look at the charts, as you can see, the MS is the amount of time in miliiseconds it took to produce each frame. So you can see that the frames are rendered and they are out of sync, creating micro-stuttering, which makes the framerate kind of jerk. It happens in most games, and some people sometimes don't notice it. And yeah, it's a huge problem, which Is why I wouldn't suggest it.
Never buy a SLI or a CrossifreX graphic cards because it costs lot of money, the drivers are published for a little moment for a GC serie, use so much electrical power (You need +850 Watts, Corsair TX or HX preferably) and warm up a lot. And like what it said early, not every game supports this technology. Mono-GPU GCs are the best, in fact, do not buy a CrossfireX or SLI.
[QUOTE=ADT;20353051]Never buy a SLI or a CrossifreX graphic cards because it costs lot of money, the drivers are published for a little moment for a GC serie, use so much electrical power (You need +850 Watts, Corsair TX or HX preferably) and warm up a lot. And like what it said early, not every game supports this technology. Mono-GPU GCs are the best, in fact, do not buy a CrossfireX or SLI.[/QUOTE] what
There are more disadvantages than advantages when you have a SLI or Crossfire GC.
[QUOTE=ADT;20353216]There are more disadvantages than advantages when you have a SLI or Crossfire GC.[/QUOTE] You're joking right? Sure there are some minor problems that come with SLI/CFX, but if your going to use that setup then you should know what you're getting into for the increased performance. I used to have SLI 7900GTs and never had a problem with them, and I've heard of very few problems from the 5xxx series cards I'm about to crossfire.
[QUOTE=ADT;20353051]Never buy a SLI or a CrossifreX graphic cards because it costs lot of money, the drivers are published for a little moment for a GC serie, use so much electrical power (You need +850 Watts, Corsair TX or HX preferably) and warm up a lot. And like what it said early, not every game supports this technology. Mono-GPU GCs are the best, in fact, do not buy a CrossfireX or SLI.[/QUOTE] No it costs less money than buying a new 5870. ATI just released new drivers improving Crossfire You can easily sli 260s with much less power than 850. Probably looking around 500-600w. Games that do not support multi GPU are mostly older games that you would max out anyways with 1 card.
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;20352438]Haha, excuse me? What does me not ever having used SLI have anything to do with this? Just because I haven't used it doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I know exactly how it works, and I already have seen micro-stuttering through videos (oh yes, it's the video that's the problem I forgot sorry), have seen hundreds of people talk about it on various forums, and have seen charts where they plot the delay between each frame and how the frames are produced by the GPUs asyncronously, making it look like the framerate slows down then speeds up very quickly. It is not noticed by any framerate displayer. LOL, Funny how you say you turn on Vsync and your problems are fixed, it has nothing to do with, and it only fixes screen tearing. Obviously you have no idea how micro-stuttering works and you are obviously experiencing something else. How about I show you some links where you can read about this stuff first. Vsync actually makes it worse, because In order to eliminate micro-stuttering, your framerate must be higher than your monitors refresh rate. [url]http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1317582[/url] [url]http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=243190[/url] [url]http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=194808[/url] Look at the charts, as you can see, the MS is the amount of time in miliiseconds it took to produce each frame. So you can see that the frames are rendered and they are out of sync, creating micro-stuttering, which makes the framerate kind of jerk. It happens in most games, and some people sometimes don't notice it. And yeah, it's a huge problem, which Is why I wouldn't suggest it.[/QUOTE] (on VSYNC) if it isn't micro stuttering, then it's another SLI related problem. Turning SLI off fixes it. and micro stuttering isn't as big as problem as you made it sound. you rarely notice it unless you have a shitty dual GPU card like the 9800GX2 (apparently that had tons of problems) once again, you don't know because you haven't used SLI. and a post on XS.... [quote]Seeing as how vsync apparently fixes a lot of (if not all?) of microstuttering, I would like to see more multi GPU graphics compairisons with vsync enabled in order to see which graphics cards can keep a higher minimum frame rate. Vsync makes for an overall more enjoyable play experience...except in twitch shooters or other games when reaction time is more important, as it causes input delay. [/quote] [editline]01:47AM[/editline] and FYI: you don't have to write it like you're trying to insult me. ..and i'm always learning, but If I believe I am right i want to prove my point.
[QUOTE=whatnow V2;20354334](on VSYNC) if it isn't micro stuttering, then it's another SLI related problem. Turning SLI off fixes it. and micro stuttering isn't as big as problem as you made it sound. you rarely notice it unless you have a shitty dual GPU card like the 9800GX2 (apparently that had tons of problems) once again, you don't know because you haven't used SLI. and a post on XS.... [editline]01:47AM[/editline] and FYI: you don't have to write it like you're trying to insult me. ..and i'm always learning, but If I believe I am right i want to prove my point.[/QUOTE] Well, IMO, I don't think it matters if I have used SLI or not, it wouldn't make a difference in what I think or what I was saying. I haven't actually seen it in real life, but I have seen a few videos (video camera looking at the monitor) and have seen it, the frames kind of skip. It's really weird and hard to explain. And yes it happens more on older GPUs, less on the newer SLI and Xfire, and even less on the dual gpu cards. I also don't really understand how Vsync could fix it. Anything above your monitors refresh rate fixes it, because it allows time for the monitor to slow down or catch up with the frame delay, I don't know exactly how it works, I'd probably have to do some math and figure out why. If it happens that Vsync fixes the problem, which I don't know why; it doesn't make any logical sense, but I wouldn't use it anyway, as it causes input lag, which I hate. The other thing I just remembered now it some games don't even take advantage of dual gpus, or they don't scale very well with it, that's the other problem. That's why I bought a 5870 instead of saving some money and crossfiring my old 4870.
[QUOTE=Evilan;20353724]You're joking right? Sure there are some minor problems that come with SLI/CFX, but if your going to use that setup then you should know what you're getting into for the increased performance. I used to have SLI 7900GTs and never had a problem with them, and I've heard of very few problems from the 5xxx series cards I'm about to crossfire.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=FHamster;20354120]No it costs less money than buying a new 5870. ATI just released new drivers improving Crossfire You can easily sli 260s with much less power than 850. Probably looking around 500-600w. Games that do not support multi GPU are mostly older games that you would max out anyways with 1 card.[/QUOTE] That's interesting... My french comrades (CanardPC) have always say me to not buy a SLI or Xfire GC for the same reasons I said earlier. You are really sure you didn't have a single problem with that ? (Crossfire 5870 or 5970 for example, because I don't like Ndivia for their performances)
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;20357638]vsync causes input lag[/QUOTE] and, how supernatural do you have to be to sense that? i've never seen, heard or felt as much as the shadow of this. under 60 or on exactly 60, no delays....
Anytime I run any new game for the first time, it automatically puts Vsync on, and I can tell it's on because my mouse lags behind, and it's annoying. When I tried the AVP multiplayer demo it had Vsync on by default and I was wondering why my mouse was so slow to respond.
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;20364564]Anytime I run any new game for the first time, it automatically puts Vsync on, and I can tell it's on because my mouse lags behind, and it's annoying. When I tried the AVP multiplayer demo it had Vsync on by default and I was wondering why my mouse was so slow to respond.[/QUOTE] shit monitor
[QUOTE=ADT;20353051]Never buy a SLI or a CrossifreX graphic cards because it costs lot of money, the drivers are published for a little moment for a GC serie, use so much electrical power (You need +850 Watts, Corsair TX or HX preferably) and warm up a lot. And like what it said early, not every game supports this technology. Mono-GPU GCs are the best, in fact, do not buy a CrossfireX or SLI.[/QUOTE] I smell troll.
[QUOTE=ghostofme;20369095]I smell troll.[/QUOTE] I smell a confused person.
[QUOTE=Evilan;20370250]I smell a confused person.[/QUOTE] or a person who hasn't used SLI/CFX, and draws conclusions from 2 year old reviews using 3-2 year old cards.
My french comrades have maybe lied to me :(
[QUOTE=rampageturke;20365627]shit monitor[/QUOTE] lol, no. It's a Samsung Ecofit P2270, With a 2MS response time, 1080p. I use DVI. Incase you didn't know, a lot of people have this problem. I'm not the only one.
[QUOTE=rampageturke;20365627]shit monitor[/QUOTE] Shit poster. [editline]03:02PM[/editline] I get it as well using DVI, and Dark-Energy, that's 2ms GTG. No one goes by GTG. That's 5ms in BTB.
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