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What's this idea about macs being restrictive? As an OS I don't ever run into boundaries with it.

Here's what I mean by restrictive. The OS that I find to be the less restrictive is Linux. You can basically do whatever you want. You have complete control over every little aspect of the OS. This also means that it's very customizable. If we look at windows, we can see that It is restrictive to a point, you have to use the basic windows things. (Explorer, the taskbar, the menu, etc.) There are a few hacks and tricks that allow you to change stuff around. You can actually replace the taskbar and explorer with these. On a mac you either go with the apple way or you don't go at all. There are no "hacks" (that I know of) that let you change the interface (properly). Another thing that makes OSX very restrictive is its lack of support for hardware other than apples. The other thing that I don't like about OSX is that it's dumbed down. It treats you like a fucking child, so does apple. It doesn't let you do much because it knows you'll fuck shit up. That's why they are so "simple". They don't allow you to do much and that makes it less complicated. Generally speaking Windows and OSX are close in terms of being restrictive, OSX is more restrictive tho. I feel that windows allows you more in terms of administration. I don't have a lot of experience with Macs, I don't use them on an every day basis. When I did use Macs it always felt as if you had less administrative privileges. Or that they were less accessible. You can go in root terminal and be the kind of the world but that's no accessible for a Mac.

[QUOTE=Boris-B;23650434]Here's what I mean by restrictive. The OS that I find to be the less restrictive is Linux. You can basically do whatever you want. You have complete control over every little aspect of the OS. This also means that it's very customizable. If we look at windows, we can see that It is restrictive to a point, you have to use the basic windows things. (Explorer, the taskbar, the menu, etc.) There are a few hacks and tricks that allow you to change stuff around. You can actually replace the taskbar and explorer with these. On a mac you either go with the apple way or you don't go at all. There are no "hacks" (that I know of) that let you change the interface (properly). Another thing that makes OSX very restrictive is its lack of support for hardware other than apples. The other thing that I don't like about OSX is that it's dumbed down. It treats you like a fucking child, so does apple. It doesn't let you do much because it knows you'll fuck shit up. That's why they are so "simple". They don't allow you to do much and that makes it less complicated. Generally speaking Windows and OSX are close in terms of being restrictive, OSX is more restrictive tho. I feel that windows allows you more in terms of administration. I don't have a lot of experience with Macs, I don't use them on an every day basis. When I did use Macs it always felt as if you had less administrative privileges. Or that they were less accessible. You can go in root terminal and be the kind of the world but that's no accessible for a Mac.[/QUOTE] i know this is gonna sound real nerdy. Most Linux programs have sourcecode that you can build. if you're lucky you can build for OS X. but that's only if the developers were attentive towards it. as for administration... that's what the "sopportive programs" folder is for. (don't know the actual english name for it) and the terminal. you're only as restricted as you let yourself be. counts for nearly every OS. I don't know if it's true, but the marketing campaigns more than imply that it's the most restricted platform. "we're not like anyone else" "we're so damn amazing that even looking at a mac cures cancer and restores youth" "we're the most secure and compatible solution" all of that implies "we're focusing more on making it work with what we give than with what you might want from elsewhere. people who buy it don't always realize it, but people should know if the care so much about apps. I don't give a shit about what i use and not. as long as Avast, Spybot and Firefox is on my PC and my own essential app set is on the laptop, then i'm fine. the rest is whatever suits the moment and needs.

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;23644471]How did you get that free? I saw a 24" Ex-Display iMac, top end and all for sale in John Lewis for £600, best deal I ever saw on a Mac.[/QUOTE] My dad runs the music lab (and teachers photoshop, flash, fireworks, jazz piano, etc) and so whenever he puts in a grant for new computers (about every 2 years) he orders another one to bring home as a family computer. School accepts and we bring it home.

Macs are good for some people PCs are good for other people Netbooks are good for some people iPads are good for other people People who say "PCs suck" are stupid and wrong People who say "Macs suck" are stupid and wrong.

[QUOTE=Bomimo;23650528]i know this is gonna sound real nerdy. Most Linux programs have sourcecode that you can build. if you're lucky you can build for OS X. as for administration... that's what the "sopportive programs" folder is for. (don't know the actual english name for it) and the terminal. you're only as restricted as you let yourself be. counts for nearly every OS.[/QUOTE] Of course, with enough motivation you can do anything. Think about how much effort certain thing would take just to get the running properly. This counts for Mac and Windows, sometimes you have to fight the OS itself so that you can certain things. Windows and OSX are not simply going to move out of the way and let you replace bits of them.

[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.442820[/url] Not really computer illiterate, but it's kinda silly to see the lowest priced CPU on Newegg being paired up with a 480 in a combo deal.

$11 cpu

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;23652767][url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.442820[/url] Not really computer illiterate, but it's kinda silly to see the lowest priced CPU on Newegg being paired up with a 480 in a combo deal.[/QUOTE] Well hey you get about $10 off the GPU and a free processor

Same as their bundle deal that has a "complete PC" with an OEM processor. People will boot it up, it'll work for 5 seconds and shut down, and they'll complain about it being DOA.

[QUOTE=gaboer;23647562][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Elb7r2avE&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-SHNpYKuqc&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Fgai18EfQ[/media] :doh:[/QUOTE] Posted a comment on his wall. Did anyone else from facepunch comment? There are recent comments so maybe.

[QUOTE=Boris-B;23650434]On a mac you either go with the apple way or you don't go at all. There are no "hacks" (that I know of) that let you change the interface (properly).[/quote] No, there are some command line and configuration tricks. [QUOTE=Boris-B;23650434]Another thing that makes OSX very restrictive is its lack of support for hardware other than apples.[/quote] Well they do provide a good amount of print drivers, and the hardware manufacturers supply drivers for their hardware. You can't expect them to produce drivers on their own. [QUOTE=Boris-B;23650434]The other thing that I don't like about OSX is that it's dumbed down. It treats you like a fucking child, so does apple. It doesn't let you do much because it knows you'll fuck shit up. That's why they are so "simple". They don't allow you to do much and that makes it less complicated.[/quote] I don't think it's dumbed down at all. I enjoy using it, and it still allows me to do poweruser tasks.

Wasn't this supposed to be a thread about computer illiterate people?

Yeah it's just OS X hate is just a reoccurring topic, I'm sorry for arguing in here.

Actually I hate macs because of the flame wars it causes.

More trolling than illiteracy, but [IMG]http://i32.tinypic.com/14uuefk.png[/IMG]

[img]http://www.lol.com/joke/image/617[/img]

Well, I'm a massive Asus Elitist (I love my asus products, Everything but PSU's) and I said this to a steam previous-friend and he said he hates, them I ask why he said that his "P5Q Pro" Mobo's socket didn't fit his core i5 even after he rma'd it... the P5Q Pro is a P45 Socket which is LGA755...

Not really illiteracy, but found [url=http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/69580-28-duel-single-question]this[/url] when trying to find pictures of Duelling CPUs (to try and edit the CPUs into [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=23659555&postcount=123]Screens[/url]

A girl at school keeps telling me every time she drops her phone it gets slower.

I was just out watching NCIS and they were looking for something, Of course she says "what if it's hidden inside the laptop itself, It could be hidden in a partition of ram" Yeah that could work, Seeing though ram wipes everything when it's lost power.

[QUOTE=wingless;23661254]I was just out watching NCIS and they were looking for something, Of course she says "what if it's hidden inside the laptop itself, It could be hidden in a partition of ram" Yeah that could work, Seeing though ram wipes everything when it's lost power.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU[/media]

[QUOTE=wingless;23661254]I was just out watching NCIS and they were looking for something, Of course she says "what if it's hidden inside the laptop itself, It could be hidden in a partition of ram" Yeah that could work, Seeing though ram wipes everything when it's lost power.[/QUOTE] If RAM wipes everything when its out of power, then why is it when the power flashes and my computer shuts off, and I reboot it, everything is back to where it was? Meaning, I have all my windows that were open and the same page I was on and I was still logged in.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;23662049]If RAM wipes everything when its out of power, then why is it when the power flashes and my computer shuts off, and I reboot it, everything is back to where it was? Meaning, I have all my windows that were open and the same page I was on and I was still logged in.[/QUOTE] :iiam: I actually don't know why yours does that.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;23662049]If RAM wipes everything when its out of power, then why is it when the power flashes and my computer shuts off, and I reboot it, everything is back to where it was? Meaning, I have all my windows that were open and the same page I was on and I was still logged in.[/QUOTE] A small backup battery perhaps? I honestly have no idea

[QUOTE=xxncxx;23662049]If RAM wipes everything when its out of power, then why is it when the power flashes and my computer shuts off, and I reboot it, everything is back to where it was? Meaning, I have all my windows that were open and the same page I was on and I was still logged in.[/QUOTE] Maybe it somehow automatically goes into hibernate mode or something? Though that sounds rather impossible and I have no idea how that would work... [editline]06:14PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;23661699][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU[/media][/QUOTE] I guess that could work, though it's a rather inefficient way of doing it...

I have a growing fear that we're all running out of computer illiterate stories. (hinted by this huge flood of off-topic discussion)

[QUOTE=xxncxx;23662049]If RAM wipes everything when its out of power, then why is it when the power flashes and my computer shuts off, and I reboot it, everything is back to where it was? Meaning, I have all my windows that were open and the same page I was on and I was still logged in.[/QUOTE] Probably the capacitors have enough power to keep the RAM active, windows does this intentionally when you put 7 in sleep mode (now called hibernation from new update) it shuts down the processor and all other devices, but leaves just enough power to keep the RAM on, making for a quick restore to desktop.

[QUOTE=GWeasel;23664235]Probably the capacitors have enough power to keep the RAM active, windows does this intentionally when you put 7 in sleep mode (now called hibernation from new update) it shuts down the processor and all other devices, but leaves just enough power to keep the RAM on, making for a quick restore to desktop.[/QUOTE] Sleep and hibernation are completely different things. Sleep put the current state in RAM, while hibernate is to the disk and shuts the computer down.

So I'm at Siggraph in Los Angeles... For some odd reason there's hundreds of people on macbooks along the hallways and in different areas, doing their own stuff. I cracked a joke about them not having much else to do since everything is pretty much PC-based software here, minus the photoshop panels. I have a project, though, that I gotta finish by tomorrow. Think it's a good idea to go commit ritual suicide by planting myself in the middle of them with my gaming laptop and a massive tablet? I can only imagine how much I'll be told 'art is easier on macs'. :gonk: disclaimer- you all know how much I avoid the mac v pc tardism in general, but the guys sitting around are excited to talk to people about anything and I can only imagine the worst when I set up my stuff since the majority appear to fit the fanboy stereotype