[QUOTE=Jookia;26284626]I don't understand how you don't understand that the act of porting something does not cost money, only time and effort.
As a company, paying somebody to do it though does.[/QUOTE]
TIME IS DIRECTLY RELEVANT TO MONEY... YOU GIVE PAID FOR X HOURS/MINUTES/SECONDS OF WORK NOT HERE SOME CHUCKIE CHEESE TOKENS THANKS FOR PUSHING BUTTON!
are you even old enough to have a job
My point is that porting doesn't cost money, paying somebody to do it does.
[QUOTE=Jookia;26284763]My point is that porting doesn't cost money, paying somebody to do it does.[/QUOTE]
The act of porting costs some form of money, nothing is free.
You pay for the fucking power running your goddamned cpu, you pay for the employee even bothering to perform the task, you pay for the food which gave you the energy to do it yourself and the time that you can never get back in life.
It has a cost.
Get over yourself.
Jookia, I realy don't think he gets the concept. I could write a media player for windows in my spare time, and port it for free, in my spare time. I'm sure if someone wanted to do it, they would.
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;26284827]Hurp[/QUOTE]
That's right, rate me dumb because there's no cash exchange. That doesn't default it as free.
[QUOTE=JohnEdwards;26284731]are you even old enough to have a job[/QUOTE]
He isn't, actually. I know more about him than I should.
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[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;26284827]Jookia, I realy don't think he gets the concept. I could write a media player for windows in my spare time, and port it for free, in my spare time. I'm sure if someone wanted to do it, they would.[/QUOTE]
As Libertas already explained, the extra CPU time used by the compiler induces a physical cost to the act of porting. Porting is simply not free.
As much as I'm glad somebody agrees with me, I can't help but know nothing will sway your guys' stance and I don't have a reason to be here if I'm arguing for no reason.
[QUOTE=Jookia;26284886]As much as I'm glad somebody agrees with me, I can't help but know nothing will sway your guys' stance and I don't have a reason to be here if I'm arguing for no reason.[/QUOTE]
I just explained why our 'stance' will not be swayed and that's because I subscribe to "The Motherfucking Laws of Physics and other Cool Shit Like That".
I should clarify before I 'leave' for the 5th time: I'm operating on the idea that you're porting something or you're working on the application, much like in a company. Either way you'd use the same amount of power and whatnot, so I take that out of the equation.
[QUOTE=Jookia;26284955]I should clarify before I 'leave' for the 5th time: I'm operating on the idea that you're porting something or you're working on the application, much like in a company. Either way you'd use the same amount of power and whatnot, so I take that out of the equation.[/QUOTE]
Except you can't take valid costs out of the equation and call it free.
Or else everything is free as long as you're batshit enough.
Let me re-explain why porting makes sense for indie devs but doesn't for developers that create large projects, since some people still don't get it.
Windows is by far the dominant platform on the desktop, taking around 90% of the entire desktop market share. (OS X takes up essentially the rest.) So of course this is what you mainly target as a developer.
Linux, on the other hand, has less than a percent of all desktop installations, when you're talking about the general populace and not tech-savvy people or developers.
But because Linux has such a small ecosystem of [b]good[/b] software, they're fairly desperate for it. Look at Linux desktop threads and all the people that have [i]World of Goo[/i] or [i]Minecraft[/i] installed.
Both of those games stand on their own merits, granted, but because there are few good alternatives, both of these games enjoy an extremely high deployment rate on Linux.
This need for high-quality software means you don't have to do much advertising if the product is good. If it's good, then Linux users will gobble it up. If porting were completely free, it would thus make perfect sense to port to Linux.
The problem is that the Linux community is only so large, and thus one can only make a certain number of sales on Linux. This will be our fixed variable.
Our dynamic variable will be the cost of porting, logistics, and application support, which are based on the size of the project. For a small project, these costs are small, because the product itself is simpler. Thus these costs never approach the value of the possible revenue.
For a large project, these costs are much higher, and far exceed the amount of revenue one would generate by porting to such a rarely deployed desktop OS.
Is that simple enough for you to get?
edit: cool I made a chart
[img]http://imgur.com/4ObVl.png[/img]
Ah, I see your point. Something I should've noted that by porting not costing anything I was meaning that I can port software without somebody paying me, it costing them as opposed to being paid for porting something. Not literally costing nothing.
Edit:
@guy above me: I know it costs money to employ people to port things and to make up for that in sales is out of the option due to market share, thus it resulting in loss rather than profit. But that's not my point.
[QUOTE=Jookia;26285034]Ah, I see your point. Something I should've noted that by porting not costing anything I was meaning that I can port software without somebody paying me, it costing them as opposed to being paid for porting something. Not literally costing nothing.[/QUOTE]
This is a true point, but no comercially viable company can do this.
Ever.
There are laws and shit, it's not all greed, you can't just up and not pay employees and there are other problems with getting unpaid people to perform commercial labour, even if they're willing.
I know you can't and I've noted it, but I think you guys have misunderstood my point as I'm very bad at making myself clear (I edit my posts alot after writing them as I can clarify, but this is a fast discussion):
Somebody who sits down can port an open source application and indie games can have this done as the devs do it out of their free time much like the rest of the development, but in businesses where you have to pay somebody for something that may not make up for itself, it's not viable.
When looking at that, you can see it can be done out of your own time, and in that sense porting doesn't cost anything to the company or indie devs as you aren't being paid for it. When I mean 'cost' I mean what the company or indie devs pay, not what it costs to actually do it.
Linux is dying
Before you rate me dumbs, so is windows
Apple has unfortunately made computing with a mac cool, and there are far more idiots computer wise than people with knowledge, who would rather be cool than have a legitimate reason for using a mac, or use a computer running windows or linux.
Played any games on a mac lately? Oh wait. (Also, I get the irony as I'm a Linux user.)
I have to go do stuff, so I won't be replying until I next reply. If I do.
[QUOTE=Jookia;26285477]Played any games on a mac lately? Oh wait. (Also, I get the irony as I'm a Linux user.)
I have to go do stuff, so I won't be replying until I next reply. If I do.[/QUOTE]
Last time I used a mac was when Spore came out and my cousin was playing it, so not lately, but I could quite easily do it with steam
[editline]25th November 2010[/editline]
limited though
[QUOTE=Jookia;26285477]Played any games on a mac lately? Oh wait. (Also, I get the irony as I'm a Linux user.)
I have to go do stuff, so I won't be replying until I next reply. If I do.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/software/games?mco=OTY2ODUzMg[/url]
A lot of it's pretty outdated stuff, but almost none of it's available on Linux.
The thing is, people actually care about Macs. Tell someone on the street that you use Linux and they'll wonder what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;26281733]ROFL, go port an large application from Windows to Linux then get back to me. You have no idea what you're talking about. Programming doesn't have a magical ecosystem where everything works great with each other and platform-specific bugs don't exist.
Just because you've had wonderful experiences with small software designed to be ported doesn't mean it's suddenly chips to port a multi-million dollar game.[/QUOTE]
The fact you have to rate yourself winner, and PM people having ago about what they rated? says a lot about your maturity.
[editline]25th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=mrcsb;26285682][url]http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/software/games?mco=OTY2ODUzMg[/url]
A lot of it's pretty outdated stuff, but almost none of it's available on Linux.
The thing is, people actually care about Macs. Tell someone on the street that you use Linux and they'll wonder what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
Another self rate, what a suprise
pics of the pm?
[img]http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u281/nekosune1/pm.png[/img]
I sent a polite PM back about it, then came onto the thread to see the self rating of winner ...
Another clueless OSX nerd, I love it
enjoy your empty wallet.
Personally, as I said in the PM back, I am just fed up of the people having a go at any, each OS has it's uses, and I will use them as such, a Mac, would be perfect for my grandmother, who needs simplicity, however I use a mix of Linux / Windows, and unless something drastic happens, will not be swapping one for the other at all.
Libertas and mrcsb are just two circle jerking, self rating trolls, add to ignore list and move on.
[editline]25th November 2010[/editline]
Heh, by their logic, simply posting this message costs money, other than the internet connection and the line rental.
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;26288927]Libertas and mrcsb are just two circle jerking, self rating trolls, add to ignore list and move on.
[editline]25th November 2010[/editline]
Heh, by their logic, simply posting this message costs money, other than the internet connection and the line rental.[/QUOTE]
Electricity?
Someone call the NSA, their linux variant is 'at the end of its life cycle'!
I know I'm late, but I felt like commenting:
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;26204110]FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU AND EXTRA MUCH FUCK YOU UBUNTU YOU BORKEN PICE OF BULLCRAP SHAT OUT OF AN NERD WITH ASPERGER ASSCRACK
FUCK YOU UBUNTU FUCK YOU LINUX [/QUOTE]
It's not broken, you're just retarded.
Seriously, if you managed to break your computer using fucking UBUNTU, then there is something seriously wrong with you.
Why do people get so mad if someone has a different opinion about which OS is better or get mad when someone is using a OS deemed "inferior"?
[QUOTE=Themage;26292852]Why do people get so mad if someone has a different opinion about which OS is better or get mad when someone is using a OS deemed "inferior"?[/QUOTE]
Not all the conversation here has been just about opinions.
[QUOTE=M_B;26263487]i don't think i voiced an opinion stating that i even agreed nor disagreed with microsoft's claims
open office isn't shit though, ever used it?
it's actually all adding up now you just love the taste of steve ballmer's dick[/QUOTE]
Yeah I have used it it's one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever had the mispleasure to come into contact with.
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