• Microsoft claims Linux 'at end of life cycle'
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[QUOTE=BmB;26294802]Yeah I have used it it's one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever had the mispleasure to come into contact with.[/QUOTE] My god. don't start this shit again. Open Office is fine, you have to be mentally retarded in 5 different ways to find it hard to use or impossible to use. it works almost exactly like MS Office 2003, just it uses different terms for some things and has a different layout. The only issues you will get in documents created in office then loaded into it are due to MS seemingly purposefully breaking compatibility.
[QUOTE=BmB;26294802]Yeah I have used it it's one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever had the mispleasure to come into contact with.[/QUOTE] It's bad because I say so :downs:.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;26295000]My god. don't start this shit again. Open Office is fine, you have to be mentally retarded in 5 different ways to find it hard to use or impossible to use. it works almost exactly like MS Office 2003, just it uses different terms for some things and has a different layout. The only issues you will get in documents created in office then loaded into it are due to MS seemingly purposefully breaking compatibility.[/QUOTE] Word 2003 was pretty bad too. So give it a cheap openfag knockoff with no regards for functionality or usability and it starts to reek.
[QUOTE=BmB;26295100]Word 2003 was pretty bad too. So give it a cheap openfag knockoff with no regards for functionality or usability and it starts to reek.[/QUOTE] Clearly you haven't used either then. Or used them fully. OpenOffice is capable of everything office is and then some. The whole point of it being open was so that should you find a shortcoming you can fork it. If something is wrong with Office you are stuck with it. But let me guess, Office is still infinitely better even if it doesn't work? Just because it isn't made by "openfags". You realize that you are most likely using a Open Source web browser, right? The only way you wouldn't is if you are thick enough to use IE or Safari.
Because average users can fork. Brilliant idea there.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;26283625]ButtsexV2, that's a site for web developers. 5-8% of [b]WEB DEVELOPERS THAT VISIT W3SCHOOLS.COM[/b] use Linux. Real-world usage is not even [b]remotely close[/b] to that much. Know what you're talking about before you try to assert that Linux is relevant on the desktop.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying the results aren't skewed any, hence the "if this is anything to go by" part. and linux if anything is less popular among web developers because adobe creative suite is popular among web devs and it isn't available for Linux.
LMAO at all the clueless freetards rating me dumb, none of which have ever worked in enterprise software development. Enjoy being 15 years old, all of you! While me and Libertas try to explain why Linux doesn't get things ported to it, you guys offer red herrings and fallacious arguments grounded in wishful thinking. We're not even bashing Linux. Hell, I like Linux (for some things), but your guys' zealotry is making you look foolish. If you're upset/wondering why I keep rating myself Winner: I think it's hilarious that this message board lets me do it. Deal with it. That doesn't mean my arguments aren't honest and well-informed. [QUOTE=Fatal-Error;26288927]Heh, by their logic, simply posting this message costs money, other than the internet connection and the line rental.[/QUOTE] If you believe your time is worth money (and it is if you're old enough to have a job), then yes, it does cost a small amount of money. The electricity and internet connection are undeniable physical costs, as well. Is there something wrong with the fact that it costs money? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. [QUOTE=ButtsexV2;26296692]and linux if anything is less popular among web developers because adobe creative suite is popular among web devs and it isn't available for Linux.[/QUOTE] Nobody (serious) uses Dreamweaver for web development. Same with Flash. Any developer worth his code is going to use a notepad-like application for development, and Linux is an equally great platform for that. Photoshop and Fireworks are used frequently for creating web images, but not all web developers use such advanced programs for them. [QUOTE=Atokniro;26285864]Another clueless OSX nerd, I love it enjoy your empty wallet.[/QUOTE] LMAO, I don't use OS X (except at work). I don't even like Macs. You're dumb. [QUOTE=hexpunK;26295256]Clearly you haven't used either then. Or used them fully. OpenOffice is capable of everything office is and then some.[/QUOTE] This is a joke, right? Have you ever had a job? There's a reason companies aren't switching en masse to OO.o, and it's not just the cost of redeployment and training. OO.o's feature set is infinitely smaller than MS Office's is. I know that as an OSS zealot you're inclined to think that everything open-source is inherently better and more feature-ful, but you're flat-out wrong.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;26296869]Nobody (serious) uses Dreamweaver for web development. Same with Flash. Any developer worth his code is going to use a notepad-like application for development, and Linux is an equally great platform for that. Photoshop and Fireworks are used frequently for creating web images, but not all web developers use such advanced programs for them.[/QUOTE] does dreamweaver even still get released with creative suite? anyway, I'm not saying all web devs use photoshop etc. but many, at least half of the decent ones, I'm sure, do use them.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;26296869]This is a joke, right? Have you ever had a job? There's a reason companies aren't switching en masse to OO.o, and it's not just the cost of redeployment and training. OO.o's feature set is infinitely smaller than MS Office's is. I know that as an OSS zealot you're inclined to think that everything open-source is inherently better and more feature-ful, but you're flat-out wrong.[/QUOTE] Boo-fucking-hoo, I like to try alternative software. that doesn't make me flat-out wrong instantly. For the average home user, student or small business OOo is usually perfect if they cannot afford the license fees for MS Office. In a large business office is probably better in most circumstances (for one thing, you won't have to retrain your monkeys to use it). The feature st is hardly "infinitely smaller" either. I have seen roughly the exact same features in both, the only major difference is the OOo data-basing software is horrendous and MS keep changing how Word handles certain things causing compatibility issues. Not everything Open source is better, I know that much, but there are some great alternatives to commercial software if you are strapped for cash. Denying it makes you a biased moron, not everything you pay for is as good as it could be. insulting people because they like to try out alternate software enforces the fact you are a absolute fucking tool. Hint: You are probably using a open source browser right now. The one thing you didn't address. Therefore you [B]can[/B] get good Open Source software. Though I'm still calling troll on you as all I've seen you do is post baseless shit and self rate to make yourself look important. [editline]25th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=ButtsexV2;26297176]does dreamweaver even still get released with creative suite? anyway, I'm not saying all web devs use photoshop etc. but many, at least half of the decent ones, I'm sure, do use them.[/QUOTE] I believe it still is yes. Though I don't think it gets included in the big packs of CSx software.
also I do agree that OO.o is terrible, same with gimp, gnash, etc. I can't think of a whole lot of instances where commercial software bests the open-source alternatives, but these are probably the best examples.
GIMP at least is a viable alternative. It isn't the best software out there, but it can be used as a replacement for photoshop if you can't afford the stupid amounts of money needed to buy a license, even with student discounts it is a joke.
true but a lot of the skills you get from photoshop aren't transferable to gimp, and vice versa, while for example OOo is at least somewhat similar to office 2003 and earlier.
After spending a while adjusting to the GIMP pathing tools and the way it works with layers moving to photoshop caused a few issues. Luckily it isn't required we use it a college. But re-learning the bits I needed wasn't overly hard. just a waste of time.
it's mostly the menu layout that is different.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;26297195]Boo-fucking-hoo, I like to try alternative software. that doesn't make me flat-out wrong instantly.[/quote] No, but if you try to say OO.o has more features than MSO, [i]that[/i] does. [QUOTE=hexpunK;26297195] For the average home user, student or small business OOo is usually perfect if they cannot afford the license fees for MS Office. In a large business office is probably better in most circumstances (for one thing, you won't have to retrain your monkeys to use it). The feature st is hardly "infinitely smaller" either. I have seen roughly the exact same features in both, the only major difference is the OOo data-basing software is horrendous and MS keep changing how Word handles certain things causing compatibility issues. Not everything Open source is better, I know that much, but there are some great alternatives to commercial software if you are strapped for cash. Denying it makes you a biased moron, not everything you pay for is as good as it could be. insulting people because they like to try out alternate software enforces the fact you are a absolute fucking tool. Hint: You are probably using a open source browser right now. The one thing you didn't address. Therefore you [B]can[/B] get good Open Source software. Though I'm still calling troll on you as all I've seen you do is post baseless shit and self rate to make yourself look important. [/QUOTE] Woah woah woah, holy straw man, Batman. Did you see the part where I say I like and use Linux? I [b]never ever[/b] said good OSS software doesn't exist, nor have I ever insulted people merely for using OSS software. This is why I say things like "zealot", because you guys really act like it, and have this huge persecution complex that comes from seemingly nowhere. [b]No fucking shit[/b] OO.o is a more than perfect replacement for MSO for the majority (!) of people. That doesn't make it suitable for companies, and that doesn't mean it has more features than MSO, which it isn't and doesn't. And yes, I'm using Firefox right now. It's a lot better than any closed-source browser. IE blows hard (though is making huge improvements right now), Opera and Safari are competent but not for me, and sometimes I switch to Chrome (which is OSS of course). Chill out, dude.
I don't know I like using Opera on computers with limited hard drive space, don't have to have a separate IRC client, etc. installed
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;26196690]Probably going to get rated a million boxes and this post will end up in the computer illiteracy thread, but i stand up for my beliefs. I agree with Microsoft.[/QUOTE] Classic Fatty...
[QUOTE=ButtsexV2;26297627]I don't know I like using Opera on computers with limited hard drive space, don't have to have a separate IRC client, etc. installed[/QUOTE] Don't get me wrong, it's a great browser, I just don't like it (aesthetically and etc.) for a handful of reasons.
You forgot to rate yourself winner.
Right. So that is cleared up. I agree that OSS is mostly risky and useless in large business. And somehow I missed your point of you using it, but the way you post really doesn't help. It makes you come off as a massive cock, and first impressions are hard to remove, so perhaps rethink the way you start your posts to look like less of a douche for the rest of it?
[QUOTE=mrcsb;26297596]No, but if you try to say OO.o has more features than MSO, [i]that[/i] does. Woah woah woah, holy straw man, Batman. Did you see the part where I say I like and use Linux? I [b]never ever[/b] said good OSS software doesn't exist, [b][u]nor have I ever insulted people merely for using OSS software.[/u][/b] This is why I say things like "zealot", because you guys really act like it, and have this huge persecution complex that comes from seemingly nowhere. [b]No fucking shit[/b] OO.o is a more than perfect replacement for MSO for the majority (!) of people. That doesn't make it suitable for companies, and that doesn't mean it has more features than MSO, which it isn't and doesn't. And yes, I'm using Firefox right now. It's a lot better than any closed-source browser. IE blows hard (though is making huge improvements right now), Opera and Safari are competent but not for me, and sometimes I switch to Chrome (which is OSS of course). Chill out, dude.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=mrcsb;26297596] [b][u]nor have I ever insulted people merely for using OSS software.[/u][/b].[/QUOTE] [img]http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u281/nekosune1/pm.png[/img]
[QUOTE=nekosune;26297780][img_thumb]http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u281/nekosune1/pm.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Do you know what the word "merely" means? Using Linux doesn't make you a nerd. Being a clueless spergy Linux diehard zealot does. [editline]25th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Jookia;26297753]You forgot to rate yourself winner.[/QUOTE] Thanks, I cleared it up now.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;26298404]Do you know what the word "merely" means? Using Linux doesn't make you a nerd. Being a clueless spergy Linux diehard zealot does. [editline]25th November 2010[/editline] Thanks, I cleared it up now.[/QUOTE] Did you even bother to read anyone elses posts? I hate both sides going on about how much the other OS sucks, Just use each OS for what it is meant for, when it is needed, no need to have a go at either.
OKAY, I'M IN RANT MODE SO SKIP OVER THIS POST. MRCSB, YOU ARE DUMB. BMB, I HAVE SEEN YOU ACT LIKE A FAGGOT ON MANY DIFFERENT THREADS SO SHUT THE FUCK UP. WINDOWS IS FOR THE NORMAL USER WHO DOESN'T CARE WHAT THEY USE AS WELL AS IT WORKS DECENTLY WELL OSX IS FOR BEGINNERS AT COMPUTERS. LINUX IS FOR THE MAN WHO LIKES THEIR OS THE WAY THEY WANT IT. THESE ARE THE FACTS, AND EVERYONE WHO HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION SHUT THE FUCK UP. thanks.
[QUOTE=nekosune;26298476]Did you even bother to read anyone elses posts? I hate both sides going on about how much the other OS sucks, Just use each OS for what it is meant for, when it is needed, no need to have a go at either.[/QUOTE] I am, actually. If [b]you[/b]'d read anyone's posts here (at least in the time I started arguing in the thread), you'd realize [b]we're not discussing whether any OSes suck[/b]. Though you're not the first person to paint that straw main on me. Learn to form an argument before you patronize me like some sort of child. [QUOTE=wlzshroom;26299253]OKAY, I'M IN RANT MODE SO SKIP OVER THIS POST. MRCSB, YOU ARE DUMB. BMB, I HAVE SEEN YOU ACT LIKE A FAGGOT ON MANY DIFFERENT THREADS SO SHUT THE FUCK UP. WINDOWS IS FOR THE NORMAL USER WHO DOESN'T CARE WHAT THEY USE AS WELL AS IT WORKS DECENTLY WELL OSX IS FOR BEGINNERS AT COMPUTERS. LINUX IS FOR THE MAN WHO LIKES THEIR OS THE WAY THEY WANT IT. THESE ARE THE FACTS, AND EVERYONE WHO HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION SHUT THE FUCK UP. thanks.[/QUOTE] Wow, dude, learn to read. Way to be the "look at how unbiased I am!" guy when that's not even [b]remotely close[/b] to what we're talking about. How about you get the fuck out of the thread, because nobody cares what you have to say? Although if you can provide actual, thought-out reasons to why I'm "dumb", I'd love to hear them, because I've made nothing but well-formed and reasonable arguments the entire time I've been here.
[QUOTE=mrcsb;26299277]I am, actually. If [b]you[/b]'d read anyone's posts here (at least in the time I started arguing in the thread), you'd realize [b]we're not discussing whether any OSes suck[/b]. Though you're not the first person to paint that straw main on me. Learn to form an argument before you patronize me like some sort of child. Wow, dude, learn to read. Way to be the "look at how unbiased I am!" guy when that's not even [b]remotely close[/b] to what we're talking about. How about you get the fuck out of the thread, because nobody cares what you have to say? Although if you can provide actual, thought-out reasons to why I'm "dumb", I'd love to hear them, because I've made nothing but well-formed and reasonable arguments the entire time I've been here.[/QUOTE] you're being stupidly biased
[QUOTE=wlzshroom;26299419]you're being stupidly biased[/QUOTE] please explain and elaborate
Do you really have to rate your own posts?
i meant painfully dumb, sorry [editline]26th November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragy;26299496]Do you really have to rate your own posts?[/QUOTE] yes he does, it's his way of acting like his mommy is there
[QUOTE=wlzshroom;26299498]i meant painfully dumb, sorry[/QUOTE] please explain and elaborate you're being painfully vague vagueness does not make for a sound rhetorical argument (although neither does ad hominem)
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