Why do people hate Apple so? - Hardware & Software

This is why people hate Apple fans: [url]http://gizmodo.com/5847297/i-made-this-on-a-mac[/url] Read it, ALL of it, even if it can be painful to read at times. And watch how he totally disregards valid criticisms in the comments by saying basically giving a glorified "no".

I hate OSX because Finder sucks ass. I hate iPhones because they do nothing. I like my iMac because its good and fast, and it has a great screen. It's a 1000 dollar computer with a $600 screen

[QUOTE=The Baconator;32675029]This is why people hate Apple fans: [url]http://gizmodo.com/5847297/i-made-this-on-a-mac[/url] Read it, ALL of it, even if it can be painful to read at times. And watch how he totally disregards valid criticisms in the comments by saying basically giving a glorified "no".[/QUOTE] He used Macs when they were innovative though. That's the charm. Nowadays they're the shit in comparison.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;32670253]True that, my chassis is huge and made of aluminium, Corsair 800D :rock:[/QUOTE] My mac is made out of Aluminum, and it overheats to fucking 200f on the surface. FUCKING EGGS MAN! FUCKING COOKING EGGS!

Using an iPad is an absolute nightmare. Everything is so unresponsive on it and each time I load a new tab, the previous page I was on has to load again. so if I'm writing some kickass essay on Facebook and my finger slips... :suicide: . Then again, it is the only apple product I use so my opinion is biased... probably. Also, I hate most of the people who use apple, not you guys but retards who take any slight insult of Apple and over-react. Also... isn't this a debate? should it be placed in Mass Debate?

My Philosophy on Apple is anything mobile is a generally acceptable profit, though I generally prefer any give Andriod product. As for PCs... Apple essentially designs them for people who have no need of general knowledge of hardware. Is this bad? Not necessarily, but the problem remains that they CONSTANTLY over price their products. It seems to me that the argument is fully over whether or not Apple sells a bad product (which they don't), but rather about the methods by which they do.

I don't hate Apple in a philosophical "Apple products are the devil" sort of way. Not at all. What I hate is their corporate backbone that not only hurts customers, but even it's own employees. Steve Jobs was originally forced out of Apple after he founded it by the board of directors, and then he founded NeXT. Once NeXT was bought by Apple and Apple started to plummet, Steve Jobs took over as CEO and saved the company from becoming bankrupt (My teacher who has seen many a few years remembers when everyone was wondering when Apple would go bankrupt and Microsoft would buy them up). Steve Jobs was an innovator but his company is held back by corporate money-grubbing and shady business policies. Macs used to be innovative products, such as the old colourful desktops they made that had NO FANS whatsoever. Conductive Cooling, genius! Now they are just shiny pieces of aluminum at a premium price. I look at Macbooks selling for $800-$1000 and they still have Core 2 Duo processor's in them! CORE 2 DUO! I had one of those in my old desktop I sold a year ago for $300 (including a 19" monitor). My current laptop cost me $1000 and has a Core i5 + GT540M. That completely demolishes the equivalent MacBook pro or whatever. Also, I appreciate their new mantra of keeping users locked in so they don't break a product, but withholding customers from fooling with the product of their own accord is a bit dissappointing. Android is popular because users can jailbreak it through a simple menu option, they can root it and Google doesn't care. If you read the iTunes agreement, it says that you agree not to use iTunes in the manufacturing or use of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons. WHAT?! How does that make any sense. Also, your control over things bought via iTunes is limited. Say you want a Zune but you bought all your music through iTunes? Hah, nope. Not allowed. Microsoft makes Microsoft Office for Mac, why can't iTunes have music available for all platforms? But that would lose Apple money, so that's not allowed. With the loss of Steve Jobs, I'm not sure if I see a bright future for the company. The company was half innovation, half corporate sleaze. It's certainly not Steve Job's fault for the sleazy tactics forced by the shareholders and the board of directors, but it's certainly a shame. I greatly miss Steve Jobs, but should Apple fade away, I would certainly not be very sad. They already lost the innovator of our time, and unless someone should pick up the mantle, we're just gonna be paying large amounts of money for the same shiny pieces of aluminum. That's my two bits. P.S: I also dislike the elitist attitude most people with MacBooks and iMacs have. A girl at my school tried to tell me that Macs are the best because her brand-new Mac is faster than her several year-old PC. Hmm, I wonder why. However, It's hard to tell if that's really caused by Apple or the people themselves, so I can't blame that one on Apple (yet).

[QUOTE=Tukimoshi;32685130]Also, your control over things bought via iTunes is limited. Say you want a Zune but you bought all your music through iTunes? Hah, nope. Not allowed.[/QUOTE]As long as the Zune can play .m4a files then there isn't any reason why you can't put your iTunes music on your Zune. In fact, Apple was one of the first digital music retailers that wanted to do away with DRM. [editline]8th October 2011[/editline] [url]http://www.apple.com/es/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/[/url]

If you wanted dead reliable laptops, you'd be buying enterprise versions of laptops, ie. Thinkpads, Dell Latitude, HP Elitebook. Those are going to last and will survive the drops and shocks that no Macbook will. No Macbook will have TPM or fingerprint scanner because their goal is consumers. If you want to buy something that looks nice, but is just fucking terrible in design for the hardware, go with the Macbook. If you want something distinctly understated with serious purpose and just pure performance, I would take a Thinkpad any day. [editline]8th October 2011[/editline] Thinkpad X220 is the best ultraportable on the market today. I wish I was kidding. [editline]8th October 2011[/editline] Windows security is best summed up as: Noscript, Adblock Plus, Firefox 7.0, Avast!, and Comodo. The first 3 would be installed on any computer anyway.

I hate people that say "Apple Computers are un-repairable, your hard drive dies? SOL. Pay to get it fixed. RAM dies? Pay to get that fixed." If I unscrew 8 screws on the bottom of my Macbook Pro, I have access to everything, Hard Drive, RAM, etc. I've already upgraded both my RAM and Hard Drive, it's not impossible to do.

Apple declared war against microsoft and then beat up pc like a baby.

It's because they are poor and can't afford Apple products. Obviously.

[QUOTE=advil0;32686743]I hate people that say "Apple Computers are un-repairable, your hard drive dies? SOL. Pay to get it fixed. RAM dies? Pay to get that fixed." If I unscrew 8 screws on the bottom of my Macbook Pro, I have access to everything, Hard Drive, RAM, etc. I've already upgraded both my RAM and Hard Drive, it's not impossible to do.[/QUOTE] It's not that, it's the fact that Macbook Pros have the shittiest thermal design known to man that is just plain bad, and their upgrade path is best summed up as "throw it out". This is the problem with their hardware. I could in theory keep everything but the motherboard and CPU to upgrade my CPU if I get the right upgrades, and at most, I'd be replacing a disk drive and RAM with it. My brother's laptop can upgrade the GPU if he buys an upgraded power supply. Show me a single Mac that can have it's internals upgraded to the same spec as a newer model while keeping OS X compatibility.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32690745]It's not that, it's the fact that Macbook Pros have the shittiest thermal design known to man that is just plain bad, and their upgrade path is best summed up as "throw it out". This is the problem with their hardware. I could in theory keep everything but the motherboard and CPU to upgrade my CPU if I get the right upgrades, and at most, I'd be replacing a disk drive and RAM with it. My brother's laptop can upgrade the GPU if he buys an upgraded power supply. Show me a single Mac that can have it's internals upgraded to the same spec as a newer model while keeping OS X compatibility.[/QUOTE] Macs are not designed to always use the newest hardware; they are designed for creative professionals and generic users who do not normally want to mess around with all the little things that make a PC fan boy all giddy. Most users really don't care about messing with their motherboard or CPU and will, in fact, not need to since the average update for computers rests at around three to five years per person. In three years, hardware generally progresses enough the point where it is better to get a completely new motherboard, RAM, GPU and CPU, which basically is a whole new computer minus HD, PSU, and case. Truthfully, I grew up on a mac and used windows since windows 2000 came out, but now I find that I've switched back to macs that I enjoy them much more. Yea, they aren't the newest or coolest technology, but the hardware is decent and has around the normal specs that a consumer, iMac, or professional, Mac pro, would buy get from a windows computer. Not to mention that I find the user interface way more intuitive and standardized than windows. I understand that people have concerns with the price, but the costs of designing a product with a tight integration of hardware and software - which increases performance, prevents crashes, and improves security - accounts for a majority of the price markup. Not to mention that the parts used are high quality and aesthetically pleasing and make really durable computers. Personally, I am willing to pay the higher price for my apple products since they have actually increased my productivity by around fifty percent. Also, PC = personal computers. Macs are PCs.

[QUOTE] It's not that, it's the fact that Macbook Pros have the shittiest thermal design known to man that is just plain bad, and their upgrade path is best summed up as "throw it out". This is the problem with their hardware. I could in theory keep everything but the motherboard and CPU to upgrade my CPU if I get the right upgrades, and at most, I'd be replacing a disk drive and RAM with it. My brother's laptop can upgrade the GPU if he buys an upgraded power supply. Show me a single Mac that can have it's internals upgraded to the same spec as a newer model while keeping OS X compatibility.[/QUOTE] When you buy a laptop, you shouldn't be expecting to upgrade it aside from some RAM increases and HDD switched. Personally, I keep my home computer for power and upgrading and I use my laptop for portability. Although I do think it would be nice for the macs to be upgraded easier, but I don't think its completely necessary Edit: Also, from my experience OSX requires less hardware power to run, so you don't always need the latest and greatest hardware just to keep it running smoothly

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32690745]It's not that, it's the fact that Macbook Pros have the shittiest thermal design known to man that is just plain bad, and their upgrade path is best summed up as "throw it out". This is the problem with their hardware. I could in theory keep everything but the motherboard and CPU to upgrade my CPU if I get the right upgrades, and at most, I'd be replacing a disk drive and RAM with it. My brother's laptop can upgrade the GPU if he buys an upgraded power supply. Show me a single Mac that can have it's internals upgraded to the same spec as a newer model while keeping OS X compatibility.[/QUOTE] I've never had an issue with heat on my Macbook Pro, ever. I've played the most demanding games I can throw at it for hours on end, sure it gets hot, but it has never overheated for me. I've heard some people overheat theirs, but it's a rare case that it happens as far as I know.

It depends on the model. The current top end 15 inch (quad core and some proper radeon graphics card) actually draws more power under full load than the charger can provide(85W charger and i think 90W+ power draw for that system). Cooling has never been a problem for my MBP, but it does have limits, and the absolute fastest machines do push those cooling limits.

Why do I hate Apple mac? Well they stopped lightpeak from coming to PC, they lock up iOS, they didn't release the original i-phone with video recording, 3G or copy and paste, they defend bad ideas like not supporting Flash, they bought Shake the compositing program and stopped it from working on PC, they introduce stupid words like "app" into the English language, they attack Microsoft and Google without knowing all the facts, It's very hard to take macs and i-devices apart, they run annoying ads, there is no third party support for their products and apple fans are generally ignorant and pompous.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;32696106]Why do I hate Apple mac? Well they stopped lightpeak from coming to PC, they lock up iOS, they didn't release the original i-phone with video recording, 3G or copy and paste, they defend bad ideas like not supporting Flash, they bought Shake the compositing program and stopped it from working on PC, they introduce stupid words like "app" into the English language, they attack Microsoft and Google without knowing all the facts, It's very hard to take macs and i-devices apart, they run annoying ads, there is no third party support for their products and apple fans are generally ignorant and pompous.[/QUOTE] Lightpeak is coming to PCs, and even if it wasn't it would only hurt Apple, as they wouldn't get the third-party support they need. They get that third-party support with their proprietary connector on the mobile devices, but they have a much larger market share than their Macs. "App" is short for applications, whether you like it or not, languages gets modified all the time. I'm not fond of the word, but it's not a reason to hate Apple, really. They definitely/probably know all the facts about Google and Microsoft, but they like to twist them a bit to make themselves look better. It's not better in the slightest, but they're not stupid. They do run very annoying ads, and I really would like them to stop. Sadly it seems that they're working, so they probably won't. The original iPhone didn't come with those things, but that's not really a reason to hate them now. They're trying to get rid of flash because it really isn't that fantastic, but they're definitely doing it in a very stupid way. I don't like Apple, but that's not really good arguments.

I only hate most Apple fans, not Apple. Some day I asked a (hardcore Apple fan) friend if I should get a Samsung Galaxy SII or an iPhone 4. He answered: [QUOTE]"It is dumb to even ask that! iPhone 4, obviously."[/QUOTE] I did some quick searches and asked here on Facepunch, and then replied, I will shorten the conversation here: [QUOTE]"I did some searches, and the SGSII is much better now, it is more customizable and more powerful, there is a design flaw on the SGSII though, it can easily break because of the button placed in the glass." "The design flaw on Samsung products is the existence of its products." "Not really, that button is the only problem." "No way. iPhone 4 is and always will be better. It is a thousand times more beautiful, powerful, and most important of all,[B] it is an Apple product, it has an apple in the back, what is more awesome than that, dude? *-*[/B]"[/QUOTE] Then I just said to myself "Fuck" and blocked him on MSN.

I've tried a Mac before, and I didn't really have any problem with it... The only thing I didn't like was the difference between a Windows' mouse (two buttons) and a Mac's mouse (one button). I wouldn't really HATE it, but it's weird to use it with a single button on the touch pad. :/ If I were to get my hands on any kind of computer (linux, windows, mac, others) I'd still be happy!

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;32698751]Lightpeak is coming to PCs, and even if it wasn't it would only hurt Apple, as they wouldn't get the third-party support they need. They get that third-party support with their proprietary connector on the mobile devices, but they have a much larger market share than their Macs. "App" is short for applications, whether you like it or not, languages gets modified all the time. I'm not fond of the word, but it's not a reason to hate Apple, really. They definitely/probably know all the facts about Google and Microsoft, but they like to twist them a bit to make themselves look better. It's not better in the slightest, but they're not stupid. They do run very annoying ads, and I really would like them to stop. Sadly it seems that they're working, so they probably won't. The original iPhone didn't come with those things, but that's not really a reason to hate them now. They're trying to get rid of flash because it really isn't that fantastic, but they're definitely doing it in a very stupid way. I don't like Apple, but that's not really good arguments.[/QUOTE] Well I'm sorry that I didn't meet your approval. :suicide:

[QUOTE=Treevis121;32702964]I've tried a Mac before, and I didn't really have any problem with it... The only thing I didn't like was the difference between a Windows' mouse (two buttons) and a Mac's mouse (one button). I wouldn't really HATE it, but it's weird to use it with a single button on the touch pad. :/ If I were to get my hands on any kind of computer (linux, windows, mac, others) I'd still be happy![/QUOTE] Macs have had right clicking for like 5-6 years now, touchpads can easily do it, and all of their modern mice can do it too.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;32708308]Well I'm sorry that I didn't meet your approval. :suicide:[/QUOTE] The GoDong-DK Seal of Approval™ is trademarked by GoDong-DK Corp. Any unliscensed use is strictly forbidden, and may result in procecution in federal court.

[QUOTE=advil0;32708387]Macs have had right clicking for like 5-6 years now, touchpads can easily do it, and all of their modern mice can do it too.[/QUOTE] I really want to know why you have to press control to right click as default. Why do that?

[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32710671]I really want to know why you have to press control to right click as default. Why do that?[/QUOTE] This is slightly off topic, but did Apple kill your family? Any time I see you post it's about Apple and how awful they are.

It's just a question.

The post wasn't about the question, it was about you, and me wondering why you even bother coming into Apple threads if you obviously blindly hate the company. Actually nevermind, I've just noticed you're an alt of chrishind10. That explains a lot.

[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;32710671]I really want to know why you have to press control to right click as default. Why do that?[/QUOTE] You can also two finger click on a trackpad, or right click if you have an actual mouse plugged in. If you are complaining that it's ctrl as the modifier, then fair enough. It's one of the few keyboard commands you can't change in OS X for some reason

[QUOTE=Dr Egg;32718854]You can also two finger click on a trackpad, or right click if you have an actual mouse plugged in. If you are complaining that it's ctrl as the modifier, then fair enough. It's one of the few keyboard commands you can't change in OS X for some reason[/QUOTE] It just seemed a little odd that the magic mouse which is entirely capable of independant right click is prevented from doing so by default.