Why do people hate Apple so? - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=B!N4RY;32104182]I'm more interested in why this thread is still not locked than the 90% of the bias comments made by [B]fanboys[/B] from both parties in this thread at this point.[/QUOTE] That's just the thing, I use what most devs support. Fact is, Windows has the most apps. Heck it has a monapoly over the PC game department, and a huge market share in various businesses (hosptials for example) I don't think anyone on FP really cares for Windows necessarily, We would all be using Linux or FreeBSD if they had all the devs from Windows on it (no Whine is not a practical solution).

I never said none of you guys had valid points, neither did I call all of you fanboys. However, points made in this thread are largely by fanboys with bias opinions that they think are facts.

I'm quite proud of the fact I'm unbiased to both PC and macs, I think they are both awesome in different respects. I think apple make great products, but the fact their prices are out of whack with other products annoys me. Anything else I'd say would just be repeating what others have already said in this thread. The major gripe I have with them is how they purposely delay their technology over years so they can release an iphone next year saying "now with a feature a lot of other phones have had for years but we claim this one to be magical and revolutionary! check cut copy and paste out, isnt it magical?" PC's also have loads of downfalls in comparison, but this is a thread about Apple so yar. I had an imac last year, it was a great computer but I could never get used to it, so I sold it for less than I bought it for and bought a PC which was a lot faster, still ran all the programs I wanted to run and played games! (yes, i know the macs can play games, but you have to pay a hell of a lot more to do so at the same level a cheaper pc can) If I wasn't a gamer, I'd probably stick with the mac simply because of aesthetics, how quiet it was and the size/quality (seriously, the display on the 28 inch imac is [I]incredible[/I]) of the display, apart from the obvious that the software was alright, just not for me personally. Also: [img]http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/smartphone/10.png[/img]

Hardware. Hardware hardware hardware. I would gladly use OSX over Windows if the initial cost of the OS wasn't $1200+, or if running it on my existing rig didn't require tricking the installer into thinking it was a Mac.

Mac is great for multimedia purposes. Linux is awesome for servers. But if you want to be a hardcore gamer/do other shit then Windows is the way to go. Just my 2 cents.

Games aren't everything. . . . In terms of gaming, sure, you would probably want to go with a PC so that you can further upgrade your graphics and whatever if you need to. I bought a Macbook pro 13" for recording. To say the least, It works unbelievably well. A few weeks ago I decided to get Steam just for the hell of it, to see if I could return to my beloved Garrys Mod. I was surprised. The graphics aren't desensitizing status, but it looks GOOD. I can run Counter strike, tf2 and Garry's mod and the computer handles everything quite well. I used to hate on Mac just because they are so popular and I hate the way they advertise with the "pc vs mac" commercials. I used to hate on the Beatles as well for being so popular until I actually listened to their music :tinfoil: PC is the leading brand for gaming. So of course, if you ask most people on this forum, they'll say that Macs aren't the best for gaming. But the reality is, Mac is the industry standard for much of everything else. You can do anything with computers. If you know what you're doing , you can have just as much success with a Mac than a PC or vise versa. They are both great machines, Mac is just a bit more refined and shiny.

[QUOTE=Hooky;32106853]Games aren't everything. . . . In terms of gaming, sure, you would probably want to go with a PC so that you can further upgrade your graphics and whatever if you need to. I bought a Macbook pro 13" for recording. To say the least, It works unbelievably well. A few weeks ago I decided to get Steam just for the hell of it, to see if I could return to my beloved Garrys Mod. I was surprised. The graphics aren't desensitizing status, but it looks GOOD. I can run Counter strike, tf2 and Garry's mod and the computer handles everything quite well. I used to hate on Mac just because they are so popular and I hate the way they advertise with the "pc vs mac" commercials. I used to hate on the Beatles as well for being so popular until I actually listened to their music :tinfoil: [B]PC is the leading brand for gaming. So of course, if you ask most people on this forum, they'll say that Macs aren't the best for gaming. But the reality is, Mac is the industry standard for much of everything else. [/B] You can do anything with computers. If you know what you're doing , you can have just as much success with a Mac than a PC or vise versa. They are both great machines, Mac is just a bit more refined and shiny.[/QUOTE] Back that bit up with some actual sources, rather than just spouting it like fact. If I claimed that Windows was the industry standard in say, supercomputing, I would go out and find that, but as it isn't, I would be hard pressed :v: Every office environment, Windows. Every development environment, largely Windows, with a bit of OS X and Linux throw in sometimes. A lot of design environments, mostly Mac, due to their lie of "Photoshop works better!!!". Engineering environments, probably Windows too. Schools, Windows! I've been around these environments multiple times, both work experience and while at college. It's interesting to see what some people think of the OS they are using in those departments, some people in the artsy areas of the college despised Mac OS, but used it as that was pretty much all they had. Windows [B]is[/B] the industry standard in almost everything. And the only way it's going to loose that is if Mac OS starts supporting more hardware and shipping in more OEMs, or Linux starts becoming more standardized and less of a ass to work with for beginners.

I mostly dislike Apple for their overpriced products and their poorly veiled corporative douchebaggery. What I do like about Macs and iPhones is their aesthetics and durability. But it's still not worth paying more than double for the same performance and features. I love my iPod Touch though, as much as I hate the bloated and restrictive piece of shit iTunes.

[QUOTE=WingedAssailant;32102949]o rly? one of my media teachers failed me because i refused to use the macs and imovie and instead used Windows, After effects and sony vegas and did a way better ob then everyone else in the class.[/QUOTE] Yes, one teacher is the equivalent of EVERYONE that owns a mac. Teachers are always like this. I almost flunked a sound-mixing class because I wanted to use Logic instead of ProTools. [editline]4th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;32107670]Back that bit up with some actual sources, rather than just spouting it like fact. If I claimed that Windows was the industry standard in say, supercomputing, I would go out and find that, but as it isn't, I would be hard pressed :v: Every office environment, Windows. Every development environment, largely Windows, with a bit of OS X and Linux throw in sometimes. A lot of design environments, mostly Mac, due to their lie of "Photoshop works better!!!". Engineering environments, probably Windows too. Schools, Windows! I've been around these environments multiple times, both work experience and while at college. It's interesting to see what some people think of the OS they are using in those departments, some people in the artsy areas of the college despised Mac OS, but used it as that was pretty much all they had. Windows [B]is[/B] the industry standard in almost everything. And the only way it's going to loose that is if Mac OS starts supporting more hardware and shipping in more OEMs, or Linux starts becoming more standardized and less of a ass to work with for beginners.[/QUOTE] Have you ever been to sound/recording studios and the likes? Mac's are standard there. At the local media school where I live, they have Mac Pro's everywhere and they are all given macbooks.

[QUOTE=Thaard;32108512]Yes, one teacher is the equivalent of EVERYONE that owns a mac. Teachers are always like this. I almost flunked a sound-mixing class because I wanted to use Logic instead of ProTools. [editline]4th September 2011[/editline] LOL, so gay Have you ever been to sound studios and the likes? Mac's are standard there. At the local media school where I live, they have Mac Pro's everywhere.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thaard;32108512]Have you ever been to sound/recording studios and the likes? Mac's are standard there. At the local media school where I live, they have Mac Pro's everywhere and they are all given macbooks.[/QUOTE] I did mention the more artsy areas having Macs. If you'd bothered to read the post. Music, design, etc all used Macs mostly at my college. And in most other places I had seen.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;32108988]I did mention the more artsy areas having Macs. If you'd bothered to read the post. Music, design, etc all used Macs mostly at my college. And in most other places I had seen.[/QUOTE] Artsy schmartsy. I've been to the recording rooms at the national TV-studios(where they record foley sounds, music and the likes), and they all use Mac Pro's. I don't think those corporations buy macs so they can go "Hey, I'm using a mac because I'm artsy!". They use them because they are reliable.

[QUOTE=Thaard;32109187]Artsy schmartsy. I've been to the recording rooms at the national TV-studios(where they record foley sounds, music and the likes), and they all use Mac Pro's. I don't think those corporations buy macs so they can go "Hey, I'm using a mac because I'm artsy!". They use them because they are reliable.[/QUOTE] Spot on. PCfags dont seem to understand the fact that Mac is more reliable than Windows. It might not seem so important point for most Mac haters, but the reality is that if your machine crashes in a middle of a recording process because of an irrelevant .exe malfunction etc, you are screwed.

I love my apple products but it sure does not help anyone when they keep pulling shit like this [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1122717[/url] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1122632[/url] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1122061[/url] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1122179[/url] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1121776[/url]

[QUOTE=Logic Studio;32109880]Spot on. [B]PCfags[/B] dont seem to understand the fact that Mac is more reliable than Windows. It might not seem so important point for most Mac haters, but the reality is that if your machine crashes in a middle of a recording process because of an irrelevant .exe malfunction etc, you are screwed.[/QUOTE] Not helping your argument. The exact same way it doesn't help people when they use Macfag. And Windows isn't the most reliable OS in the world, no. But it would randomly crash if people actually took care of their computers, and paid attention to what they were downloading. If a program crashes on Windows from a certain event, there's a good chance it would crash on Mac OS too. That's just shoddy programming, not the OS itself. Though thanks to some shoddy drivers here and there for obscure/ old hardware, system stability on Windows is always a bit odd.

my mbp has been more reliable than any pc I have used to be honest

[QUOTE=Logic Studio;32109880]Spot on. PCfags dont seem to understand the fact that Mac is more reliable than Windows. It might not seem so important point for most Mac haters, but the reality is that if your machine crashes in a middle of a recording process because of an irrelevant .exe malfunction etc, you are screwed.[/QUOTE] Wow, yeah now I remember, you're that obnoxious guy from some other thread. As hexpunK said, calling people pcfags isn't helping your argument at all. Almost never have I had a program crash out of fucking nothing. [editline]4th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Thaard;32109187]Artsy schmartsy. I've been to the recording rooms at the national TV-studios(where they record foley sounds, music and the likes), and they all use Mac Pro's. I don't think those corporations buy macs so they can go "Hey, I'm using a mac because I'm artsy!". They use them because they are reliable.[/QUOTE] Mac has been the industry standard in that kind of thing, and thus people have been taught using Mac when editing or whatever, and that way they'll of course think of it as easier. Nobody ever said office or whatever is better on windows, but people use it because, well, that's what they have been working with. [editline]4th September 2011[/editline] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1122632[/url] Yeah, this is probably one of the reason people hate Apple. [editline]4th September 2011[/editline] And fucking this as well: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1121776[/url]

I dont use macs because of the price + i got games and programs that i can't run on mac.

[QUOTE=Logic Studio;32109880]Spot on. PCfags dont seem to understand the fact that Mac is more reliable than Windows. It might not seem so important point for most Mac haters, but the reality is that if your machine crashes in a middle of a recording process because of an irrelevant .exe malfunction etc, you are screwed.[/QUOTE] my computer has never crashed

I've owned an iPod nano 8gb. Loved it only had one problem with it and that was a bug in cover flow that was easily fixed within less than a minute. I now own an iPhone 4 32gb I can't see me myself using another phone for a good while. Yeah I'm not into the whole messing with my phone and I don't really see what's great about android never looked into it. I already chose what phone I wanted. I've used a mac but I don't see myself ever buying one. I will always use a PC because I've grown up working with them and of course because hardware is flexible. Plus gaming is a joy on my PC But all in all. Mac does now use steam so it does have a gaming audience. Yeah, it didn't to start with but it does now. It boils down to what people prefer. Most of the people posting are either fan boys or haters.

I'd be impressed if you manage to make Windows crash, that argument has been dead and gone ever since Windows NT based Windows has been the de facto standard operating system for both consumers and business.

[QUOTE=Thaard;32109187]Artsy schmartsy. I've been to the recording rooms at the national TV-studios(where they record foley sounds, music and the likes), and they all use Mac Pro's. I don't think those corporations buy macs so they can go "Hey, I'm using a mac because I'm artsy!". They use them because they are reliable.[/QUOTE] Most of the TV stations around here have PCs running XP in the shot whenever there is a computer from the studio on camera. Both platforms have the software and stability to do media recordings/all that shit, Macs are just more well known for it because that's what they advertised themselves as for a large part of their history, and funnily enough, a lot of that has to do with Adobe and Apple, Adobe really brought Apple to where it is today as a so-called "creative standard" and not Apple seems to despise them, their latest OS broke almost everything Adobe makes in some way, and considering Adobe CS is practically the universal standard for media and digital design, that's a terrible move for the "creative" platform. What I really don't get is, for the same price of that Mac, that you say you got for "creative stuff," like audio/video editing and digital art, you could have gotten a PC with equivalent hardware and been able to afford professional-level software for all that shit, software that is industry standard, tried and tested to be functioning and high quality, and is better than any OEM software on EITHER platform. Windows is reliable, it's stable, and it's easy to use and familiar. Ir's generally a cheaper option, meaning you can get better software to facilitate the reason you were going to buy a Mac in the first place. I don't get why people pay all that extra money for a glowing logo and an OS with limited software and overpriced hardware when they could get premium software AND equivalent hardware for the same price from a different company/OS, which supports far more applications/software.

[url]http://blog.amahi.org/2011/06/21/apple-hits-amahi-with-a-cease-and-desist-wait-what/[/url] This its why. Going after an open source project over that?

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;32117277]Most of the TV stations around here have PCs running XP in the shot whenever there is a computer from the studio on camera. Both platforms have the software and stability to do media recordings/all that shit, Macs are just more well known for it because that's what they advertised themselves as for a large part of their history, and funnily enough, a lot of that has to do with Adobe and Apple, Adobe really brought Apple to where it is today as a so-called "creative standard" and not Apple seems to despise them, their latest OS broke almost everything Adobe makes in some way, and considering Adobe CS is practically the universal standard for media and digital design, that's a terrible move for the "creative" platform. What I really don't get is, for the same price of that Mac, that you say you got for "creative stuff," like audio/video editing and digital art, you could have gotten a PC with equivalent hardware and been able to afford professional-level software for all that shit, software that is industry standard, tried and tested to be functioning and high quality, and is better than any OEM software on EITHER platform. Windows is reliable, it's stable, and it's easy to use and familiar. Ir's generally a cheaper option, meaning you can get better software to facilitate the reason you were going to buy a Mac in the first place. I don't get why people pay all that extra money for a glowing logo and an OS with limited software and overpriced hardware when they could get premium software AND equivalent hardware for the same price from a different company/OS, which supports far more applications/software.[/QUOTE] That's weird, since I had million problems when I last used a windows computer. It was a Dell laptop with XP(first) and Vista. It broke down each month and only lasted for 2 years. They don't buy it because it only is pretty. It IS more stable and streamlined than Windows(once you get used to it). Every piece of hardware is tailored for the OS. That's why the hardware is 1 year behind. You get all the updates you need in one package, so you don't need to traipse around the internet from random sites and download drivers each time there is a new one. The other thing is that if you're doing video editing or audio editing, you don't want million other programs running in the background, which I feel Windows does each time I start up. I can agree that the hardware is overpriced, but you're basically paying for a brand so what can you do? I gotta ask you, have you ever tried using a Mac for video and audio-editing? Even the angry video game nerd uses mac for video editing. Also, theres always trouble when there's a new OS being released. I haven't bought Lion, since I'll wait until it gets more updates, so I don't really know, but I heard they fixed those Adobe errors?

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32116571]I'd be impressed if you manage to make Windows crash, that argument has been dead and gone ever since Windows NT based Windows has been the de facto standard operating system for both consumers and business.[/QUOTE] I can't even get my PC to sleep consistently, without it either only putting the monitor to sleep, or just turning on at random throughout the night. I still get BSODs in the odd game and my WiFi needs to be replugged in after I wake my PC up. I'm not an idiot with computers, and I've managed my own PC for years before I even got a Mac. I don't buy into the argument that Windows is inherently unstable, but I really do not buy these arguments that it's either crash proof or that people have gone 10 years without a BSOD. My hardware isn't esoteric at all but my reliability score is around 5/10. My Mac gets the occasional freeze/kernel panic too, but nothing like I've had with my PC (which runs Windows 7, and before that Vista) [editline]4th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;32117673][URL]http://blog.amahi.org/2011/06/21/apple-hits-amahi-with-a-cease-and-desist-wait-what/[/URL] This its why. Going after an open source project over that?[/QUOTE] As the article says, Apple wants to trademark "App Store", and you need to show you are prepared to protect the brand by doing things such as this. It's the same reason why Adobe refuses to recognise the term "Photoshopping" and Disney sends Ceast & Desist letters to nurserys who paint pictures of Mickey Mouse for the kids. If you don't protect your trademark, it becomes public domain and anyone can use it.

Things they do right: - [B]User-friendly operating systems[/B]: Both their desktop OS and mobile OS work incredibly well, are stable, and are user friendly. I've had my Droid crash on my ass countless times, in addition to having all sorts of bugs that really irritate me. My iPod touch and any iPhones I've used have no problems of that sort. For their desktop OS, it's just a much nicer end-user experience. Sure, it might make operating a computer easier for people who just need to get shit done and aren't well-versed, but who cares? I'd work on OS X over Windows [i]any day whatsoever[/i]. I've never had OS X crash on me. Windows, not so much. - [B]Product design[/B]: Okay, don't discount this - their products look nice and are well built. My Macbook Pro doesn't feel clunky or anything else, while a lot of other laptops I've used are just a little bit bulky or the like. I know this isn't true for every machine, but it certainly is a positive trait to their products. You can't deny that the iPhone isn't designed well (sans that stupid reception issue with the hand placement, but whatever.) - [B]Advertising[/B]: Hey, they're really good at it. They've molded an image and it's what a lot of people buy their shit for. Not that I give two shits but they're good at it. Things I dislike them for: - [B]Sleazy business tactics[/B]: Don't even get me started. They're assholes when it comes to suing etc. - [B]Pricing[/B]: Oh come ON, all of the things they manufacture could probably be sold at half cost and still turn a reasonable profit for Apple. - [B]Closed systems[/B]: This really pisses me off. Particularly with iOS, Apple wants complete control over every single thing that goes on the device and they want a profit from that as well. App store, alright I understand it for ease of use. However, they're far too limiting and that really irritates me. However, I guess you sacrifice customization for stability. [B]TLDR[/B]: They make good shit for the end user that's too expensive and closed off. They're a large corporate asshole like everyone else.

I agree with you 100% on everything but this:[QUOTE=Galago;32118461]- [B]Pricing[/B]: Oh come ON, all of the things they manufacture could probably be sold at half cost and still turn a reasonable profit for Apple.[/QUOTE]Now I will admit the MacBook Pro, iMac, and Mac Pro are overpriced if you stack them against a similarly spec'd windows computer. However, the iPad, iPhone, Mac Mini, and MacBook Air are very competitively priced and in the Air's case a better deal then almost every netbook out there.

[QUOTE=Dr Egg;32117815]I can't even get my PC to sleep consistently, without it either only putting the monitor to sleep, or just turning on at random throughout the night. I still get BSODs in the odd game and my WiFi needs to be replugged in after I wake my PC up. I'm not an idiot with computers, and I've managed my own PC for years before I even got a Mac. I don't buy into the argument that Windows is inherently unstable, but I really do not buy these arguments that it's either crash proof or that people have gone 10 years without a BSOD. My hardware isn't esoteric at all but my reliability score is around 5/10. My Mac gets the occasional freeze/kernel panic too, but nothing like I've had with my PC (which runs Windows 7, and before that Vista)[/QUOTE] PC unable to sleep means that something on USB is making it wake up, BSODs mean either your hardware has driver issues or something is overheating/dying, and if WiFi needs to be restarted then that's a peripheral problem. All of these issues can show up in Mac OS X. [editline]4th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Galago;32118461]Things they do right: - [B]User-friendly operating systems[/B]: Both their desktop OS and mobile OS work incredibly well, are stable, and are user friendly. I've had my Droid crash on my ass countless times, in addition to having all sorts of bugs that really irritate me.[/QUOTE] Android is great up until carriers fuck with it and add a metric fuck-ton of pointless bullshit on top of it. The simple solution is to root your phone and it'll be fine.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32119441] [editline]4th September 2011[/editline] Android is great up until carriers fuck with it and add a metric fuck-ton of pointless bullshit on top of it. The simple solution is to root your phone and it'll be fine.[/QUOTE]Rooting is a solution yeah, you could know 10 people who have the same phone as you, if everyone roots it and goes for different ROMs/launchers they can have quite different looking phones. The problem with rooting is that while the ROMs may be pretty stable (after a dozen updated versions) they still lack the polish Apple have on their idevices. The average consumer wants a phone than works well out of the box, and you tell them about rooting their phone, they'll think "LOL WAT NERD." I've flashed the hell out of my HD2 and went through a couple of ROMS already on my Galaxy S II. Hope I can settle for this, as I'd see Apple as the overpriced but just works out of the box approach.

I just hate the radical fanboys. It's like their thoughts for everything is "This doesn't have a partially eaten fruit on it, I REFUSE TO BUY"