Why do people hate Apple so? - Hardware & Software

[QUOTE=Political Gamer;32118853]I agree with you 100% on everything but this:Now I will admit the MacBook Pro, iMac, and Mac Pro are overpriced if you stack them against a similarly spec'd windows computer. However, the iPad, iPhone, Mac Mini, and MacBook Air are very competitively priced and in [B]the Air's case a better deal then almost every netbook out there[/B].[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/category/netbooks/28357.aspx?path=0a340d97227c55994981bdb565e6c352en01[/url] Netbooks starting from $179. [B]$179[/B] You're telling me that you think a [url=http://store.apple.com/ca/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_air/select?mco=MjMzOTQxMjE]THOUSAND FUCKING DOLLAR NETBOOK[/url] is worth the cash? That shit's 6-8 times more expensive than the average netbook people buy, there's no way it's worth that much when you compare it to all the other netbooks available. If you're looking for a dual-core netbook with an SSD, you can probably get one comparable to the Air for $500, and even that's pricey for a netbook, and that's still half the damn cost. If anything, the Air is the most overpriced of all the Apple products, when you actually compare it to the cost for other netbooks. It's absolutely insane, and nowhere NEAR competitively priced. [QUOTE=Thaard;32117686]That's weird, since I had million problems when I last used a windows computer. It was a Dell laptop with XP(first) and Vista. It broke down each month and only lasted for 2 years. They don't buy it because it only is pretty. It IS more stable and streamlined than Windows(once you get used to it). Every piece of hardware is tailored for the OS. That's why the hardware is 1 year behind. You get all the updates you need in one package, so you don't need to traipse around the internet from random sites and download drivers each time there is a new one. The other thing is that if you're doing video editing or audio editing, you don't want million other programs running in the background, which I feel Windows does each time I start up. I can agree that the hardware is overpriced, but you're basically paying for a brand so what can you do? I gotta ask you, have you ever tried using a Mac for video and audio-editing? Even the angry video game nerd uses mac for video editing. Also, theres always trouble when there's a new OS being released. I haven't bought Lion, since I'll wait until it gets more updates, so I don't really know, but I heard they fixed those Adobe errors?[/QUOTE] Not at all, ever since XP Windows has been incredibly stable and streamlined, and stability has only improved with Vista and 7. Also, Dells suck, terrible piles of locked-down and unmodifiable crap who expect you to let them do everything for you in terms of service and maintenance, even after the warranty, which gets expensive. XP is still one of, if not the, most widely used OS, especially in educational and business environments because of how supportive and stable it is.

[QUOTE=Thaard;32117686]That's weird, since [B]I had million problems when I last used a windows computer.[/B] It was a Dell laptop with XP(first) and Vista. It broke down each month and only lasted for 2 years. They don't buy it because it only is pretty. It IS more stable and streamlined than Windows(once you get used to it). Every piece of hardware is tailored for the OS. That's why the hardware is 1 year behind. You get all the updates you need in one package, so you don't need to traipse around the internet from random sites and download drivers each time there is a new one. The other thing is that if you're doing video editing or audio editing, you don't want million other programs running in the background, which I feel Windows does each time I start up. I can agree that the hardware is overpriced, but you're basically paying for a brand so what can you do? I gotta ask you, have you ever tried using a Mac for video and audio-editing? Even the angry video game nerd uses mac for video editing. Also, theres always trouble when there's a new OS being released. I haven't bought Lion, since I'll wait until it gets more updates, so I don't really know, but I heard they fixed those Adobe errors?[/QUOTE] So you're on Facepunch and you don't even PC game? What even is this website for anymore?

I love how this discussion suppposedly about why people hate Apple, yet it turns into an OS discussion in .5 seconds. Anyhow, I pretty much posted the reason why people hates Apple on this page, and nobody has responded in any way. This tells me that people either was to lazy to check the link out, or that they actually understand why people don't like Apple, and don't really want to aknowledge it. For me it has nothing to do with their OS, simply something about their business and advertising tactics, and I think the large part in this discussion will agree. Apple is just starting to do what Microsoft did ten years ago, and people hated Microsoft then, too. Microsoft is now the company that doesn't really have a problem with people jailbreaking their OS, other than saying that it's their own responsebility if they brick the device. They allow hacking the kinect and so forth, and are generally a much "nicer" company now.

[QUOTE=Dr Egg;32117815] As the article says, Apple wants to trademark "App Store", and you need to show you are prepared to protect the brand by doing things such as this. It's the same reason why Adobe refuses to recognise the term "Photoshopping" and Disney sends Ceast & Desist letters to nurserys who paint pictures of Mickey Mouse for the kids. If you don't protect your trademark, it becomes public domain and anyone can use it.[/QUOTE] Trademarking the term "App Store" is just too generic, but that's not an argument I want to get into. At least the Amahi guys have a sense of humor though, if you go to their front page and keep refreshing you see things like "A** Store" and "Tienda de Apps"

[QUOTE=The Baconator;32122732]So you're on Facepunch and you don't even PC game? What even is this website for anymore?[/QUOTE] Actually, I'm building myself a gaming rig, so I will be pretty soon. When Battlefield 3 gets released. Gaming on a mac is impossible. For everything else, I got my ps3.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32102863] Why is it that auto-rotate is hidden in the weirdest fucking place that I would never expect it to be, along with the on-screen media controls? Why do I need to go through the [B]multi-tasking menu[/B] to shut down programs I'm not using, why not have it do it for me? On the same point, why do I have to shut down each individual application? Why can't the damn thing have a "kill all" button so I don't have to look like a retard hitting the same spot for 10-20 seconds?[/QUOTE] Are you talking about the iPhone here? Because I've never heard of or seen a multitasking menu, where is it?

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32119441]PC unable to sleep means that something on USB is making it wake up, BSODs mean either your hardware has driver issues or something is overheating/dying, and if WiFi needs to be restarted then that's a peripheral problem. All of these issues can show up in Mac OS X.[/QUOTE] Sure, but for me they aren't. My PC is 3 years old (save for my graphics card which is about 2 months old), but temps are fine, and checking the log indicates no USB devices caused it to wake up (or indeed are able to wake it up). Hardware failing might be an issue, but that it is so sporadic makes me think not. [editline]5th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;32122473][url]http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/category/netbooks/28357.aspx?path=0a340d97227c55994981bdb565e6c352en01[/url] Netbooks starting from $179. [B]$179[/B] You're telling me that you think a [url=http://store.apple.com/ca/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_air/select?mco=MjMzOTQxMjE]THOUSAND FUCKING DOLLAR NETBOOK[/url] is worth the cash? That shit's 6-8 times more expensive than the average netbook people buy, there's no way it's worth that much when you compare it to all the other netbooks available. If you're looking for a dual-core netbook with an SSD, you can probably get one comparable to the Air for $500, and even that's pricey for a netbook, and that's still half the damn cost. If anything, the Air is the most overpriced of all the Apple products, when you actually compare it to the cost for other netbooks. It's absolutely insane, and nowhere NEAR competitively priced.[/QUOTE] You realise even OEMs themselves are complaining they can't make Macbook Air like products for as cheap as Apple can (and yet Apple maintains a 30% profit margin on their Macs generally), and are asking Intel to both drop their CPU prices, and give them a $100 rebate on the CPUs. Netbooks =/= thin and light laptops (or ultrabooks or whatever you want to calm them). You can buy a Netbook cheaper sure, but a Macbook Air isn't a netbook.

They took unix and fucked it in the ass and asked others to watch for money. I have an iPhone still at this point because it's easy mode, I don't have to worry about fucking up a root kit or whatever you do with an android phone all I have to worry about is not pressing to update button in iTunes in the few times a month I add new songs to it (At&t unlocked in Canada). I want to actually but a Mac-Book Air not because of the adds or the software (I actually plan to dual boot with Ubuntu) I want a laptop without the fancy shit all over it. All I want from my laptop is a headphone port a good battery and a single usb port so I can store shit. So if I can have all that in a piece of metal a little larger then a children's book with an i5 so be it.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32119441]Android is great up until carriers fuck with it and add a metric fuck-ton of pointless bullshit on top of it. The simple solution is to root your phone and it'll be fine.[/QUOTE] Phones like the Nexus One and S show even stock Android has a long way to go to match the polish of iOS. It's certainly better than the awful stuff some OEMs add (and carriers in some places), but it's not great out the box. Also rooting is not a solution. It never was and it will never be.

They sell their computers at ridiculously high prices. Computers that can't be upgraded, modified, or fixed if it breaks. Also, they keep the ventilation fans and CD drive at a very low capped speed, which makes the Apple nice and quiet. This inadvertently has the effect of causing them to overheat easily. [editline]5th September 2011[/editline] But god damn are their products attractive looking.

[QUOTE=Logic Studio;32109880]Spot on. PCfags dont seem to understand the fact that Mac is more reliable than Windows. It might not seem so important point for most Mac haters, but the reality is that if your machine crashes in a middle of a recording process because of an irrelevant .exe malfunction etc, you are screwed.[/QUOTE] Oh go and have a kernel panic.

They like to repackage old features as their own.

Whenever somebody tries to sell me an Apple product... sorry I mean, whenever I discuss computers with an Apple user, I always get the impression that they haven't seen a PC since the 90s. The things they say the Macs do/don't do in relation to PCs, are things that every PC that I've used for the last 5 years do/don't do. Also this: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1122632[/url] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1122717[/url] etc...

[QUOTE=Dr Egg;32124757]Phones like the Nexus One and S show even stock Android has a long way to go to match the polish of iOS. It's certainly better than the awful stuff some OEMs add (and carriers in some places), but it's not great out the box. Also rooting is not a solution. It never was and it will never be.[/QUOTE] The Nexus S is smooth as fuck, and it's pretty much the same CPU as the iPhone 4.

[QUOTE=Logic Studio;32109880]Spot on. PCfags dont seem to understand the fact that Mac is more reliable than Windows. It might not seem so important point for most Mac haters, but the reality is that if your machine crashes in a middle of a recording process because of an irrelevant .exe malfunction etc, you are screwed.[/QUOTE] you're an idiot You might've been right when windows XP and lower were the standard for PCs but if if Windows 7 crashes without you fucking around with stuff integral to the operation of the system then it's pretty much always going to be a hardware problem. Which would affect macs as well.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;32125496]The Nexus S is smooth as fuck, and it's pretty much the same CPU as the iPhone 4.[/QUOTE] Except not underclocked.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;32125496]The Nexus S is smooth as fuck, and it's pretty much the same CPU as the iPhone 4.[/QUOTE] It's not though. It has the same Hummingbird core, yet iOS is just plain smoother. It's very slight now in Gingerbread, but the home screen navigation still lags (though nowhere near as bad as earlier versions of Android). It's little things like that that really should have been polished out by now, and while they are clearly working on it, they still have a way to go [editline]5th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=chrishind10;32125625]Except not underclocked.[/QUOTE] Yeah how dare Apple preserve battery life on a mobile device

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;32122473] If you're looking for a dual-core netbook with an SSD, you can probably get one comparable to the Air for $500, and even that's pricey for a netbook, and that's still half the damn cost. If anything, the Air is the most overpriced of all the Apple products, when you actually compare it to the cost for other netbooks. It's absolutely insane, and nowhere NEAR competitively priced.[/QUOTE]Not true, if I want a netbook with similar specs to the Air the only thing that is even remotely comparable on all fronts (power, size, weight) is this [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131158]Samsung.[/url] Now you may say the Samsung is a better deal then the Air because of the $150 discount. However, chances are its going to have some bloatware on it meaning a Windows re-install is needed. Now this is something the everyday consumer would not know or want to do and would end up paying Best Buy $100 to do it for them. So in the end if you want a super thin netbook with power that rivals some laptops the MacBook Air is a very reasonable option.

[QUOTE=Political Gamer;32129052]Not true, if I want a netbook with similar specs to the Air the only thing that is even remotely comparable on all fronts (power, size, weight) is this [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131158]Samsung.[/url] Now you may say the Samsung is a better deal then the Air because of the $150 discount. However, chances are its going to have some bloatware on it meaning a Windows re-install is needed. Now this is something the everyday consumer would not know or want to do and would end up paying Best Buy $100 to do it for them. So in the end if you want a super thin netbook with power that rivals some laptops the MacBook Air is a very reasonable option.[/QUOTE] So you are suggesting Mac users use Macs because they don't know how to put a disk into a DVD drive, and press F1 and follow a set of very simple steps shown to them?

[QUOTE=chrishind10;32129326]So you are suggesting Mac users use Macs because they don't know how to put a disk into a DVD drive, and press F1 and follow a set of very simple steps shown to them?[/QUOTE] there are a lot of pc users who wouldn't be able to do that either you realize

There are lot of ignorant computer users all around, from macs to pc's. I have a friend who works as a support tech for computer company. According to him, there's even users that have pushed the cd-disk between the cd-drive and computer tower, so there was like 10 disks inside the computer, which was making a horrible racket. You also have people that think they have deleted the internet by deleting the desktop icon for Internet explorer :v:.

[QUOTE=chrishind10;32129326]So you are suggesting Mac users use Macs because they don't know how to put a disk into a DVD drive, and press F1 and follow a set of very simple steps shown to them?[/QUOTE]Thanks for reminding me of another strike against the Samsung, no CD drive like the Mac so if you wanted to re-install Windows and get rid of all the bloatware you need to get a external CD drive or learn how to put an iso on a flash drive. Now on the subject of the re-install itself you might want to give [url=http://billfernandez.com/bfd2/hobbies/apple/10_Lessons_Learned_at_Apple_v5.pdf]this a read.[/url] For the lazy people who don't feel like reading it explains one of the many potholes one can fall into during a Windows install. And while we are still on the subject of Windows installs when I got my new computer it took 4 times to install Windows right because of a number of problems. 1st install failed because it formatted my disks wrong and locked me out of installation so I had to burn a dban disk 2nd time I got to the desktop then started installing drivers and to my great joy one of the drivers shut down my computer in the middle windows installing updates. This lead to the computer bluescreening on startup. 3rd time messed up because re-install/repair failed to fix the blue screen 4th time worked after I dban'd my computer for the 3rd time and reinstalled windows So 12 hours wasted just to install a dam OS, do you think the average consumer would even know what dban is? Most people would have given up and went to Best Buy who would have charged them $100+ wiping any savings over the mac. Lastly I think it is worth mentioning that have installed Lion on about 14 computers now, all without any bugs or problems during or after the install.

This thread is getting off topic.

[QUOTE=Political Gamer;32129052]Not true, if I want a netbook with similar specs to the Air the only thing that is even remotely comparable on all fronts (power, size, weight) is this [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131158]Samsung.[/url] Now you may say the Samsung is a better deal then the Air because of the $150 discount. However, chances are its going to have some bloatware on it meaning a Windows re-install is needed. Now this is something the everyday consumer would not know or want to do and would end up paying Best Buy $100 to do it for them. So in the end if you want a super thin netbook with power that rivals some laptops the MacBook Air is a very reasonable option.[/QUOTE] Samsung bloatware isn't actually that bad compared to say, Dell. You can disable a lot of it through wizards provided by the program on first launch from the experience I had with mine. But there are obviously some applications (largely Norton and camera applicatons) that don't allow that. The normal home user is not going to give a single fuck about bloatware though, so I don't see why you are bringing that up. Macs must come with some applications that you may not want too, bundled by Apple. Which is technically bloatware. A heavy computing user or enthusiast would obviously want to format the Samsung laptop to remove the crap, but they probably wouldn't be considering a Macbook in the first place so it makes no difference to them.

It's technically bloatware, but the difference is Apple includes the software it thinks you might find useful. Bloatware on PC's is purely to make the computers cheaper (as the OEM will get a kickback from the software vendor for including the software on the PC). That and things like Garageband are actually nice applications, just niche. Most bloatware is generally awful. [editline]5th September 2011[/editline] Also on a Mac uninstalling an application is as simple as dragging it to the trash so even if you don't like the apps it's simple to get rid of (including "big" apps like Safari and iTunes) [editline]5th September 2011[/editline] Also why wouldn't a heavy computer user/enthusiast not consider a Macbook in the first place? It's a bit disingenuous to say they'd never contemplate a Mac. All but 2 of my lecturers at uni use Macs(mostly for the UNIX underpinnings coupled with a nice UI and hardware that can reliably sleep), 50% of my class (Computer Science) use Macs. I'd say computer enthusiast would be more likely to consider a Macbook, since they are more aware of the options available, and the respective pros and cons.

[QUOTE=Dr Egg;32133158]It's technically bloatware, but the difference is Apple includes the software it thinks you might find useful. Bloatware on PC's is purely to make the computers cheaper (as the OEM will get a kickback from the software vendor for including the software on the PC). That and things like Garageband are actually nice applications, just niche. Most bloatware is generally awful. [editline]5th September 2011[/editline] Also on a Mac uninstalling an application is as simple as dragging it to the trash so even if you don't like the apps it's simple to get rid of (including "big" apps like Safari and iTunes) [editline]5th September 2011[/editline] Also why wouldn't a heavy computer user/enthusiast not consider a Macbook in the first place? It's a bit disingenuous to say they'd never contemplate a Mac. All but 2 of my lecturers at uni use Macs(mostly for the UNIX underpinnings coupled with a nice UI and hardware that can reliably sleep), 50% of my class (Computer Science) use Macs. I'd say computer enthusiast would be more likely to consider a Macbook, since they are more aware of the options available, and the respective pros and cons.[/QUOTE] I totally understand that there are computing enthusiasts out there who will buy and prefer Macs for whatever reason. But the kind of people that will actually bother to reformat a laptop are the kind of people interested in the raw performance of something or getting the best out of what they bought. And I wouldn't say that they appear to be the kind of people who would consider Mac computers for the price/ performance. Which is why I don't think bringing up bloatware is a fair comparison when the normal user of a Mac won't reformat, much like the normal user of a Windows PC won't either. But seriously, fuck bloatware to high hell, Norton is the biggest offender as it takes so long to remove.

[QUOTE=Political Gamer;32129052]Not true, if I want a netbook with similar specs to the Air the only thing that is even remotely comparable on all fronts (power, size, weight) is this [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131158]Samsung.[/url] Now you may say the Samsung is a better deal then the Air because of the $150 discount. However, chances are its going to have some bloatware on it meaning a Windows re-install is needed. Now this is something the everyday consumer would not know or want to do and would end up paying Best Buy $100 to do it for them. So in the end if you want a super thin netbook with power that rivals some laptops the MacBook Air is a very reasonable option.[/QUOTE] That's a pretty bad argument. Bloatware is for the very most part crap, but it doesn't suddenly make the Windows installation go fucking nuts. I mean, come on.

everything i own is slowly not fucking working and needing to be replaced and so forth so im finna buy a god damn ipod, and a fucking macbook and not even fuck with repairs or maintenance.

I hate apple because they price things so damn much for a shiny case with an apple logo on it. When I can build a top of the line computer for a fraction of the price, and do the exact shit a mac can do. Then when a Mac user gets questioned, and you show him you can do the exact thing, he goes "but you can't do it as fast or as well" Wanna bet? The only apple product I actually care about is the iPod nano before they went to the touchscreen square.

[QUOTE=Slayth;32141184]I hate apple because they price things so damn much for a shiny case with an apple logo on it. When I can build a top of the line computer for a fraction of the price, and do the exact shit a mac can do. Then when a Mac user gets questioned, and you show him you can do the exact thing, he goes "but you can't do it as fast or as well" Wanna bet? The only apple product I actually care about is the iPod nano before they went to the touchscreen square.[/QUOTE] The fanatics piss me off. My econ teacher used a PC as an example for a inferior good and a Mac as an example of a Superior good. So what about my Water cooled i7 920@4GHz HD5850 6GB DDR3 Asus Xonar Essence Sound 128GB SSD custom build in a Corsair Obsidian 800D with a mechanical keyboard, G9x laser mouse, and HP LP2475 H-IPS panel monitor? Some tin can in their eyes I presume? If people would just back off and not try to 'convert' you (or belittle a non-Mac PC without knowing what some people can do on it, or why they use it) I wouldn't care or even notice Apple PC's. But all the snobby rich guys and all the narcissistic people all own Macs, and never shut up about them. tl;dr: Even "objective" news sites have admitted Apple products attract narcissistic people, so that's why people "hate" Apple.