PC Building Thread V6 - "running six RGB controller utilities at once" edition
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Idle temperatures obviously don't matter, but Ryzen's turbo boosting really does function better the cooler you keep it under load. The "below 80C is fine" common wisdom doesn't really apply anymore because you won't hit peak frequencies over 60C.
80 c is still fine, the performance benefit of keeping your CPU below 60 c is very small.
Like I said, only the max really matters. If your target is to keep it under 60C, you'll look for a cooler that can keep it below 60 at max load. Those are the situations where you actually need that extra performance, you won't care about how high your cpu can boost when it's spending 90% of its cycles idle.
I just tested it by purposefully throttling my fan curves. The difference between 60C and 80C is about 300-350 MHz on a full 12-thread load.
I also tested it and for some reason I got the same temps when settings my fan to 20% and 100%.
Can you test it with like cinebench or something.
Sure, I'll get back to you later in the day when I've had my coffee and woken up properly. I used Folding@Home for the earlier test and just kept an eye on the frequencies with CPUID HWMonitor. At 80C, I got around 3850-3900 MHz. At 60C, I got more like 4200. Not a very scientific test, to be sure. And it's also likely at least somewhat motherboard-dependent. Ryzen's behavior seems to have quirky, non-standardized differences on different boards.
They way I understand it is that the PBO boosts to the maximum frequency as long as the CPU is under tjmax. And then XFR adds 25-50 mhz depending on your temps. And that's the sort of behavior I'm seeing on my 2600.
I'm gonna try testing it myself.
This is only slightly true when using fully controlled OC where XFR and Turboboost don't have the chance to do anything. I say slightly because there is a reason hardcore overclockers use liquid nitrogen as opposed to something like, say, chilled water for world record OCs.
Hint: it is not because it's easier or cheaper, and it's not because the components being OCd have the ability to thermally saturate a chilled loop.
So, after a really lengthy discussion with one of my coworkers, I think I might have realized the biggest secret weapon Microsoft could build with Win10 on ARM... A theoretical "Surface Phone" running full-fat Windows 10.
Think about it. Snapdragon 855, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, 7.1in 1440p IPS display, and Win10 Pro; by default it'd run in a mode somewhere between the Win10Mo and tablet mode styles, but at any time, you can turn that off and use it like it's a little windows tablet, including regular PC applications like desktop browsers and legacy software, thanks to the surprisingly good X86 emulation for ARM that Microsoft has been working on.
Top all that off with a full speed type C charging port (maybe even two, on opposite ends of the device) letting you hook it up to a type C breakout with USB A, HDMI, anything else you could want, and just use it with whatever keyboard and mouse you have to turn it into an impromptu desktop. The last version of Windows Phone had continuum, which was similar in concept but very limited; poor performance, not able to run non-UWP stuff like Win10 on ARM can now, and unable to use a vast majority of peripherals, all of which would be totally non issues with this new approach and its pretty much 1:1 parity (aside from a small performance drop in X86 apps, which aside from games is barely noticeable to most people)
I think those use cases are too niche for it to be succesful.
Keep in mind that this drive has terrible sustained write speeds and pretty low write cycles. But it's a great drive for normal PC use and games.
I have this together in my cart on newegg ready to go when I feel the itch to build another PC out of my old Thermaltake View 31 with 2 blue Riing 140mm fans and RM100x PSU from Corsair.
MSI PERFORMANCE GAMING X470 GAMING PLUS AM4 AMD X470 SATA 6Gb/s ..
G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288
AMD RYZEN 5 2600X 6
Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD
Mushkin Enhanced Source 2.5" 250GB SATA III 3D TLC Internal Soli..
ASRock Phantom Gaming X Radeon RX 580 DirectX 12 RX580 8G OC Vid..
Any thoughts ? All this with some other things like TIM and SATA cables bring it to $889.54, so -$27 for those things is roughly the amount of all this.
Looks like your mobo is overkill if you're not gonna OC, and that GPU also has some thermal concerns. Also is there a reason for the SATA SSD? Was it just a drive you had around, or is there a reason you need an extra 250 gigs over SATA?
I like that you chose high speed RAM. Such an underrated part of a build, especially those of the Ryzen variety.
The SATA drive is for the OS, and because it was not terribly expensive. I also like to keep storage for gaming/work usage on separate drives
I recommend going with a GTX 1660. It performs a bit better and is only slightly more expensive, and it supports more modern features.
But can I slap an Asetek pump on it.
Yes
I think it depends on the block mount and the card.
I meant this as a rhetorical question because I keep doing it for shits and gigs. Also lol yeah that's why when it came to a 1660, I'm going with the Gigabyte Gaming OC version.
GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 1660 GAMING OC 6G Graphics Card, 3 x WINDFO..
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Not hardware or software related, but it's soon to be my new work space.
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Glad to see you have that box of lamiate open to aclimate, remember 48-72 hours to get the material to adjust to the humity of the room.
Shame you went for the thinnest stuff we sell, at 7mm, but I understand that's a pretty great pricepoint.
Just don't drop anything super heavy on it, that thin of a laminate will break rather than bend.
It's an open box from when I did the flooring in my living room 2 years ago, which will be inspected to see if they're still good now though they look good still. I've still got 10 unopened boxes.
Plus it's just a quick room remodel, I don't think there is any need for a moisture barrier, plus it's a concrete foundation. It's old laminate flooring on top of the concrete if you're wondering what it is exactly.
Those are some really nice dogs, thanks
So I'm 244 out of 460 people entered into that build competition with 35 votes. I'm legitimately surprised I'm even there at all.
I have an i4 4670, what advantage would i get for gaming if i upgraded to the hottest 4th gen i7. Like the 4790?
Marginal due to games now properly using multi-threading/threaded CPU's, 4 cores are going to bog down in newer games. Hell, after building an Intel and AMD PC, I'd say upgrade your motherboard and invest in an R5 1600/2600 or their X versions. I have no regrets building AMD, though when I went in I was skeptical because of how AMD has handled itself over the years.
Yeah those Ryzens are pretty good. My main reason into looking into upgrading is because i have a 2060 and using Afterburner i noticed my CPU being maxed out and might be causing frames to drop.
IMHO, people should be waiting for computex before buying a new CPU, since both AMD and Intel are going to be announcing things.
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