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Shit, trying to find replacement USB 3.0 to 20 pin cables is a bitch and a half, but I'm hoping the $10 I spent is on a good cable that works. The one that came with the Thermaltake V1 has a fucked up wire because the second USB input on the front panel doesn't work, but the first one does.
Got the new dual USB to 20 pin and... it's the same fucking issue? I'm honestly confused now.
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Yeah that was a big surprise.
Can anyone recommend a good 1TB NVMe drive? The Intel 660p is the cheapest out there right now, but I've heard rumblings about shifty speeds on long writes. Is it good enough? Since I've got two M.2 slots I'd probably get a 660p now, get rid of my SATA drives and pick up a nice Samsung NVMe in a few years.
The 660p completely shits the bed after about 200 gb of sustained fast writes. You'll realisticsly only run in to it when copying large files from another SSD. The inland drive also has this issue, but it doesn't become nearly as slow when running out of cache. But it's slower than the 660p before running out of cache. The thing you should be most concerned about with the 660p is its limited write cycles, 200TBW is about what you would expect from an average 500 gb drive. But it will still last a pretty long time in a lot of use-cases, like gaming.
As pricey as they are, I'd opt to get a Samsung m.2 NVME drive any day because having put two into separate systems, they're great fast game storage.
That's $240, I could literally get a 2TB from any other brand for that. I know the perf is fantasic, but it sounds a bit out of range for me. Are Crucial's NVMe offerings any good? I've bought lots of SATA SSDs from them before.
SATA3 is more than acceptable for games.
My motherboard accepta M.2 RAID anyhow, so I imagine I can try that if I ever get a second M.2.
I honestly wouldn't know, I've been eying a crucial 1TB NVME drive too but I don't know how it compares personally or through review.
For games I think it's a genuine waste, most videogame engines on PC just aren't bottlenecked that much by storage speed. For Windows, SWAP, browsers, and appdata garbage, I do think an NVMe drive is justified.
Tbh what isn't SATA3 acceptable for?
It's acceptable for everything. But I think NVMe for boot and program storage is definitely worth the price.
Are there any actual benchmarks for boot times? Only video I could fine on the quick shows there's basically no difference. Perhaps there's a slight advantage in starting programs, but we're really talking margins here. Not that I'm gonna tell you what to do with your money, but if you're on a budget, I'd probably be spending that dosh on pretty much anything else in that build first.
NVMe (Supposedly, haven't seen any hard numbers on this) can help a bit with start times on programs.
I'd never recommend an NVMe drive in a budget system, it's strictly a small quality of life improvement for a pricier machine.
Intel 660p is cheaper than most data drives though
Going from a slow sata Intel 535 to even a 4 year old 950 Pro 128gb which is also very slowed down from being choked of nand on top of being used with PCI-E 2.0, I found noticeable increases in performance. Boot times are improved enough that they're actually faster despite having about 8 seconds sucked up by DUET(UEFI bootloader since I don't even have that). Windows 10 takes about 3x longer to boot than it did at RTM on my machine, not that 3 seconds up to 10 seconds really matters but it's noticable since I will sometimes not see the spinning wheel before the lock screen now as I didn't when it first went RTM. Everything's a bit snappier really I see storage as an investment, storage will always be usable with newer systems where as older hardware will eventually no longer be worthwhile to use. You can always use adapter cards to add more m.2 drives too. If anyone's looking for a decent drive, Newegg has some SM961 1TB's for $149.99. It's an OEM 960 Pro drive with slightly different firmware and a green PCB although I question if Samsung would honor a warranty for it but I'm sure Newegg/seller would definitely replace it for like 30 days so I'd consider giving it a surface test or something before writing it off as good to go.
I'm not a fan of most benchmarks for windows boot-times, most use a very new clean Windows install, not one with programs that auto-update (Chrome, Steam, etc), also browser experience and "feel" isn't really easy to benchmark. Best way to describe it is like using a 80ms latency internet connection vs a 5ms latency connection, it adds up and becomes noticeable once you have to go back, the general responsiveness, of programs and Windows, when using NVMe.
Everyone's systems are going to be different too, I've had a Q6600 build that would boot from an HDD unbelievably fast but my X58 system could take just as long to post on a cold boot. Drivers and other stuff are going to effect things too, just removing a bunch of spinning disks from my system sped up getting into windows as well.
so 1650 ended up being worse than 570? glad i bought 570 then btw guys, i was wondering which one is better? 1 large hard drive or multiple small hard drives?
Depends what you want. A single big one is probably cheapest, and will be quietest. But with a few smaller ones, you can set up RAID arrays, which can have all kinds of advantages depending on configuration, from speed to reliability and drive failure tolerance.
for most users a single large hard drive and a smaller SSD is better. the only times you should be looking at anything else is if cost is a concern, in which case you should go with just a single large hard drive; or special use cases like raid arrays.
Is a used EVGA GTX 1080Ti for £480 a good deal? I've seen someone selling one at that price and they seem to still have a £600+ value online, but at the same time I could get a new RTX 2070 for that ssort of money and brand new, with less power consumption.
That's really good actually. When I was looking yesterday they were $600 minimum so $619 isn't too bad
Is that a better deal over this new 2070 for £455?
A 1080 ti generally performs much better than a 2070.
What sort of improvement are we talking? Like 10% or more? Not in for the ray tracing fad but just looking for longevity so an upgrade won't be needed for a few years.
The 1080 ti is about 20% faster. I wouldn't call raytracing a fad, but it's gonna take a while before it becomes common in games.
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