Anybody know where I could get this [url]http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,fullsize&pid=fc500rcabn[/url]
in the UK layout?
You can't. Leopolds are ANSI only.
[QUOTE=Chubbs;38477541]You can't. Leopolds are ANSI only.[/QUOTE]
Bugger
I'm using an american model M right now anyway, no big deal I'd just like my massive enter key and I want my pound sterling key back
Most mechanical are superior than membranes anyway. All of them are going to be good for gaming.
It all comes down to preference.
You can change the keyboard input settings on Windows with ease you just have to look it up on Google. That is what I did when I wanted to change the input settings from qwerty to dvorak.
[QUOTE=rsa1988;38480656]You can change the keyboard input settings on Windows with ease you just have to look it up on Google. That is what I did when I wanted to change the input settings from qwerty to dvorak.[/QUOTE]
Why would you use dvorak...?
[QUOTE=rsa1988;38480656]You can change the keyboard input settings on Windows with ease you just have to look it up on Google. That is what I did when I wanted to change the input settings from qwerty to dvorak.[/QUOTE]
Yes but when my keyboard is set to UK English, I don't have a / key anymore (US layout)
Makes using CMD impossible
[QUOTE=Zerokateo;38480890]Why would you use dvorak...?[/QUOTE]
It is objectively better, if you can figure out how to get around the QWERTY keyboards that make up the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38483225]It is objectively better, if you can figure out how to get around the QWERTY keyboards that make up the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
Can you type faster or is it just a better layout for your hands or what?
[QUOTE=Zerokateo;38483239]Can you type faster or is it just a better layout for your hands or what?[/QUOTE]
Supposedly both. Typing is split evenly between hands and the keys are more evenly distributed
to fit the English language. If it's more comfortable, you're going to naturally type faster.
[editline]16th November 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38483225]It is objectively better, if you can figure out how to get around the QWERTY keyboards that make up the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
Thankfully, most higher quality keyboards offer keycap layouts for DVORAK. It's just a matter of spending
the premium for them, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=KaLam1ty;38483372]Thankfully, most higher quality keyboards offer keycap layouts for DVORAK. It's just a matter of spending
the premium for them, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but that still leaves everything else in the world. I don't know about anyone else really, but I certainly am not going to be able to get away from qwerty boards at all.
Dvorak also has a number of problems because almost all games out there have default hotkeys for qwerty boards, and it turns into a disaster trying to remap things in some games. Hell, even basic hotkeys for things like word processing turn into a complete mess in a big hurry. A lot of programs use cluster of keys for shortcuts and dvorak scatters that all over the board.
Yeah there are a few problems though they do go away after you setup the game for the layout, games like Battlefield 3 will already be able to work with dvorak. Or you can set it up so that before you start a game you can switch between the layouts just using a combination of keys. dvorak has it's perks though that is something more of a geek kind of thing, I do type faster than I do with qwerty.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38483583] it turns into a disaster trying to remap things in some games. Hell, even basic hotkeys for things like word processing turn into a complete mess in a big hurry. A lot of programs use cluster of keys for shortcuts and dvorak scatters that all over the board.[/QUOTE]
Yes that's very true. It's honestly the biggest limiting factor for me. It's really too bad as I really would go for dvorak if it was more commonplace.
Apparently it's very easy to learn though. My coworker switched and said he got to a reasonable speed after 4 or so days.
It took me about a week when I was experimenting with it. I didn't get as fast as I was on qwerty, but I definitely felt like I could have if I had given myself more time. I went back to qwerty because I simply can't use anything else when I'm not at home, or on my laptop, and I have no guarantees about future job prospects and requirements there.
Somewhat unfortunate, because it is clearly better.
[QUOTE=rhx123;38475339]Ok, so I'm considering buying a mechanical.
I'm in the UK, and I don't want to be shipping anything.
I will be going to uni next year, so it needs to be nice to type on, but also I play games like TF2 and GMod, but I'm not a serious gamer or anything.
I have come down to Blue through reading, but I'm sure you guys know more about what switch would suit me than I do. I don't want any fancypants stuff, but I can't really justify spending a large amount of money, so £100 is my hard cash limit.
TLDR I know blues are good to type on but is casual TF2 doable on them?[/QUOTE]
Casual gaming is completely fine. The only games where you might run into trouble are games where you have to double tap/mash keys a lot. I can play Killing Floor just fine with blues, but I can imagine CoD and other really fast paced games being weird. The difference between the actuation point and the release point isn't really that big, so the click is the main issue in most games, just as an annoyance. I normally use headphones when I'm gaming, so I don't even hear the noise that well. That being said, I have another keyboard with browns that I normally use for gaming.
edit: I really should have gone to the next page before I replied.
Here's to hoping a somewhat shady deal for a Model M for $40 including shipping goes well.
$30, actually.
It's a parts # 1391401, post 1992, with ps/2, by the picture, guess I'll see Friday.
When/if I get it, how do I clean it? And can I get new tops for it? As in all replace the plastic on all the keys.
Sorry for the questions, I'm new to this god tier mechanical keyboard thing.
[QUOTE=Chubbs;38476088]Blues are going to be fine for games. I would suggest that you look at Browns too though. I would recommend getting a Filco from [url=http://www.keyboardco.com/]these guys[/url] if you can afford it. They're also based in the UK, so the shipping will be fine. Getting some key pullers (you need 2 to get off the spacebar) is also a good idea for cleaning it.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately that's £120 with VAT, which is over my budget.
[QUOTE=matte3560;38494844]Casual gaming is completely fine. The only games where you might run into trouble are games where you have to double tap/mash keys a lot. I can play Killing Floor just fine with blues, but I can imagine CoD and other really fast paced games being weird. The difference between the actuation point and the release point isn't really that big, so the click is the main issue in most games, just as an annoyance. I normally use headphones when I'm gaming, so I don't even hear the noise that well. That being said, I have another keyboard with browns that I normally use for gaming.
edit: I really should have gone to the next page before I replied.[/QUOTE]
As a person who rests his fingers on the keys, blues for gaming are terrible for me, I find myself clicking them accidentally a lot. Browns are fine, reds are great for me, black is tiring.
[QUOTE=SomeGuest;38511361]As a person who rests his fingers on the keys, blues for gaming are terrible for me, I find myself clicking them accidentally a lot. Browns are fine, reds are great for me, black is tiring.[/QUOTE]
Browns are softer than blues, so I don't see how you could have problems with blues and not browns.
[QUOTE=matte3560;38511906]Browns are softer than blues, so I don't see how you could have problems with blues and not browns.[/QUOTE]
Because he has girly fingers?
[QUOTE=Chubbs;38514380]Because he has girly fingers?[/QUOTE]
I'm not really sure what you mean by that, but blues, browns and reds all have the same spring. The difference is the tactile point. The red switch has none obviously, and is the softest. Browns have a light tactile point, and blues have a harder tactile point.
It makes no sense that you accidentally press blues down, they are the hardest type of key to accidentally press.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;38518134]It makes no sense that you accidentally press blues down, they are the hardest type of key to accidentally press.[/QUOTE]
When I rest my fingers on the keys the weight of my fingers actuates the entire key at once because of the sensitive top and then quick actuation as opposed to reds which are linear and don't have such a problem since it takes more effort to force them down part way until it initiates a press. With reds you can have your fingers sitting on the keys and even if they press down lightly it's not a problem, opposite is said of blues since once you put enough weight on the key the entire thing collapses instantly.
Are your fingers made of lead?
It's not the bumping accidentally, everyone does that.
It's the fact that he rests his fingers on keys and ends up pressing them, just seems weird to me.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;38520213]It's not the bumping accidentally, everyone does that.
It's the fact that he rests his fingers on keys and ends up pressing them, just seems weird to me.[/QUOTE]
Gotta agree with you. When I press keys "accidentally", it's usually because my brain is too busy thinking about my fingers not pushing down and I end up pushing down over time.. I've never actuated a key just resting my fingers on it.
[QUOTE=Justice;38520298]Don't get an NEC APC-H412 then. You can literally brush up against a key and it'll actuate before it even clicks.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guzOG8njkUw[/url]
Solid keyboard, though, aside from that!
EDIT: ah what the hell (bear in mind this thing hasn't been cleaned out in years so excuse the terrible pictures, my father used this thing for WordStar on DOS back in the 80s):
[img]http://i.imgur.com/zDHrq.jpg[/img]
The key "resistance" feels like a buckling spring almost, but the switches actually actuate before you even fully press down on them, so you can literally just tap on them to type.[/QUOTE]
Man I haven't seen one of those in a while.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;38520213]It's not the bumping accidentally, everyone does that.
It's the fact that he rests his fingers on keys and ends up pressing them, just seems weird to me.[/QUOTE]
Well I tend to distribute the weight of my hand through my fingertips, it just so happens that sometimes I put too much weight on one finger than the other and then woops hit the "A" key accidentally, strafe left, fall off bridge in game. Maybe I have just gotten too used to the reds, I do like the sound/feel of the blues for typing but gaming is a little iffy.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;38520071]Are your fingers made of lead?[/QUOTE]
Fingers weigh about 100g according to my Googling. Since cherry blues actuate at 45g, if you aren't accidentally pushing keys down you aren't actually resting your fingers on your keys.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;38527055]Fingers weigh about 100g according to my Googling. Since cherry blues actuate at 45g, if you aren't accidentally pushing keys down you aren't actually resting your fingers on your keys.[/QUOTE]
It says in the OP that reds are the ones with 45g actuation force, and blues have 60-70g...
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