I use asd / kl; and type with mostly 3 fingers on each hand. I only type fast because I had to in order to not die playing CS. My girlfriend uses CAPS LOCK rather than shift and types incredibly fast, 120wpm, on a dell quietkey membrane keyboard. Stop trying to make these silly changes to the way you type, there isn't going to be a noticeable increase. The only reason to do it is if you're going for a world record or something.
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Basically, you'll be better if you practice qwerty for the same amount of time rather than if you try and learn an entirely new way of typing unless you are incredibly committed for whatever reason.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39615004]I use asd / kl; and type with mostly 3 fingers on each hand. I only type fast because I had to in order to not die playing CS. My girlfriend uses CAPS LOCK rather than shift and types incredibly fast, 120wpm, on a dell quietkey membrane keyboard. Stop trying to make these silly changes to the way you type, there isn't going to be a noticeable increase. The only reason to do it is if you're going for a world record or something.
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Basically, you'll be better if you practice qwerty for the same amount of time rather than if you try and learn an entirely new way of typing unless you are incredibly committed for whatever reason.[/QUOTE]
I'm not switching just because of speed it's more about efficiency, and I've done enough research on it to know that I want to make a switch. These layouts are meant for 'ergonomics'
btw, I've been typing the same speed for years...
Even then you're better off learning proper QWERTY homerow and getting a really good ergonomic keyboard.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39616256]Even then you're better off learning proper QWERTY homerow and getting a really good ergonomic keyboard.[/QUOTE]
Why do you keep saying I MUST stay with the qwerty layout? I already type the proper way...
Because learning how to use DVORAK isn't going to be useful at all when 99.99% of all the other keyboards in the world.
[QUOTE=Banned?;39616414]Because learning how to use DVORAK isn't going to be useful at all when 99.99% of all the other keyboards in the world.[/QUOTE]
I'm learning colemak not dvorak, I'd still be proficient with qwerty if I need to use it, colemak is even less popular than dvorak seeing as it was invented in 2006 while dvorak in the 1930s.
I'm willing to put the effort in, for 'experimental' value also for fun...
colemak uses 2.2x less finger travel, that's what interests me
but this discussion isn't really relevant to mechanical keyboards, I'm planning on getting the quickfire rapid (blue switch) because it's $65 compared to the brown which is $80 and compared to most other mechanical keyboards it's far less expensive (ps i'm poor)
The Quickfire keyboards are great. Super easy to customize too if you really want to.
or if you don't want tactile switches you could buy my Pro with reds for $60 in a couple weeks
I thought QWERTY was designed for typewriters to slow down the typists because they'd be too quick and the typewriter hammers would hit each other
[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;39618347]I thought QWERTY was designed for typewriters to slow down the typists because they'd be too quick and the typewriter hammers would hit each other[/QUOTE]
It wasn't meant to slow down the typist it was meant for the typewriter not to jam by spacing the characters around 'randomly'
Since people can type extremely fast with qwerty it's not really an issue, but the newer layouts 'feel better' to type on and less fatiguing
[QUOTE=Sr.;39616471]I'm learning colemak not dvorak, I'd still be proficient with qwerty if I need to use it, colemak is even less popular than dvorak seeing as it was invented in 2006 while dvorak in the 1930s.
I'm willing to put the effort in, for 'experimental' value also for fun...
colemak uses 2.2x less finger travel, that's what interests me
but this discussion isn't really relevant to mechanical keyboards, I'm planning on getting the quickfire rapid (blue switch) because it's $65 compared to the brown which is $80 and compared to most other mechanical keyboards it's far less expensive (ps i'm poor)[/QUOTE]
I couldn't bring myself to buy a keyboard without a number pad.
[QUOTE=loophole;39624467]I couldn't bring myself to buy a keyboard without a number pad.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, a tenkeyless board would fit me perfectly, I hate having my keyboard offset 10cm to the left all because of a bunch of useless keys.
[QUOTE=loophole;39624467]I couldn't bring myself to buy a keyboard without a number pad.[/QUOTE]
Me neither, I use it so much. I just haven't got it in my fingers to use the numerical row.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;39624562]Me neither, I use it so much. I just haven't got it in my fingers to use the numerical row.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the number pad is worth paying $50-65 more...
[QUOTE=Sr.;39624796]I don't think the number pad is worth paying $50-65 more...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;39617080]or if you don't want tactile switches you could buy my Pro with reds for $60 in a couple weeks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=loophole;39624879][/QUOTE]
I want a typing keyboard not a gaming keyboard, I know the quick fire is supposed to be a gaming keyboard but I've read red keys are not that nice for typing compared to brown/blue.
[B]Edit day later[/B] to clear this up: What I meant was I wanted a typing keyboard (and the quickfire rapid is marketed as a GAMING KEYBOARD) I wanted a brown or blue switch mech instead of a switch better used for 'gaming' such as the black or red...
To you dumbers and xers
there's like no difference, if your first mechanical board has red switches then you won't even notice and it's still 1000x better than typing with rubber dome switches.
[QUOTE=loophole;39624467]I couldn't bring myself to buy a keyboard without a number pad.[/QUOTE]
I rated you agree, but I still don't miss it that much on my HHKB. I don't think I would ever buy a tenkeyless keyboard though.
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[QUOTE=Sr.;39625016]I want a typing keyboard not a gaming keyboard, I know the quick fire is supposed to be a gaming keyboard but I've read red keys are not that nice for typing compared to brown/blue.[/QUOTE]
The QuickFire isn't a gaming keyboard, it's just a keyboard. It doesn't come with any of the silly gaming bling. Just because it's sold by Cooler Master doesn't mean you should write it off, they're very common and for good reason: they're not crap.
Whether Reds are good for typing or not comes down to opinion.
[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;39625045]there's like no difference, if your first mechanical board has red switches then you won't even notice and it's still 1000x better than typing with rubber dome switches.[/QUOTE]
well $60 for the red sounds like a good deal but I can get the blues atm for $65 new (though I bet they will jump in price before I'm able to buy it >_>")
but I'm sort of interested in getting the red
[editline]17th February 2013[/editline]
Also something I've read about, with browns and blues its easier not to bottom out on compared to reds, probably doesn't really matter but is it easy for you not to 'bottom out' on the red keys?
Of course it doesn't REALLY MATTER AT ALL because I've been using membrane keyboards forever and ever.
Edit #2: I have another question for you, I looked in the hardware trading thread and you said that you didn't like the keyboard because of the back light, I saw in a review that you can disable the lights, did you not know this or is this not a feature?
Edit #3 >_>": [quote] Red Switches: They are bordering on extinction as a result of a high rate of typographical errors.[/quote]
Has this been a problem for you?
[QUOTE=Sr.;39626295]well $60 for the red sounds like a good deal but I can get the blues atm for $65 new (though I bet they will jump in price before I'm able to buy it >_>")[/QUOTE]
Actually, if you can get a QFR Blue that cheap then do it.
[QUOTE=Sr.;39626295]Has this been a problem for you?[/QUOTE]
This is totally dependent on the person preference. Some people like Reds, some people don't, and the main reason is because they're so light. This can cause accidental key presses if you're not paying attention, which is why I don't really like light keys. I have a tendency to drag my fingers across the keyboard while typing.
Which is kinda odd because my HHKB is weighted at 45g but the keys are really stiff until you actually want to press one. I don't know how to explain it. Topre switches are amazing.
Fuck it, just buy a Realforce 104.
[QUOTE=Banned?;39628602]Fuck it, just buy a Realforce 104.[/QUOTE]
If only it were that simple.
[QUOTE=Sr.;39626295]well $60 for the red sounds like a good deal but I can get the blues atm for $65 new (though I bet they will jump in price before I'm able to buy it >_>")
but I'm sort of interested in getting the red
[editline]17th February 2013[/editline]
Also something I've read about, with browns and blues its easier not to bottom out on compared to reds, probably doesn't really matter but is it easy for you not to 'bottom out' on the red keys?
Of course it doesn't REALLY MATTER AT ALL because I've been using membrane keyboards forever and ever.
Edit #2: I have another question for you, I looked in the hardware trading thread and you said that you didn't like the keyboard because of the back light, I saw in a review that you can disable the lights, did you not know this or is this not a feature?
Edit #3 >_>":
Has this been a problem for you?[/QUOTE]
If I try hard enough I can type without bottoming out but it'll kill your WPM. I know you can turn the lights off. The backlight bothers me because it's only a cluster, not the full keyboard, so when I game at night I either have to have a lamp on next to me or lean over my keyboard like a hunchback if I need to type. The only typo's I make are because I accidentally hit one key before another but you can do that on any switch type, it's not like it's a problem specific to red switches.
[QUOTE=loophole;39624467]I couldn't bring myself to buy a keyboard without a number pad.[/QUOTE]
filco make a numpad with brown switches, considering getting one but they seem a bit expensive
[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;39625045]there's like no difference, if your first mechanical board has red switches then you won't even notice and it's still 1000x better than typing with rubber dome switches.[/QUOTE]
You're deluding yourself in this case, typing on blacks and reds is about the same as a good rubber dome (eg G15) overall (disadvantages such as ease of hitting two keys at once outweigh the advantages)
There's no questioning the improvement for gaming though, which more than makes up for the typing experience
yeah but a G15 is going to feel like you're fingering a gummy bear after a good year or two of constant abuse, same with any other rubber dome.
[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;39630138]You're deluding yourself in this case, typing on blacks and reds is about the same as a good rubber dome (eg G15) overall (disadvantages such as ease of hitting two keys at once outweigh the advantages)
There's no questioning the improvement for gaming though, which more than makes up for the typing experience[/QUOTE]
Eh I wouldn't say it's the same. Rubber domes have that little bubble that just pops when you press the key. Reds are just smooth all the way down.
I have been typing on reds for a few days now and I've had no problem typing. First half hour or so I got a lot of double hits (heello and stuff like that). But now I got used to the sensitivity and it types way better then my rubber board. I don't expect a big speed increase but the keyboard is so much better build and will last at least twice as long, so its worth twice the price of a normal keyboard. I personally prefer the linear feel of reds (only tried out reds and blues).
[URL="http://www.cmstorm.com/en/products/keyboards/quickfiretk/"]quickfire TK red[/URL]
[QUOTE=SomeGuest;39631753]Eh I wouldn't say it's the same. Rubber domes have that little bubble that just pops when you press the key. Reds are just smooth all the way down.[/QUOTE]
keyword: overall
As in about equal once you weigh up the pros and cons, not saying they are the same experience at all
[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;39630292]yeah but a G15 is going to feel like you're fingering a gummy bear after a good year or two of constant abuse, same with any other rubber dome.[/QUOTE]
The feel of a worn out g15 key is actually quite interesting, even softer than a red but still very much responsive
[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;39630292]yeah but a G15 is going to feel like you're fingering a gummy bear after a good year or two of constant abuse, same with any other rubber dome.[/QUOTE]
I have been using mine for a year or two, and it actually still feels nice. You can hardly tell the difference between the most used keys and something like F9.
Browns or Reds or Blues for gaming and a little typing, gogogogogoogogoggogogo
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